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When "scientists" play politics..who funds the IHME again?

DoogieMcDoogersonDoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,495
134,475 deaths now forecasted because google and facebook say so and the states are opening up despite the IHME's advice. Oh and our model sucks so we're going to do a 2.0 and explain it using a bunch of scientific shit like "meta-regression Bayesian regularized trimmed model (MR-BRT)"

I like to say it's a great predictive model that changes every week.

"Scientists credited the surge in part to rising mobility in most U.S. states as well as the easing of social distancing measures expected in 31 states by May 11.

“In each state, the evolution of the epidemic depends on the balance between relaxed social distancing, increasing temperature, and rising rates of testing and contact tracing,” Murray said. “We expect that the epidemic in many states will now extend through the summer.”


"Based on our updated model and latest available data, a projected 134,475 cumulative COVID-19 deaths (estimate range of 95,092 to 242,890) could occur in the US through August. These projections are considerably higher than previous estimates, representing the combined effects of death model updates and formally incorporating the effect of changes in mobility and social distancing policies into transmission dynamics."


http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates

Who funds the IHME?
IHME receives core grant funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation[52] and the state of Washington. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); Inter-American Development Bank; Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute; Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Ministry of Health; Medtronic Philanthropy; and the National Institute on Aging have also contributed funding through project grants and contracts.




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  • DoogieMcDoogersonDoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,495
    They really have their shit dialed in. This model is shit more than 2-3 days out. Of course, their up-forecasting of deaths works against the conservative leaders plans to open stuff up.

    Nice range of uncertainty for California:


    Compared to Washington:


    They are dialed in for Texas:


    What the hell, why not - The US: ( only an order of magnitude range of possible results )

  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,590
    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,673 Standard Supporter
    Stay under your bed counselor. No one is making you leave your house. How much more in taxes are you voluntarily going to pay this year to make up for the shortfall? Oh, that's right. You don't do voluntarily. You make your strong moral decisions at the threat of government gun point.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,068
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,590
    edited May 2020

    Stay under your bed counselor. No one is making you leave your house. How much more in taxes are you voluntarily going to pay this year to make up for the shortfall? Oh, that's right. You don't do voluntarily. You make your strong moral decisions at the threat of government gun point.

    There’s no doubt I’ll actually be paying less in taxes this year, Gasbag. We’re in a recession and I’m in the private sector. And taxes have never been a moral issue with me. I’ve been reminding you of that for about 20 years.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter
    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited May 2020
    Yes, CDC says total deaths are 57k. Covid deaths are 38k

    Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020.*

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


    Again, I ask, why do you lie when the numbers are so easily attainable?
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,177 Standard Supporter
    doogie said:

    Yes, CDC says total deaths are 57k. Covid deaths are 38k

    Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020.*

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


    Again, I ask, why do you lie when the numbers are so easily attainable?

    Because that is what he does. Its the only way he can FEEL GOOD when he has no facts.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    doogie said:

    Yes, CDC says total deaths are 57k. Covid deaths are 38k

    Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020.*

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


    Again, I ask, why do you lie when the numbers are so easily attainable?

    Hell it's even in the title...as explained the NCHS statistics are based on death certs hence why they lag by multiple weeks and no one relies on them in real time. Has reading always been this hard for you?

    Cases in the U.S.
    Last updated on May 4, 2020

    TOTAL CASES
    1,152,372
    29,763 New Cases*

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,537 Founders Club
    Scotty working hard for China every day
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Official Covid deaths vs Covid “related” deaths.

    Got it
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Why does Everyone say “Covid is NOT flu”

    “ Covid is Not pneumonia”

    Yet here we see some CDC bureaucratic dolt deliberately sensationalizing deaths?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886
    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 21,590
    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    More grist for your conspiracy mill: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/a-mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-even-more-contagious-than-the-original-study-says/ar-BB13CHNP?ocid=spartandhp
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
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