Just who are all these COVID victims?

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

I know two people who lost family.

Fake news has some profiles:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/coronavirus-deaths-illinois-death-toll/6066405/

Nobody ever died before

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

I know two people who lost family.

Fake news has some profiles:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/coronavirus-deaths-illinois-death-toll/6066405/

Nobody ever died before

Good point. No one lives forever. Health care is an unnecessary and pointless luxury.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

People get sick and die

Even with Democrat presidents

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

I know two people who lost family.

Fake news has some profiles:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/coronavirus-deaths-illinois-death-toll/6066405/

Nobody ever died before

Good point. No one lives forever. Health care is an unnecessary and pointless luxury.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

People get sick and die

Even with Democrat presidents

Don’t play coy. Obviously the death of people with less than perfect health is no big deal. I’m agreeing with you.

So tell me all the times we fucked the economy for the flu

People die. All the time

WestlinnDuck said:

Geezus counselor – this isn’t the Spanish Flu. Population of the US in 1918 was 103 million. Population today is 330 million. So, more than three times the population would equate roughly to the 2.2 million fake news dead Americans that we have now “saved”. Thanks Trump. And it didn’t just pick on old people with underlying medical conditions. I had two great uncles who died from the Spanish Flu after returning from World War I who were in their early 20s. When you need to lie to make your point, maybe you don’t have a point. Keep rooting for the away team.



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html



The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.



Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic. While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

salemcoog said:

HHusky said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Geezus counselor – this isn’t the Spanish Flu. Population of the US in 1918 was 103 million. Population today is 330 million. So, more than three times the population would equate roughly to the 2.2 million fake news dead Americans that we have now “saved”. Thanks Trump. And it didn’t just pick on old people with underlying medical conditions. I had two great uncles who died from the Spanish Flu after returning from World War I who were in their early 20s. When you need to lie to make your point, maybe you don’t have a point. Keep rooting for the away team.



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html



The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.



Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic. While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

You are right that to equal Spanish Flu percentages we would have to experience 1.8 to 2 million deaths. We’ve blown straight through your 20,000 figure and are over 60,000 today, even with our uneven response that you find much too restrictive. My 100,000 dead by year end looks incredibly optimistic at this point. Meanwhile you want to open things back up. Is anything short of Spanish Flu numbers a win in your mind?

Fun fact, Because we know it's all about minimizing death for you right?? yeah right. Anyway, since the lockdowns of over a month ago 15-20,000 less Americans are dying each week than last year or any other in the last 10 years, So considering that, there are 25,000 more people alive in our country that wouldn't be under coronarule.

We need to open the country back up so that we can kill off those 25,000 and get us back to square.

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

salemcoog said:

HHusky said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Geezus counselor – this isn’t the Spanish Flu. Population of the US in 1918 was 103 million. Population today is 330 million. So, more than three times the population would equate roughly to the 2.2 million fake news dead Americans that we have now “saved”. Thanks Trump. And it didn’t just pick on old people with underlying medical conditions. I had two great uncles who died from the Spanish Flu after returning from World War I who were in their early 20s. When you need to lie to make your point, maybe you don’t have a point. Keep rooting for the away team.



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html



The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.



Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic. While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

You are right that to equal Spanish Flu percentages we would have to experience 1.8 to 2 million deaths. We’ve blown straight through your 20,000 figure and are over 60,000 today, even with our uneven response that you find much too restrictive. My 100,000 dead by year end looks incredibly optimistic at this point. Meanwhile you want to open things back up. Is anything short of Spanish Flu numbers a win in your mind?

Fun fact, Because we know it's all about minimizing death for you right?? yeah right. Anyway, since the lockdowns of over a month ago 15-20,000 less Americans are dying each week than last year or any other in the last 10 years, So considering that, there are 25,000 more people alive in our country that wouldn't be under coronarule.

We need to open the country back up so that we can kill off those 25,000 and get us back to square.

Personally, I think it's progress that you've realized that the elderly are expendable.

Other than your experience in 1918 when have we shut down the country to save the elderly who died anyway?

Logic isn't your strong suit

As my young friends like to point out the elderly have always treated youth as expendable in wars and wars

I don't need your fucking protection