Basically this is 2012 all over again

sonics1993 said:

The instate/FSP recruits are basically turned off by UW right now and want to go out of state. Only recruits I see is landing is Owens and maybe Tinae but we are basically fucked when it comes to instate recruiting. Big reason why Caden got his offer was to try to turn that around which is why I didn’t agree with the offer. Other than JT and Emeka, all the instate recruits are replaceable and if they want to go elsewhere then let them.

Definitely agree on this. There are better guys out there but you have to land them

sonics1993 said:

The instate/FSP recruits are basically turned off by UW right now and want to go out of state. Only recruits I see is landing is Owens and maybe Tinae but we are basically fucked when it comes to instate recruiting. Big reason why Caden got his offer was to try to turn that around which is why I didn’t agree with the offer. Other than JT and Emeka, all the instate recruits are replaceable and if they want to go elsewhere then let them.

Why do you think that is? Even with a down year last season, I thought most new coaches tend to recruit well initially because they can pitch the new blood angle. Look at what Taggart and Cristobal did coming off of 4-8 and 7-6 seasons. Is this an indictment on Jimmy or the poor branding for the UW program?

insinceredawg said:

sonics1993 said:

The instate/FSP recruits are basically turned off by UW right now and want to go out of state. Only recruits I see is landing is Owens and maybe Tinae but we are basically fucked when it comes to instate recruiting. Big reason why Caden got his offer was to try to turn that around which is why I didn’t agree with the offer. Other than JT and Emeka, all the instate recruits are replaceable and if they want to go elsewhere then let them.

Why do you think that is? Even with a down year last season, I thought most new coaches tend to recruit well initially because they can pitch the new blood angle. Look at what Taggart and Cristobal did coming off of 4-8 and 7-6 seasons. Is this an indictment on Jimmy or the poor branding for the UW program?

Oregon is basically the 2nd biggest brand in the West, after USC. Regardless of who is coach. Pete was the brand at UW.

I will say that the local angle that gets played from time to time whether football or basketball of feeling jaded if they aren't told that they are special first, second, third, all the way to last is annoying and borders on entitlement.

When I hear the "I don't feel as wanted" angle what I'm really hearing is "I'm looking for a reason to leave and blaming the coaches is right up at the top of the list."

Tequilla said:

I will say that the local angle that gets played from time to time whether football or basketball of feeling jaded if they aren't told that they are special first, second, third, all the way to last is annoying and borders on entitlement.

When I hear the "I don't feel as wanted" angle what I'm really hearing is "I'm looking for a reason to leave and blaming the coaches is right up at the top of the list."

Whether we like it or not I think thats the culture of recruits these days. Especially the in-state ones. What recruit doesn't want to be pampered and told they are the best? UW was not good enough last year to think they could big dick local recruits. One unofficial junior day won't get these kids to commit. You have to outwork all the other recruiters that come after them. If you offered all the in state kids as early as they did why wouldn't you recruit your ass off to get some of these kids in early? Theoretically JTT and Emeka were always going to take their time. Should have had Julien, Jabez and Junior wrapped up or close by this time. If you had gotten some of the other in-state guys early you could have had Julien Simon who is best friends with JTT whispering in his ear the entire time. Same goes with the WR's from Kennedy.

This feels eerily similar to USC's recruiting last year. They didn't take recruiting seriously and lost out on a bunch of top instate talent until the AD cleared the decks and hired young hungry recruiters.

In the last few UW videos/interviews you can read/hear the coaches saying the players on the team should not be viewing this down time as vacation or what not. Can we say the same about the coaches and administration at UW? Im not going to pretend I know whats going on in the background at UW right now but its seems like they are fighting an uphill battle and being more reactive and proactive. The marketing around twitter and instagram didn't pick up until the fans started complaining.

Also I think sonics is right when referring to Pete as the best recruiter. He covered alot of holes on this staff. Without his brand, Lake is having to learn this the hard way. I think Coach K should be the only coach on staff that gets a pass on his recruiting acumen. Everyone else that can't recruit should be door ass out!

Black sark ?

If they’re not connecting locally. Are they connecting to our of state kids?

GreenRiverGatorz said:

So we're just ignoring our next 4th round messiah, Sam Huard?

Yeah, but still.

I blame Petersen. Everything was in his grasp, all time elite homestate classes, and he let Cristobal kick him in the nuts and he fled for the hills. Fucking coward. Leave the state.

Tequilla said:

FremontTroll said:

Tequilla said:

I will say that the local angle that gets played from time to time whether football or basketball of feeling jaded if they aren't told that they are special first, second, third, all the way to last is annoying and borders on entitlement.

When I hear the "I don't feel as wanted" angle what I'm really hearing is "I'm looking for a reason to leave and blaming the coaches is right up at the top of the list."

Tequilla always blames the kids.

Couldn't be more wrong

You think a kid in Alabama or Louisiana gets bent out of shape if they don't initially receive an offer from Alabama or LSU? You think they sit there and say "oh, they don't care about the local kids?"

If you want to be a national program, then you are obligated to try to get the best recruiting class that you can. For local guys that are top level recruits, we should be on those guys immediately and made huge priorities.

But Tier B local guys, it's a delicate line. Take them too early and you're looking at potentially not bringing in the class that you think you can get. If you go after them too early you miss out on top guys and likely don't have the roster that you need to beat the blue bloods. Miss on the blue chip recruits and piss off the Tier B local guys and then you are fucked.

Recruiting is a business ... and it's true on both edges of the equation.

who are you categorizing as Tier B's in this years in state class? Everyone outside JTT and Emeka?

Tequilla said:

UDubHusky23 said:

Tequilla said:

FremontTroll said:

Tequilla said:

I will say that the local angle that gets played from time to time whether football or basketball of feeling jaded if they aren't told that they are special first, second, third, all the way to last is annoying and borders on entitlement.

When I hear the "I don't feel as wanted" angle what I'm really hearing is "I'm looking for a reason to leave and blaming the coaches is right up at the top of the list."

Tequilla always blames the kids.

Couldn't be more wrong

You think a kid in Alabama or Louisiana gets bent out of shape if they don't initially receive an offer from Alabama or LSU? You think they sit there and say "oh, they don't care about the local kids?"

If you want to be a national program, then you are obligated to try to get the best recruiting class that you can. For local guys that are top level recruits, we should be on those guys immediately and made huge priorities.

But Tier B local guys, it's a delicate line. Take them too early and you're looking at potentially not bringing in the class that you think you can get. If you go after them too early you miss out on top guys and likely don't have the roster that you need to beat the blue bloods. Miss on the blue chip recruits and piss off the Tier B local guys and then you are fucked.

Recruiting is a business ... and it's true on both edges of the equation.

who are you categorizing as Tier B's in this years in state class? Everyone outside JTT and Emeka?

How many WRs are we expecting to take this year?

When your top targets are Egbuka and Franklin ... you're kind of in a holding pattern on how many committable offers you have outstanding until it's clear that they are going elsewhere

WR is interesting because they were in the running for the two 5 stars? But what about other positions? Just speaking in the case of Julien Simon even if he's a Tier B, do you trust that Gregory can get somebody better? Probably not so I don't think your Tier system applies for all positions. Plus Julien is also an instate kid who's best friends with JTT. Why not sell out to get him in early? We not getting Calvert or anyone else higher rated.

Tequilla said:

UDubHusky23 said:

Tequilla said:

UDubHusky23 said:

Tequilla said:

FremontTroll said:

Tequilla said:

I will say that the local angle that gets played from time to time whether football or basketball of feeling jaded if they aren't told that they are special first, second, third, all the way to last is annoying and borders on entitlement.

When I hear the "I don't feel as wanted" angle what I'm really hearing is "I'm looking for a reason to leave and blaming the coaches is right up at the top of the list."

Tequilla always blames the kids.

Couldn't be more wrong

You think a kid in Alabama or Louisiana gets bent out of shape if they don't initially receive an offer from Alabama or LSU? You think they sit there and say "oh, they don't care about the local kids?"

If you want to be a national program, then you are obligated to try to get the best recruiting class that you can. For local guys that are top level recruits, we should be on those guys immediately and made huge priorities.

But Tier B local guys, it's a delicate line. Take them too early and you're looking at potentially not bringing in the class that you think you can get. If you go after them too early you miss out on top guys and likely don't have the roster that you need to beat the blue bloods. Miss on the blue chip recruits and piss off the Tier B local guys and then you are fucked.

Recruiting is a business ... and it's true on both edges of the equation.

who are you categorizing as Tier B's in this years in state class? Everyone outside JTT and Emeka?

How many WRs are we expecting to take this year?

When your top targets are Egbuka and Franklin ... you're kind of in a holding pattern on how many committable offers you have outstanding until it's clear that they are going elsewhere

WR is interesting because they were in the running for the two 5 stars? But what about other positions? Just speaking in the case of Julien Simon even if he's a Tier B, do you trust that Gregory can get somebody better? Probably not so I don't think your Tier system applies for all positions. Plus Julien is also an instate kid who's best friends with JTT. Why not sell out to get him in early? We not getting Calvert or anyone else higher rated.

I don't disagree with you at all

I understand some of the feelings on Simon perhaps being a bit of a tweener without a known position, but he's someone that is pretty easy to lock up as an in-state guy for the reasons you mentioned. Regardless of how much the recruiting rankings matter vs being fluff, it plays right into the narrative of "not caring" when you have a guy ranked as highly as Simon seemingly get passed over a bit.

Your whole point on Gregory is fair ... but missing the point. You don't dumb down what your expectations are to cover for someone that can't do what's expected. You replace the person that can't do what is expected with someone that can.

Oh no doubt! I wanted KB and Gregory gone as well. Whether it was upper campus or the AD saying we needed to keep them or what not will most likely set us back if we fail this recruiting cycle.

Even if Lake was able to replace both of them does he had the connections to hire better? His hires in Donovan, Cato and Terrence Brown are very underwhelming

RatherBeBrewing said:

As an FYI, shit isn’t too sunny at Oregon for the moment.

* Lost the spring game, which is where they get a lot of unofficials and have the commits recruit for them. They were expecting 40k for the game, to show recruits that they care more than anyone else in the conference.

* Donte Williams and that guy from ASU are negatively recruiting hard. Staff thinks USC is doing some tampering and shady shit, but what else is new for USC.

* Not having visits now is negating the big advantage of the facilities.

* The new WR coach/recruiting stud hasn’t had a chance to get going.

USC has been benefiting from this virus as much as anyone.

HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA! Oh man, you can't make this stuff up! Let me break out my tiny violin.

insinceredawg said:

So if it's 2012 again, does that mean we'll purge half of the staff, bring in a bunch of recruiters, and land Korey Foreman?

It means we’ll have a bunch of 3 stars and then a couple of 4 stars and flip an instate guy at the last moment and then it’ll start a run of a ass kicking by Clemson in the cfp semi then a rose bowl then a Las Vegas bowl loss as jimmy no Ballz looses passion for coaching and surprisingly retires out of no where.