Social distancing and Shelter in place worked?
Has the Trump and Upper political figures orders to shelter in place and social distancing caused LESS COVID cases and deaths worked or have been working? or is this all a fallacy? If not implemented, are the results in this time frame the same as now, regardless?
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and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed. -
So their strategy worked?Pitchfork51 said:fewer
and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed.
There would have been more deaths and problems if these mandates have not have been implemented?
Question is, how much more?
Question ultimately is, did/has it worked? Or just fallacy??
Also risk/reward...I’m a military guy. At what stage is the the reward greater that the risk?! -
That's a lot of questions chiefSECDAWG said:
So their strategy worked?Pitchfork51 said:fewer
and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed.
There would have been more deaths and problems if these mandates have not have been implemented?
Question is, how much more?
Question ultimately is, did/has it worked? Or just fallacy?? -
There’s more.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
That's a lot of questions chiefSECDAWG said:
So their strategy worked?Pitchfork51 said:fewer
and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed.
There would have been more deaths and problems if these mandates have not have been implemented?
Question is, how much more?
Question ultimately is, did/has it worked? Or just fallacy??
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That’s the problem PGOS. You pretty much nailed it in that response. I’m on both sides of that fence, obligatory, mandatory, professionally, and fuck it.
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It’s my belief that it was a necessary move to avoid our healthcare apparatus from being overwhelmed, so it certainly saved lives.
But it’s been a month and it’s time to start moving towards opening back up. Inslee says we are nowhere close to being able to do so, which I think is bullshit. -
It worked because we were able to calm down and figure out that it isn't that bad.SECDAWG said:
So their strategy worked?Pitchfork51 said:fewer
and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed.
There would have been more deaths and problems if these mandates have not have been implemented?
Question is, how much more?
Question ultimately is, did/has it worked? Or just fallacy??
Also risk/reward...I’m a military guy. At what stage is the the reward greater that the risk?!
Now that we know it isn't that bad it's time to slowly start ending it.
The dems are claiming we are over a year out from being able to leave the house, and if you believe them....you might be a faggot -
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It’s my belief that when staring down 2,500,000 Projected US deaths within 30-60 days and All age groups will see Death. swift action needed to be taken.
But, actual data rendered the projection models to be totally worthless, (2,500,000 —-> 50,000 with 50% north of age 70). 90% of ALL deaths involve pre-existing medical conditions.
We learned excess hospital, ICU beds, equipment and staff capacity, successful drug therapy was the Nationwide reality.
Now, suddenly and without explanation, Democrats want to ditch Science to push Politics and Control over the populace.
Meanwhile #coronabros cheer their capture and surrender from Moms basement. -
So much this.doogie said:It’s my belief that when staring down 2,500,000 Projected US deaths within 30-60 days and All age groups will see Death. swift action needed to be taken.
But, actual data rendered the projection models to be totally worthless, (2,500,000 —-> 50,000 with 50% north of age 70). 90% of ALL deaths involve pre-existing medical conditions.
We learned excess hospital, ICU beds, equipment and staff capacity, successful drug therapy was the Nationwide reality.
Now, suddenly and without explanation, Democrats want to ditch Science to push Politics and Control over the populace.
Meanwhile #coronabros cheer their capture and surrender from Moms basement. -
Yep.doogie said:It’s my belief that when staring down 2,500,000 Projected US deaths within 30-60 days and All age groups will see Death. swift action needed to be taken.
But, actual data rendered the projection models to be totally worthless, (2,500,000 —-> 50,000 with 50% north of age 70). 90% of ALL deaths involve pre-existing medical conditions.
We learned excess hospital, ICU beds, equipment and staff capacity, successful drug therapy was the Nationwide reality.
Now, suddenly and without explanation, Democrats want to ditch Science to push Politics and Control over the populace.
Meanwhile #coronabros cheer their capture and surrender from Moms basement.
It was the right thing to do when we didn't know. Now that we're fine and it's not a big deal they literally want to destroy America and ruin people's lives to spite Trump. It's fucking sad. And the worst part is its pointless....because Biden ain't winning -
A lot of those public policy paradoxes around. This is not unique in that regard.insinceredawg said: -
Yes.doogie said:It’s my belief that when staring down 2,500,000 Projected US deaths within 30-60 days and All age groups will see Death. swift action needed to be taken.
But, actual data rendered the projection models to be totally worthless, (2,500,000 —-> 50,000 with 50% north of age 70). 90% of ALL deaths involve pre-existing medical conditions.
We learned excess hospital, ICU beds, equipment and staff capacity, successful drug therapy was the Nationwide reality.
Now, suddenly and without explanation, Democrats want to ditch Science to push Politics and Control over the populace.
Meanwhile #coronabros cheer their capture and surrender from Moms basement.
The point of the shut down was never to halt our way of life until we had a cure or a vaccine. It was to get our scientific arms around this thing so we could understand what we were dealing with before things got out of control and the death toll reached into the hundreds of thousands.
That has happened. Our HCS was not overwhelmed, except in some small instances. Now, we can prepare for the next wave, whenever that happens and get back to living our fucking lives. It is absolutely insane to think we should hide under our beds until this thing has been eradicated. It’s just not gonna happen. -
Well, apparently the public policy paradox doesn't work for leftards focused on the Russia, Russia Trump hoax. They still uniformly believe they were right. The models were always obviously wrong for the vast majority of the US. We had clear evidence that the Wuhan flu was a clear killer for the elderly, especially with pre-existing conditions. There was no "science" that supported locking down rural America. If was just virtue signaling and the prevailing leftard feeling that if everyone is miserable then no one is miserable. Take care of grandpa and grandma and those with compromised immune systems. Destroying the economy in the hope that the sheeple will then elect dems to save them is not what made America great. Wait until our state and local government leaders realize how much tax revenue is going to be lost.
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I cannot wait for the Inslee press conference announcing thousands of State government employees furloughed.
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That will be solved with new taxes and earners will be asked(told) to “do their part” so everyone who wants to continue to hide under their beds can feel safe.
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We shut down too late and incompletely to claim victory by the hide under the bed crowd. Too many places didn't shut down.
The math was wrong and running a country on bad math is no way to go through life son -
You’ll be waiting foreverdoogie said:I cannot wait for the Inslee press conference announcing thousands of State government employees furloughed.
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I am certain our basement dwelling contingent of meat loaf munchers would never have known a problem existed if not for the internet.
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Never gonna happen. In WA state, only earners and laborers are told to go home.doogie said:I cannot wait for the Inslee press conference announcing thousands of State government employees furloughed.
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Probably the best way would be to compare between states or between countries, though each has done it differently (shelter orders, testing, etc.) so it isn't perfect, but it's probably the best measure we have.SECDAWG said:
So their strategy worked?Pitchfork51 said:fewer
and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed.
There would have been more deaths and problems if these mandates have not have been implemented?
Question is, how much more?
Question ultimately is, did/has it worked? Or just fallacy??
Also risk/reward...I’m a military guy. At what stage is the the reward greater that the risk?! -
We could cut flu deaths every season by shutting it down but obviously that would be stupid
We need to analyze this rationally before it becomes embedded -
whatshouldicareabout said:
Probably the best way would be to compare between states or between countries, though each has done it differently (shelter orders, testing, etc.) so it isn't perfect, but it's probably the best measure we have.SECDAWG said:
So their strategy worked?Pitchfork51 said:fewer
and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed.
There would have been more deaths and problems if these mandates have not have been implemented?
Question is, how much more?
Question ultimately is, did/has it worked? Or just fallacy??
Also risk/reward...I’m a military guy. At what stage is the the reward greater that the risk?!
Are those substantively different? I don’t know. -
What type of conclusion are you trying to derive from that analysis? If we're trying to look at the effect of shelter-in-place, you'd need to set some controls to reduce noise and to isolate the variable.GrundleStiltzkin said:whatshouldicareabout said:
Probably the best way would be to compare between states or between countries, though each has done it differently (shelter orders, testing, etc.) so it isn't perfect, but it's probably the best measure we have.SECDAWG said:
So their strategy worked?Pitchfork51 said:fewer
and we will see more deaths from other things like rises in suicide than covid would have ever done.
Just keep granny quarantined for a few more months and let everyone else go on their business. Case closed.
There would have been more deaths and problems if these mandates have not have been implemented?
Question is, how much more?
Question ultimately is, did/has it worked? Or just fallacy??
Also risk/reward...I’m a military guy. At what stage is the the reward greater that the risk?!
Are those substantively different? I don’t know.
Since we're looking at cases here, the most important thing to consider is the availability of testing, the timing of testing (presymptomatic or only the most critically illy?), the frequency of testing, and who is tested. Rates will be different between different countries, so this is challenging to isolate the effect, but what might be most interesting is testing the most likely to have hospitalizations or complications. However, I'm not sure where that data would exist, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are a number of papers out this summer on the subject.
One good way of measuring death rates would be to look at the definition of death due to COVID. Numbers of other posters here have complained about the way they are counted, including COVID-probable as a COVID-death. I'm not sure how Sweden is doing it or how it's reported across states, but that is another measure. -
Link?doogie said:It’s my belief that when staring down 2,500,000 Projected US deaths within 30-60 days and All age groups will see Death. swift action needed to be taken.
But, actual data rendered the projection models to be totally worthless, (2,500,000 —-> 50,000 with 50% north of age 70). 90% of ALL deaths involve pre-existing medical conditions.
We learned excess hospital, ICU beds, equipment and staff capacity, successful drug therapy was the Nationwide reality.
Now, suddenly and without explanation, Democrats want to ditch Science to push Politics and Control over the populace.
Meanwhile #coronabros cheer their capture and surrender from Moms basement. -
Total deaths are slightly down vs do nothingSECDAWG said:Simple question.
Has the Trump and Upper political figures orders to shelter in place and social distancing caused LESS COVID cases and deaths worked or have been working? or is this all a fallacy? If not implemented, are the results in this time frame the same as now, regardless?
Economics is science.insinceredawg said:
Link?doogie said:It’s my belief that when staring down 2,500,000 Projected US deaths within 30-60 days and All age groups will see Death. swift action needed to be taken.
But, actual data rendered the projection models to be totally worthless, (2,500,000 —-> 50,000 with 50% north of age 70). 90% of ALL deaths involve pre-existing medical conditions.
We learned excess hospital, ICU beds, equipment and staff capacity, successful drug therapy was the Nationwide reality.
Now, suddenly and without explanation, Democrats want to ditch Science to push Politics and Control over the populace.
Meanwhile #coronabros cheer their capture and surrender from Moms basement.
