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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068

    It will be fun to watch the Coronabros root for an economic crash from the sidelines

    Anybody rooting for this crash isn't liberal or leftard or feelings or whatever. You have to be certifiably insane to root for this, because as many are discover for the first time, we are all connected in this economy, and unless you're a nurse or a doc on the front line of this thing you are fucked eventually. Even the hospitals will eventually run out of money because nobody will be able to pay them.

    Sorry, my feet are taped to the pedals on this: you cannot shut down the entire country and keep people home. I've been home for 1.75 months now (we were early to flee). Sure, we got caught with our pants down. I don't blame Trump. Any sitting Prez would have been caught unprepared for this. So now we've had a month to deal with PPE production and hospital capacity (which, as Washington is proving, is a temporary issue). We should be ready for another spike. If we're not by now, we all deserve to bite it.

    Either way, time to get back to work. This cannot be sustained much longer. Our economy doesn't work that way, and the other system is far less capable than ours at dealing with scarcity and allocating resources in a rational and sustainable way.

    There's no fucking choice here. Give it another week for shits and grins and call it.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Conspiracy theory is just a way to discredit something you are too lazy to actually discredit, It sounds scary and stupid.

    We conspire every day with people of like mind to reach a common goal. That's not sinister its life. If someone fucks up in a lab the lab is going to come together and cover it up. That is a conspiracy. Not the Illuminati. Just your everyday ass covering we see all the tim

    Even suggesting that the virus came from a Chinese lab in late February and early March would get you labeled as a conspiracy theorist.
    Not by me. I bought it the very first time I heard it. And at the time, I was buying the bio-weapon version, which I assume, but don't know for a fact, has not been entirely dismissed.
    While one can't rule anything completely out—because science of course—the bio-weapon angle appears highly unlikely, and even more so as an intentional release of a bio-weapon.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,119 Founders Club
    Countries including our own aren't investigating killer viruses for no reason

    If China fucked up that's one thing. Intentionally and its World War Three. I believe a bio attack gets nukes in return under our doctrine

    We want to be careful
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Countries including our own aren't investigating killer viruses for no reason

    If China fucked up that's one thing. Intentionally and its World War Three. I believe a bio attack gets nukes in return under our doctrine

    We want to be careful

    One big reason why intentional bio-attack can be essentially ruled out.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068

    SFGbob said:

    Conspiracy theory is just a way to discredit something you are too lazy to actually discredit, It sounds scary and stupid.

    We conspire every day with people of like mind to reach a common goal. That's not sinister its life. If someone fucks up in a lab the lab is going to come together and cover it up. That is a conspiracy. Not the Illuminati. Just your everyday ass covering we see all the tim

    Even suggesting that the virus came from a Chinese lab in late February and early March would get you labeled as a conspiracy theorist.
    Not by me. I bought it the very first time I heard it. And at the time, I was buying the bio-weapon version, which I assume, but don't know for a fact, has not been entirely dismissed.
    While one can't rule anything completely out—because science of course—the bio-weapon angle appears highly unlikely, and even more so as an intentional release of a bio-weapon.
    The version that came to me was that it was a lab that does virus study for, among other purposes, bio-weapon dev, and that it was accidentally released. Not sure I ever read that it was purposeful. I assumed a Chinese lab would not release a bio-weapon in Wuhan to get things started. But then again, the Chinese have not always been nice to their own people.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited April 2020

    SFGbob said:

    Conspiracy theory is just a way to discredit something you are too lazy to actually discredit, It sounds scary and stupid.

    We conspire every day with people of like mind to reach a common goal. That's not sinister its life. If someone fucks up in a lab the lab is going to come together and cover it up. That is a conspiracy. Not the Illuminati. Just your everyday ass covering we see all the tim

    Even suggesting that the virus came from a Chinese lab in late February and early March would get you labeled as a conspiracy theorist.
    I know some people will want to point to the Fox news article linked within, but let's not forget that it was Grundle who first brought this to the mainstream and gave it legitimacy.
    Did Fox News say that you are a pussy who is afraid to bet on himself?
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068

    Countries including our own aren't investigating killer viruses for no reason

    If China fucked up that's one thing. Intentionally and its World War Three. I believe a bio attack gets nukes in return under our doctrine

    We want to be careful

    Agreed. We can't share the planet with people who will do stupid shit like that. With free people who travel, any bio war is almost instantly a global war.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Conspiracy theory is just a way to discredit something you are too lazy to actually discredit, It sounds scary and stupid.

    We conspire every day with people of like mind to reach a common goal. That's not sinister its life. If someone fucks up in a lab the lab is going to come together and cover it up. That is a conspiracy. Not the Illuminati. Just your everyday ass covering we see all the tim

    Even suggesting that the virus came from a Chinese lab in late February and early March would get you labeled as a conspiracy theorist.
    Not by me. I bought it the very first time I heard it. And at the time, I was buying the bio-weapon version, which I assume, but don't know for a fact, has not been entirely dismissed.
    Senator Cotton has been pushing the Chinese lab angle since January and every liberal rag from the NYTimes and the Washington Post have trashed him for it.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Conspiracy theory is just a way to discredit something you are too lazy to actually discredit, It sounds scary and stupid.

    We conspire every day with people of like mind to reach a common goal. That's not sinister its life. If someone fucks up in a lab the lab is going to come together and cover it up. That is a conspiracy. Not the Illuminati. Just your everyday ass covering we see all the tim

    Even suggesting that the virus came from a Chinese lab in late February and early March would get you labeled as a conspiracy theorist.
    Not by me. I bought it the very first time I heard it. And at the time, I was buying the bio-weapon version, which I assume, but don't know for a fact, has not been entirely dismissed.
    While one can't rule anything completely out—because science of course—the bio-weapon angle appears highly unlikely, and even more so as an intentional release of a bio-weapon.
    The version that came to me was that it was a lab that does virus study for, among other purposes, bio-weapon dev, and that it was accidentally released. Not sure I ever read that it was purposeful. I assumed a Chinese lab would not release a bio-weapon in Wuhan to get things started. But then again, the Chinese have not always been nice to their own people.
    Oh, I've seen plenty of REAL conspiracy theories that it was deliberately developed and intentionally released as a weapon. Complete nutter. Beyond that, who knows the ChiCom motivation to mess with this stuff, and there are many non-exclusive motivations, some legitimate, some not. Chief among the legitimate, it seems like 81% of every malignant pestilence comes out of their backyard.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,119 Founders Club
    China could release a virus in the Muslim camps out west and cover it up

    I'm not saying they did. They could
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    China could release a virus in the Muslim camps out west and cover it up

    I'm not saying they did. They could

    That’d be pretty racist, imo
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,633 Standard Supporter

    I’m going with the unintentional release of a non-bio weapon into Wuhan. What I do believe is that the chicoms intentionally infected the world after it got loose. They lied and covered up the release. They supposedly locked down Wuhan but let hundreds of thousands leave Wuhan on international flights. What is also apparent is that the American left and MSM have parroted the official chicom line any chance they could.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,633 Standard Supporter
    I think it was door number 2. Spread some economic misery. This will test our metal. No more business as usual with the chicoms. But look at the dems already. They want to keep on funding the WHO.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,732 Founders Club

    Sen. Murphy says Trump, not China or WHO, to blame for US coronavirus crisis

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-murphy-trump-to-blame-coronavirus-crisis

    Democrats to the rescue

    “Could have saved lives” is the hot tag line of the week.

    China could release a virus in the Muslim camps out west and cover it up

    I'm not saying they did. They could

    It’s the 1984 practice green over there.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    NPR now reporting on this fringe conspiracy theory
    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/17/836719875/morning-news-brief

    Get it straight. Crack pot, right wing, fringe conspiracy theory based almost entirely on racism.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662


    I’m going with the unintentional release of a non-bio weapon into Wuhan. What I do believe is that the chicoms intentionally infected the world after it got loose. They lied and covered up the release. They supposedly locked down Wuhan but let hundreds of thousands leave Wuhan on international flights. What is also apparent is that the American left and MSM have parroted the official chicom line any chance they could.

    Meaning, you believe that they intentionally infected the world so that it would be harder to pin point Wuhan as ground zero? That I would believe.

    Or are you saying they got infected and said, "fuck it; if our economy is going to tank because of this shit so is everyone else's."?

    About the only thing I believe coming from the Chinese is that, whatever they tell me, that ain't it.
    I think the second one
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2020

    US officials confirm full-scale investigation of whether coronavirus escaped from Wuhan lab

    The U.S. is conducting a full-scale investigation into whether the novel coronavirus, which went on to morph into a global pandemic that has brought the global economy to its knees, escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, Fox News has learned.

    Intelligence operatives are said to be gathering information about the laboratory and the initial outbreak of the virus. Intelligence analysts are piecing together a timeline of what the government knew and “creating an accurate picture of what happened,” the sources said.

    Once that investigation is complete -- something that is expected to happen in the near-term -- the findings will be presented to the Trump administration. At that point White House policymakers and President Trump will use the findings to determine how to hold the country accountable for the pandemic.

    U.S. officials and the intelligence community have confirmed to Fox News that they have taken the possibility of the coronavirus being man-made or engineered inside China as some sort of bioweapon off the table and have ruled it out at this point.

    Sources point to the structure of the virus, in saying the genome mapping specifically shows it was not genetically altered. The sources believe the initial transmission of the virus was a naturally occurring strain that was being studied there -- and then went into the population in Wuhan.

    Sources say the investigation of open source and classified data points to the work in the lab of Dr. Shi Zhengli, who was working on antivirals and immunizations for coronavirus, specifically with bats.

    US officials are 100 percent confident China went to great lengths to cover up after the virus was out, the sources said.