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  • Lawrence_of_a_Labia
    Lawrence_of_a_Labia Member Posts: 487
    Why stop there?
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  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    In today's episode of Tug Follies, Temecula flooring estimator tells NYC Health Department officials how to do their jobs

    Wacky hilarity ensues
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,753 Standard Supporter
    BearsWiin said:

    In today's episode of Tug Follies, Temecula flooring estimator tells NYC Health Department officials how to do their jobs

    Wacky hilarity ensues

    Lefty stupidity ensued
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,615 Standard Supporter
    alarming surge
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,067
    "Presumed to have died from it"

    WTF does that mean?

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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,615 Standard Supporter
    PurpleThrobber said:

    "Presumed to have died from it"

    WTF does that mean?

    They were told to pad COVID numbers by superiors
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,720 Founders Club
    When's Ozone's fucking float plane going to crash into this thread and remind everyone that Trump's dick is in their mouths for calling out this kind of bullshit?

    Trust the numbers or you're a Trumpanzeeee!!!
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,067
    haie said:

    When's Ozone's fucking float plane going to crash into this thread and remind everyone that Trump's dick is in their mouths for calling out this kind of bullshit?

    Trust the numbers or you're a Trumpanzeeee!!!

    The first six float planes are consensual.
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  • LesGrossman
    LesGrossman Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,500 Founders Club
    Every death they can add is one more that justifies the overreaction.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Grim milestone
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  • ToiletBowl1983
    ToiletBowl1983 Member Posts: 82
    I get not wanting to waste tests on people that have already passed, but at least do small random sample so they would come up with a decent approximation.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    LesGrossman said:

    Every death they can add is one more that justifies the overreaction.

    Moreover, the funding.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    MikeDamone said:

    BearsWiin said:

    In today's episode of Tug Follies, Temecula flooring estimator tells NYC Health Department officials how to do their jobs

    Wacky hilarity ensues

    Meanwhile, kept man wonders why anyone wants to work.
    Or has to work.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,384 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    In today's episode of Tug Follies, Temecula flooring estimator tells NYC Health Department officials how to do their jobs

    Wacky hilarity ensues

    Tomorrow's episode will feature you painting your wife's toenails.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,569 Standard Supporter
    Bearslose ain't the smartest bear at Jellystone. But he does fit the stereotypical view that Cal students love free sh*t.
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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    Just a month ago you all loved to reference the swine flu death numbers. Guess what? Those numbers were estimates too because a majority of those who contracted the virus weren't tested. There were only 18.5k laboratory confirmed deaths worldwide but the CDC estimated the actual deaths to be over 284k. I can't find a lab confirmed death total for the US but it's likely well below the final 12k estimate the CDC landed on.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2012/06/cdc-estimate-global-h1n1-pandemic-deaths-284000

    Working with admittedly sparse data, a research team led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000, about 15 times the number of laboratory-confirmed cases.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has put the number of deaths from confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu at a minimum of 18,449, but that number is regarded as well below the true total, mainly because many people who die of flu-related causes are not tested for the disease.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    RaceBannon said:




    Soaring. With a little help
    I am working with @nytims on twitter as he is a big account that can get the story out.

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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    If the Government just gives the Hospitals their? $145,000,000 instead, will they report COD’s correctly again?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,882 Founders Club
    Why are folks so defensive over a NY Times tweet?
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    insinceredawg said:

    Just a month ago you all loved to reference the swine flu death numbers. Guess what? Those numbers were estimates too because a majority of those who contracted the virus weren't tested. There were only 18.5k laboratory confirmed deaths worldwide but the CDC estimated the actual deaths to be over 284k. I can't find a lab confirmed death total for the US but it's likely well below the final 12k estimate the CDC landed on.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2012/06/cdc-estimate-global-h1n1-pandemic-deaths-284000

    Working with admittedly sparse data, a research team led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000, about 15 times the number of laboratory-confirmed cases.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has put the number of deaths from confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu at a minimum of 18,449, but that number is regarded as well below the true total, mainly because many people who die of flu-related causes are not tested for the disease.

    Obama really fucked us on testing. Blood on his hands.




    Couldn’t resist. No one cared.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,067
    insinceredawg said:

    Just a month ago you all loved to reference the swine flu death numbers. Guess what? Those numbers were estimates too because a majority of those who contracted the virus weren't tested. There were only 18.5k laboratory confirmed deaths worldwide but the CDC estimated the actual deaths to be over 284k. I can't find a lab confirmed death total for the US but it's likely well below the final 12k estimate the CDC landed on.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2012/06/cdc-estimate-global-h1n1-pandemic-deaths-284000

    Working with admittedly sparse data, a research team led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000, about 15 times the number of laboratory-confirmed cases.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has put the number of deaths from confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu at a minimum of 18,449, but that number is regarded as well below the true total, mainly because many people who die of flu-related causes are not tested for the disease.

    So Obama didn't pad the numbers. What's your point? Paying scorekeepers off can work the same both directions.

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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    PurpleThrobber said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Just a month ago you all loved to reference the swine flu death numbers. Guess what? Those numbers were estimates too because a majority of those who contracted the virus weren't tested. There were only 18.5k laboratory confirmed deaths worldwide but the CDC estimated the actual deaths to be over 284k. I can't find a lab confirmed death total for the US but it's likely well below the final 12k estimate the CDC landed on.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2012/06/cdc-estimate-global-h1n1-pandemic-deaths-284000

    Working with admittedly sparse data, a research team led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000, about 15 times the number of laboratory-confirmed cases.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has put the number of deaths from confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu at a minimum of 18,449, but that number is regarded as well below the true total, mainly because many people who die of flu-related causes are not tested for the disease.

    So Obama didn't pad the numbers. What's your point? Paying scorekeepers off can work the same both directions.

    The point is adding more deaths to the pandemic body count isn't driven by political agenda. It's scientists and researchers doing their job. Obama didn't whine about the CDC adding 15x to the total death count of Swine Flu but I'm sure Trump and his cult will cry Fake News! when the final Covid estimates eventually come out.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,569 Standard Supporter
    What about death on his hands Fredo II?
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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    insinceredawg said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    insinceredawg said:

    Just a month ago you all loved to reference the swine flu death numbers. Guess what? Those numbers were estimates too because a majority of those who contracted the virus weren't tested. There were only 18.5k laboratory confirmed deaths worldwide but the CDC estimated the actual deaths to be over 284k. I can't find a lab confirmed death total for the US but it's likely well below the final 12k estimate the CDC landed on.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2012/06/cdc-estimate-global-h1n1-pandemic-deaths-284000

    Working with admittedly sparse data, a research team led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000, about 15 times the number of laboratory-confirmed cases.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has put the number of deaths from confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu at a minimum of 18,449, but that number is regarded as well below the true total, mainly because many people who die of flu-related causes are not tested for the disease.

    So Obama didn't pad the numbers. What's your point? Paying scorekeepers off can work the same both directions.

    The point is adding more deaths to the pandemic body count isn't driven by political agenda. It's scientists and researchers doing their job. Obama didn't whine about the CDC adding 15x to the total death count of Swine Flu but I'm sure Trump and his cult will cry Fake News! when the final Covid estimates eventually come out.
    My state wasn't locked down during H1N1. My friends and family's businesses weren't closed by force of law during H1N1. My kids weren't removed from school during H1N1. The correct numbers matter because proper policies matter.
    But doesn't that further prove the point that some mitigation measures were necessary? H1N1 was mild compared to Covid. H1N1 was estimated to kill 12k ppl over the course of one year when there were very little to no mitigation measures. Even with draconian mitigation measures, Covid has killed at least 25k ppl in a little over a month, final estimates will be even higher.

    This article doesn't go very in depth but provides a good high level explanation
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-did-the-world-shut-down-for-covid-19-but-not-ebola-sars-or-swine-flu/
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