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Navy evacuates 80% from TR.

GDS
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Looks like Cozier was right. First sailor has died. Over 600 positive.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-navy-evacuates-roughly-80-of-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-2020-4
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    An infection rate at roughly the low-end of that German study, ~13%, if they have tested every one on the ship.
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,782 Swaye's Wigwam
    I think they should have sunk the damn thing before the infection spread
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    And leftists rejoice
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    LebamDawg said:

    I think they should have sunk the damn thing before the infection spread

    Only way to be sure.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,682 Standard Supporter
    When you announce one of our carriers is combat ineffective to world you should go to prison!
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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member Posts: 8,145
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Swaye said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Of course Cozier was right. He was also rightly removed for insubordination. There's room in this world for both things to be true.

    This. Of course the ship needed serious medical intervention. Of course you do not put the entire chain of command on worldwide blast to accomplish this.
    Yep, his superiors may have very well been incompetent and putting his men at risk. Tough shit. You don't get to reform the military just because you've unilaterally decided that you're the righteous one in the situation. Same goes for Snowden, Manning, and the like. We have a rigid hierarchy for a reason.
    Wasn't there a Rear Admiral on the ship too? Fucking bueracracy.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    GDS said:

    Looks like Cozier was right. First sailor has died. Over 600 positive.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-navy-evacuates-roughly-80-of-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-2020-4

    Crozier was right to ignore the chain of command and announce publicly that his aircraft carrier wasn't battle ready?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Swaye said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Of course Cozier was right. He was also rightly removed for insubordination. There's room in this world for both things to be true.

    This. Of course the ship needed serious medical intervention. Of course you do not put the entire chain of command on worldwide blast to accomplish this.
    Yep, his superiors may have very well been incompetent and putting his men at risk. Tough shit. You don't get to reform the military just because you've unilaterally decided that you're the righteous one in the situation. Same goes for Snowden, Manning, and the like. We have a rigid hierarchy for a reason.
    Again, the Navy could be lying but they were already in the process of dealing with this situation when Cozier went public with his letter.

    Aircraft carrier has over 5,000 sailors on it and the Guam Naval base wasn't immediately ready to deal with that many people. They were in the process of setting up the facilities to deal with sailors being taken off the ship.

    Look how long it took them to get everyone off the cruise ship they docked here in Oakland. It took them over a week to get everyone off the ship and they had a facility that was already set up to receive people for quarantine out at Travis Air Force base. And that was a fucking cruise ship not an aircraft carrier with nuclear weapons.

    Again, the Navy could be lying but Cozier's actions were completely fucking irresponsible.

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025
    GDS said:

    Looks like Cozier was right. First sailor has died. Over 600 positive.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-navy-evacuates-roughly-80-of-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-2020-4

    "Right" doesn't mean he should have circumvented the chain of command and played leaker.

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Of course Cozier was right. He was also rightly removed for insubordination. There's room in this world for both things to be true.

    We should cyber.
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  • MontlakeBridgeTroll
    MontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 925
    edited April 2020
    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    But other than your feelings you have no way of knowing that the chain of command was broken prior to Cozier breaking it. The naval base at Guam has a little over 6,000 active duty sailors stationed there. Their hospital and housing accommodations are sized accordingly.

    A carrier the size of the TR has over 5,000 sailors stationed on it. There was no immediate place to house and or quarantine the TR sailors on the base. The Navy was scrambling to build both the medical and housing/quarantine facilities they believed they were going to need.

    As I already pointed out with the cruise ship they docked in Oakland, under the best circumstances, it still took them a week to get everyone off that boat. They couldn't just turn everyone who was on the TR loose on the Island, they had to have somewhere to go.

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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    Bag-O-Hammers, Dumber-Than Award Winner, right here.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clumsy as you are stupid
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,025
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    Pitchfork51 said:

    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clumsy as you are stupid
    Klumsy, KIueless and Kunty.

    Same as it ever was with the leftists. Ax @KkkliffKkklingsbury .

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  • MontlakeBridgeTroll
    MontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 925
    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
    Michael Glenn Mullen, retired Admiral, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush disagrees with you. He said as much in an interview 3 days ago.

    Any officer in the US military understands their obligation to put what is right, legal, and just... ahead of "orders" and the "chain of command".

    If any of you dumbfucks had been officer material -- as I was -- you'd understand this.
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  • MontlakeBridgeTroll
    MontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 925
    Doogles said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
    Michael Glenn Mullen, retired Admiral, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush disagrees with you. He said as much in an interview 3 days ago.

    Any officer in the US military understands their obligation to put what is right, legal, and just... ahead of "orders" and the "chain of command".

    If any of you dumbfucks had been officer material -- as I was -- you'd understand this.
    At least @Swaye can actually fly.

    Swaye has a good shtick going here. I don't begrudge him that. But he is wrong on the issue of military law, and is obviously pandering to the lowest common denominator on this board.
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  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,070
    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    Doogles said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
    Michael Glenn Mullen, retired Admiral, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush disagrees with you. He said as much in an interview 3 days ago.

    Any officer in the US military understands their obligation to put what is right, legal, and just... ahead of "orders" and the "chain of command".

    If any of you dumbfucks had been officer material -- as I was -- you'd understand this.
    At least @Swaye can actually fly.

    Swaye has a good shtick going here. I don't begrudge him that. But he is wrong on the issue of military law, and is obviously pandering to the lowest common denominator on this board.
    ... which is pretty fucking low
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
    Michael Glenn Mullen, retired Admiral, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush disagrees with you. He said as much in an interview 3 days ago.

    Any officer in the US military understands their obligation to put what is right, legal, and just... ahead of "orders" and the "chain of command".

    If any of you dumbfucks had been officer material -- as I was -- you'd understand this.
    Great, and I can find 5 Generals that say you're full of shit. So where does that leave us?
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  • MontlakeBridgeTroll
    MontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 925
    SFGbob said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
    Michael Glenn Mullen, retired Admiral, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush disagrees with you. He said as much in an interview 3 days ago.

    Any officer in the US military understands their obligation to put what is right, legal, and just... ahead of "orders" and the "chain of command".

    If any of you dumbfucks had been officer material -- as I was -- you'd understand this.
    Great, and I can find 5 Generals that say you're full of shit. So where does that leave us?
    Name them.
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  • MontlakeBridgeTroll
    MontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 925
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    Sound strategy for losing a war.
    The current war is against Covid.

    The war Trump is fighting is for his own PR.

    Most officers understand the difference.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    Sound strategy for losing a war.
    The current war is against Covid.

    The war Trump is fighting is for his own PR.

    Most officers understand the difference.
    You seem upset.


    Most officers in a civil war aren’t joining team Newsom.


    HTH.
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  • MontlakeBridgeTroll
    MontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 925
    MikeDamone said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    Sound strategy for losing a war.
    The current war is against Covid.

    The war Trump is fighting is for his own PR.

    Most officers understand the difference.
    Most officers in a civil war

    You think the fight against Covid is a cival war?

    What a huge fucktard you are.

    Explains why you suck Trump's sick all day.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    Doogles said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
    Michael Glenn Mullen, retired Admiral, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush disagrees with you. He said as much in an interview 3 days ago.

    Any officer in the US military understands their obligation to put what is right, legal, and just... ahead of "orders" and the "chain of command".

    If any of you dumbfucks had been officer material -- as I was -- you'd understand this.
    At least @Swaye can actually fly.

    Swaye has a good shtick going here. I don't begrudge him that. But he is wrong on the issue of military law, and is obviously pandering to the lowest common denominator on this board.
    Congrats! You've got @BearsWin on your side. And all the slowmentum he brings to your cause.
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