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PurpleThrobber said:

You know I love you all (not in a gay way...most of the time) but let's be clear, this is a popularity contest among the shows put on the ballot.

There's no fucking way South Park is the best television show of all time by any 'normal' metric or learned critics.

Sopranos probably isn't either.

What's a "normal" metric? I can think of several.

Viewers, ratings, amalgamation of critics scores, whatever....go ahead. Doubtful either South Park or Sopranos makes top 5 unless you're using the filter of HBO/Comedy Central shows only.

South Park has had a 23 year run of consistently high quality, which is something no other narrative series in history can claim. Of those 23 years, they've been nominated for Emmys 19 of them and won five. Think about that: In the age of political correctness run amok, a show won five Emmys--voted on by Hollywood types--that:

• Called out Catholic rape coverups
  
• Called out Mormonism
  
• Called out Scientology
  
• Made fun of evangelicals
  
• Made fun of Jews
  
• Called out militant Islamists and showed Muhammad
  
• Had an episode featuring "The Super Best Friends" in which Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Joseph Smith, Buddah, Krishna, Laozi, and Sea Man fight evil
  
• Called vegetarians pussies
  
• Called Tom Cruise a fudge packer, made fun of Barbara Striesand, made fun of ultra liberal Hollywood in general, Russel Crowe, Kane, Snookie, Paris Hilton, etc.
  
• Featured the characters Big Gay Al and Mr. Slave
  
• Made fun of Al Gore
  
• Made fun of Prius drivers
  
• Made Mr. Garrison's sexual identity crisis a running joke
  
• Had the characters Timmy, Jimmy, Nathan, and Mimsy, who collectively brought us cripple fighting for entertainment, using steroids to dominate the Special Olympics, and summer camp at Lake Tardicaca
  
• Had a Trump analog fucking the Canadian prime minister to death
  
• Made fun of film festivals and Robert Redford
  

In between fun harmless romps (and some of the funniest episodes were just that), the show was chock full o' political and social commentary in a way that's dangerous if you're looking for love from Hollywood (or fanatical disciples of either political party). For over two decades, they mercilessly mocked and offended the very people that create official "greatest shows" lists and nominate and vote on awards, yet they consistently were nominated for such awards, named to such lists, and sometimes brought home hardware because the show's genius is too difficult to dismiss.

If all that makes a show the greatest is inclusion on a bunch of old Hollywood circle jerk of critics' lists, then I guess nothing's good but Gay Cowboys Eating Pudding, in black and white, filmed in front of a live studio audience.

I love South Park, but let's be real and admit it has been pretty mediocre for a few years running. That doesn't detract from it's greatness.

It's all relative. The first 19 to 20 seasons set the bar pretty high. Even in its past-its-prime years, though, you still get Randy and Towelie selling weed to China. To be honest, I didn't even realize the show was going anymore. Two seasons running, I was pretty sure the season finale was also the series finale. Trey and Matt have been burnt out for a while, and Comedy Central keeps throwing cash at them and begging them to return. That the show even is what it is is pretty amazing considering the showrunners don't have their hearts in it.