Jake Heaps beat out for Kansas Qb1
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One of my favorite memories of doogman is those 3 idiots drooling over that kid for YEARS... He was a finished product at 15 years old.
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Could have gone anywhere in the country and yet here he is riding pine in bumfuck Kansas #LifelongRegrets
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Heaps was really bad last year:
G Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A Y/G TD Int Long Sack YdsL QBRat
Jake Heaps 11 128 261 49.0 1414 5.4 128.5 8 10 77 26 209 97.0
Montell Cozart 7 23 63 36.5 227 3.6 32.4 0 2 45 2 11 60.4
Michael Cummings 3 3 4 75.0 44 11.0 14.7 1 0 28 1 2 249.9 -
Yeah.... fuck that guy.
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biak1 said:
Yeah.... fuck
Heaps is a good kid from a good family. What an insightful post you ignant bitch biatch1. What a turd. -
we made a much better decision with Nick Montana
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puppylove_sugarsteel said:
NYBE.biak1 said:Yeah.... fuck
Heaps is a good kid from a good family. What an insightful post you ignant bitch biatch1. What a turd. -
Since he and his family believe in magical underwear and that a professional scam artist was told by god to start the religion they follow I'd say he has bigger issues.
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I'm a firm believer that one of the hardest things to recruit is the player that doesn't have a ton of competition. When you recruit in states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., even the shit teams in the best leagues will have 2-3 D1 players on them. You can get a good idea of whether a player has it or not. The toughest guys to recruit are kids like Heaps and a lot of Bellevue kids because they are so much better than the competition that it's hard to tell what happens to them when they have to step up.
The guys in that situation you are looking for are those that go to national situations and make a leap up tied to their competition and continue to show up and be the alpha males. But if I remember about Heaps, while everybody was still drooling over him because of his stats, etc., he wasn't outperforming a lot of the QBs in the class when they were all there.
And when you look back at the top QBs in the 2009 class - fucking dreckfest: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/where-are-they-now-2009-elite-11-qbs-including-gardner-bolden-boisture -
You make a good point Tequilla -- Walker Williams is a recent local example that comes to mind where how good a player is/isn't wasn't easy to see because of the league he was in. Allegedly UW passed on him, and granted he would've sucked because of Cozzetto anyway, but it's a coaching skillset that is always a good thing to have and something that I think the current staff is halfways decent at.
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Parents of LDS recruits read this board. Let's clean it up.bananasnblondes said:Since he and his family believe in magical underwear and that a professional scam artist was told by god to start the religion they follow I'd say he has bigger issues.
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I thought he was talking about Taylor Barton.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Parents of LDS recruits read this board. Let's clean it up.bananasnblondes said:Since he and his family believe in magical underwear and that a professional scam artist was told by god to start the religion they follow I'd say he has bigger issues.
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Gotta disagree with that one. They're both horrid busts, but I'd rather build inroads at Skyline than Oaks Christian.brchco12 said:we made a much better decision with Nick Montana
FWIW, Heaps outplayed Saint Jake in 2010. -
Wa state aint texas, but it has to be in the top 12 most competitive states for high school football.Tequilla said:I'm a firm believer that one of the hardest things to recruit is the player that doesn't have a ton of competition. When you recruit in states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., even the shit teams in the best leagues will have 2-3 D1 players on them. You can get a good idea of whether a player has it or not. The toughest guys to recruit are kids like Heaps and a lot of Bellevue kids because they are so much better than the competition that it's hard to tell what happens to them when they have to step up.
The guys in that situation you are looking for are those that go to national situations and make a leap up tied to their competition and continue to show up and be the alpha males. But if I remember about Heaps, while everybody was still drooling over him because of his stats, etc., he wasn't outperforming a lot of the QBs in the class when they were all there.
And when you look back at the top QBs in the 2009 class - fucking dreckfest: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/where-are-they-now-2009-elite-11-qbs-including-gardner-bolden-boisture
Qb's from this state do well, historically -
Which state of these 12 is Washington a better producer than from a talent standpoint?
Texas
California
Florida
Ohio
Michigan
Louisiana
Alabama
Georgia
Virginia
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Maryland
Or if you want to go further how about comparing to states like Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, and New Jersey.
Washington ranks somewhere around 15-25 for top talent producing states. -
This is complete nonsense. I mean Nick Montana played against good competition and he was a total fucking bust. You can find studs and duds in any state.Tequilla said:I'm a firm believer that one of the hardest things to recruit is the player that doesn't have a ton of competition. When you recruit in states like California, Texas, Florida, etc., even the shit teams in the best leagues will have 2-3 D1 players on them. You can get a good idea of whether a player has it or not. The toughest guys to recruit are kids like Heaps and a lot of Bellevue kids because they are so much better than the competition that it's hard to tell what happens to them when they have to step up.
The guys in that situation you are looking for are those that go to national situations and make a leap up tied to their competition and continue to show up and be the alpha males. But if I remember about Heaps, while everybody was still drooling over him because of his stats, etc., he wasn't outperforming a lot of the QBs in the class when they were all there.
And when you look back at the top QBs in the 2009 class - fucking dreckfest: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/where-are-they-now-2009-elite-11-qbs-including-gardner-bolden-boisture
The key is being able to evaluate talent to tell the difference and then coach up the talent. You telling me Jonathan Stewert was facing great competition in the Pac-9? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. -
Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.
My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.
And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them. -
Heaps sucked all along but I am not sure it was that easy to evaluate coming out of high school. It was a horrible year for QB's. I was at the BYU game when he first played and his first pass was almost a pick 6 where we blitzed from the strong side to force the ball to the weak side wide out. He made the same mistake only about 5 other times that year. He is the least athletic QB I think I have seen in years at a major school. If you look at his freshman season all his numbers were against shit teams. Had zero ability to improvise or buy time in the pocket. He also had zero concept of touch as everything was thrown hard regardless if that is what the best choice was. He had pretty good arm strength but not much else going for him.
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Water is wet. Your posts are basically saying there is better talent in CA and Texas than Washington. I'm not sure what your point is.Tequilla said:Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.
My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.
And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.
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Top talent producing state superiority guyTequilla said:Which state of these 12 is Washington a better producer than from a talent standpoint?
Texas
California
Florida
Ohio
Michigan
Louisiana
Alabama
Georgia
Virginia
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Maryland
Or if you want to go further how about comparing to states like Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, and New Jersey.
Washington ranks somewhere around 15-25 for top talent producing states. -
Interesting to see that the Elite 11 is pretty meaningless. After looking at TequillaTLDR's link to MgoBlog, I looked at the Elite 11 for 2010 and 2011 and found that they generally get about 1-2 out of 11 being significant contributors:
2010 had Teddy Bridgewater and Everett Gholson. No others that really saw the field.
2011 had Jameis Winston. Ditto. Mariota and Manziel were in this class but not Elite 11.
2008 was a good year for the Elite 11: Tajh Boyd (great), AJ McCarron (great), Zach Mettenberger (turned out well), Aaron Murray (great) , Geno Smith (great).
2007: Jacory Harris (meh), Blaine Gabbert (very good), Landry Jones (good), Andrew Luck (awesome), EJ Manuel (sucks).
2006: Stephen Garcia (lol), Tyrod Taylor (who?), Ryan Mallett (lol).
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Could also be that there hasn't been a ton of great QB play out there recently.
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The point being that if PGOS says that Washington is in the top 12 of talent producing states in the country, that it's just flat out wrong given the data.RoadDawg55 said:
Water is wet. Your posts are basically saying there is better talent in CA and Texas than Washington. I'm not sure what your point is.Tequilla said:Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.
My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.
And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.
Moreover, that while clearly bigger states have better players, I do think that there's a certain amount of truth to big fish in a little pond having to prove themselves a bit when they are faced with a bit of competition. Some respond really well to that and step up their game to confirm that they are the big fish. Others get hit in the mouth and don't respond at all. In bigger states, while there is definitely still a bit of that going on, it's less pronounced compared to states where the difference between the great players and good players is more extreme. -
Now he's going to transfer. How many schools is this now?
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Haha.
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It will be a great day for some MAC or D2 program when they are able to sign a former #1 AB recruit in the nation.
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I'll bet Eastern Washington!
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Eastern's QB is a junior and broke records last year. He is better than Heaps. Montana's QB is better than Heaps too. He's going somewhere shitty. Maybe he already graduated and can go to a shitty FBS team that needs a QB.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:I'll bet Eastern Washington!
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I still think WA is right around #12. Maryland, virginia, nc, etc., are all on equal or lesser footingTequilla said:
The point being that if PGOS says that Washington is in the top 12 of talent producing states in the country, that it's just flat out wrong given the data.RoadDawg55 said:
Water is wet. Your posts are basically saying there is better talent in CA and Texas than Washington. I'm not sure what your point is.Tequilla said:Clearly there's going to be busts from good states and guys that are going to rise up from the middle of nowhere. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I said as much.
My point being that you have more evidence with good players from good states as to knowing whether they have the ability to rise up at competition levels or not.
And yes, you are absolutely right, part of good recruiting is being able to understand how much more you can get out of a player and then having the ability to get that talent out of them.
Moreover, that while clearly bigger states have better players, I do think that there's a certain amount of truth to big fish in a little pond having to prove themselves a bit when they are faced with a bit of competition. Some respond really well to that and step up their game to confirm that they are the big fish. Others get hit in the mouth and don't respond at all. In bigger states, while there is definitely still a bit of that going on, it's less pronounced compared to states where the difference between the great players and good players is more extreme.
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