Swaye?? True??
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Saying Jackson is the worst of all time is just woke laziness.
The YellaPiss Top 3 are: Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Carter. -
Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President -
Disagree. Almost all of human history is one of the stronger tribe fucking over the weaker one and taking their land. It's only a fairly recent construct that most humans think this is wrong. White devil desire for land, gold, etc was gonna fuck the Swayes regardless of Jackson. Watch Deadwood for the 6th time. We had a contract!! Still didn't stop Sweargin from going into the Black Hills.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President -
FDR was a piece of shit. As was WilsonYellowSnow said:Saying Jackson is the worst of all time is just woke laziness.
The YellaPiss Top 3 are: Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Carter. -
Johnson did far more damage to race relations in the US that Wilson. Buchanan was all time level bad.MikeDamone said:
FDR was a piece of shit. As was WilsonYellowSnow said:Saying Jackson is the worst of all time is just woke laziness.
The YellaPiss Top 3 are: Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Carter. -
Have we done a worst president pole in the Tug before?
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I don't argue that. I just said he was a piece of shit.YellowSnow said:
Johnson did far more damage to race relations in the US that Wilson. Buchanan was all time level bad.MikeDamone said:
FDR was a piece of shit. As was WilsonYellowSnow said:Saying Jackson is the worst of all time is just woke laziness.
The YellaPiss Top 3 are: Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Carter. -
Such a pole would be rayciss.YellowSnow said:Have we done a worst president pole in the Tug before?
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And I agree with you. He was basically an unreconstructed Confederate. Only Southerner elected President in the country from the Civil War until LBJ, I think.MikeDamone said:
I don't argue that. I just said he was a piece of shit.YellowSnow said:
Johnson did far more damage to race relations in the US that Wilson. Buchanan was all time level bad.MikeDamone said:
FDR was a piece of shit. As was WilsonYellowSnow said:Saying Jackson is the worst of all time is just woke laziness.
The YellaPiss Top 3 are: Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Carter. -
The Cherokee went white. Bought farms and followed the rules. It was a blueprint for the futureYellowSnow said:
Disagree. Almost all of human history is one of the stronger tribe fucking over the weaker one and taking their land. It's only a fairly recent construct that most humans think this is wrong. White devil desire for land, gold, etc was gonna fuck the Swayes regardless of Jackson. Watch Deadwood for the 6th time. We had a contract!! Still didn't stop Sweargin from going into the Black Hills.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President
Jackson fucked all that up
From that point forward it was over
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Wilson was horribleMikeDamone said:
FDR was a piece of shit. As was WilsonYellowSnow said:Saying Jackson is the worst of all time is just woke laziness.
The YellaPiss Top 3 are: Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Carter.
FDR was a dictator -
You're cherry picking one tribe. What Jackson did was horrible. But this isn't proof that the Comanches, Apaches, Sioux, were going to go white. The Nomadic Swayes were completely different than the Eastern Swayes, many of whom were already farmers before Columbus came dancing across the water in the Nina, The Pinta and the Santa Maria. If @Swaye was nomadic injun instead of farmer injun it would still be coke and stripper most likely.RaceBannon said:
The Cherokee went white. Bought farms and followed the rules. It was a blueprint for the futureYellowSnow said:
Disagree. Almost all of human history is one of the stronger tribe fucking over the weaker one and taking their land. It's only a fairly recent construct that most humans think this is wrong. White devil desire for land, gold, etc was gonna fuck the Swayes regardless of Jackson. Watch Deadwood for the 6th time. We had a contract!! Still didn't stop Sweargin from going into the Black Hills.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President
Jackson fucked all that up
From that point forward it was over -
Don't forget ... Race was there!
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I'm showing how it could have workedYellowSnow said:
You're cherry picking one tribe. What Jackson did was horrible. But this isn't proof that the Comanches, Apaches, Sioux, were going to go white. The Nomadic Swayes were completely different than the Eastern Swayes, many of whom were already farmers before Columbus came dancing across the water in the Nina, The Pinta and the Santa Maria. If @Swaye was nomadic injun instead of farmer injun it would still be coke and stripper most likely.RaceBannon said:
The Cherokee went white. Bought farms and followed the rules. It was a blueprint for the futureYellowSnow said:
Disagree. Almost all of human history is one of the stronger tribe fucking over the weaker one and taking their land. It's only a fairly recent construct that most humans think this is wrong. White devil desire for land, gold, etc was gonna fuck the Swayes regardless of Jackson. Watch Deadwood for the 6th time. We had a contract!! Still didn't stop Sweargin from going into the Black Hills.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President
Jackson fucked all that up
From that point forward it was over
No one was going to trust whitey after that
Jackson set the stage for a bloody conclusion -
As per usual @creepycoug beats the rap.creepycoug said:Don't forget ... Race was there!
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YellowSnow said:
You're cherry picking one tribe. What Jackson did was horrible. But this isn't proof that the Comanches, Apaches, Sioux, were going to go white. The Nomadic Swayes were completely different than the Eastern Swayes, many of whom were already farmers before Columbus cameRaceBannon said:
The Cherokee went white. Bought farms and followed the rules. It was a blueprint for the futureYellowSnow said:
Disagree. Almost all of human history is one of the stronger tribe fucking over the weaker one and taking their land. It's only a fairly recent construct that most humans think this is wrong. White devil desire for land, gold, etc was gonna fuck the Swayes regardless of Jackson. Watch Deadwood for the 6th time. We had a contract!! Still didn't stop Sweargin from going into the Black Hills.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President
Jackson fucked all that up
From that point forward it was overdancingrowing across the water in the Nina, The Pinta and the Santa Maria. If @Swaye was nomadic injun instead of farmer injun it would still be coke and stripper most likely. -
I'm skeptical that it would have altered history much.RaceBannon said:
I'm showing how it could have workedYellowSnow said:
You're cherry picking one tribe. What Jackson did was horrible. But this isn't proof that the Comanches, Apaches, Sioux, were going to go white. The Nomadic Swayes were completely different than the Eastern Swayes, many of whom were already farmers before Columbus came dancing across the water in the Nina, The Pinta and the Santa Maria. If @Swaye was nomadic injun instead of farmer injun it would still be coke and stripper most likely.RaceBannon said:
The Cherokee went white. Bought farms and followed the rules. It was a blueprint for the futureYellowSnow said:
Disagree. Almost all of human history is one of the stronger tribe fucking over the weaker one and taking their land. It's only a fairly recent construct that most humans think this is wrong. White devil desire for land, gold, etc was gonna fuck the Swayes regardless of Jackson. Watch Deadwood for the 6th time. We had a contract!! Still didn't stop Sweargin from going into the Black Hills.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President
Jackson fucked all that up
From that point forward it was over
No one was going to trust whitey after that
Jackson set the stage for a bloody conclusion -
Worked for Fauxcohantas. She went white, then went back to Cherokee.
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With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.RaceBannon said:
I'm showing how it could have workedYellowSnow said:
You're cherry picking one tribe. What Jackson did was horrible. But this isn't proof that the Comanches, Apaches, Sioux, were going to go white. The Nomadic Swayes were completely different than the Eastern Swayes, many of whom were already farmers before Columbus came dancing across the water in the Nina, The Pinta and the Santa Maria. If @Swaye was nomadic injun instead of farmer injun it would still be coke and stripper most likely.RaceBannon said:
The Cherokee went white. Bought farms and followed the rules. It was a blueprint for the futureYellowSnow said:
Disagree. Almost all of human history is one of the stronger tribe fucking over the weaker one and taking their land. It's only a fairly recent construct that most humans think this is wrong. White devil desire for land, gold, etc was gonna fuck the Swayes regardless of Jackson. Watch Deadwood for the 6th time. We had a contract!! Still didn't stop Sweargin from going into the Black Hills.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President
Jackson fucked all that up
From that point forward it was over
No one was going to trust whitey after that
Jackson set the stage for a bloody conclusion
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
I cry for @Swaye.
Now, back to Trump. -
With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
I cry for @Swaye.
Now, back to Trump. -
Everything you said was Trump's faultcreepycoug said:With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
I cry for @Swaye.
Now, back to Trump. -
You actually typed this up?creepycoug said:With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
I cry for @Swaye.
Now, back to Trump.
Props old man
I don't think I've written anything this long in like 12 years -
I did an in depth report on the Judge Boldt decision on fishing rights that came down while I was in high school
It was the least I could do for the Nisqually tribe who sold me cheap smokes
Dick Gregory got arrested in Olympia protesting and my dad visited him in jail
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Ehhhh, I’d give this trophy to FDR.RaceBannon said:Disagree
Jackson made decisions that fucked us for a century at least in our relations with the Swayes. He took the wrong side. The donor side
I like him as a General. Hate him as a President
Big gubment hack.
I’ll read the rest now...
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The problem with the rez is that it's a free sh*t hand out culture topped off with no natural resistance to alcohol. Then toss is drugs. Last Indian casino I went to I saw one Indian actually working at the casino. The rest were hispanic or white. This wasn't an historic Indian Reservation. In Oregon almost all the reservations were bought out by the Feds in the 1950s. Indians largely took the cash and partied. Small reservations were "restored" after liberal guilt and the crony capitalism that follows Indian casino opportunities around like remoras on sharks. Divorced lady across the street was 1/16th Indian something associated with the Spirit Mountain casino. Never lived near Grand Ronde, OR. She was about as Indian as I am. She did have high cheek bones. Gets a casino check. Her kids are 1/32 Indian, so no checks. Indians did get screwed. Signed pieces of paper that were ignored. But having some white guy with 1/16th Indian out in the Columbia placing gill nets from his power boat to celebrate his historical fishing rights seems a bit twisted.
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They’d both be on my bottom five list.MikeDamone said:
FDR was a piece of shit. As was WilsonYellowSnow said:Saying Jackson is the worst of all time is just woke laziness.
The YellaPiss Top 3 are: Buchanan, Andrew Johnson and Carter. -
True. Not just “free shit” but what the rest of the cultures may provide for a “fee”...Last Indian reservation I was on, the Indians looked for anything that got themWestlinnDuck said:The problem with the rez is that it's a free sh*t hand out culture topped off with no natural resistance to alcohol. Then toss is drugs. Last Indian casino I went to I saw one Indian actually working at the casino. The rest were hispanic or white. This wasn't an historic Indian Reservation. In Oregon almost all the reservations were bought out by the Feds in the 1950s. Indians largely took the cash and partied. Small reservations were "restored" after liberal guilt and the crony capitalism that follows Indian casino opportunities around like remoras on sharks. Divorced lady across the street was 1/16th Indian something associated with the Spirit Mountain casino. Never lived near Grand Ronde, OR. She was about as Indian as I am. She did have high cheek bones. Gets a casino check. Her kids are 1/32 Indian, so no checks. Indians did get screwed. Signed pieces of paper that were ignored. But having some white guy with 1/16th Indian out in the Columbia placing gill nets from his power boat to celebrate his historical fishing rights seems a bit twisted.
“To the next level.” Shooting alcohol straight to shooting wd/40 or battery acid type stuff in their veins. Lost limbs, liver shot, etc....drank firewater like water.
Don’t know if it was hopelessness or addiction but wasn’t pretty with their culture.
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What's that all-important phrase? "In common with ..."? I remember when that whole thing hit the shell fish people who invest $$ to raise oysters and other shell fish on their property. The threat was that the tribe could just roll up and take ... no comp., no nothin'.RaceBannon said:I did an in depth report on the Judge Boldt decision on fishing rights that came down while I was in high school
It was the least I could do for the Nisqually tribe who sold me cheap smokes
Dick Gregory got arrested in Olympia protesting and my dad visited him in jail
Csb
Then again, the Treaty of Olympia (Article 3 is where the offending language can be found - just looked it up - thanks Google!) was a binding contract. Or whatever. -
I've got a lot to say!Pitchfork51 said:
You actually typed this up?creepycoug said:With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
I cry for @Swaye.
Now, back to Trump.
Props old man
I don't think I've written anything this long in like 12 years -
agreed. this is a huge issue on the Quinault. @dflea probably knows more about that.WestlinnDuck said:The problem with the rez is that it's a free sh*t hand out culture topped off with no natural resistance to alcohol. Then toss is drugs. Last Indian casino I went to I saw one Indian actually working at the casino. The rest were hispanic or white. This wasn't an historic Indian Reservation. In Oregon almost all the reservations were bought out by the Feds in the 1950s. Indians largely took the cash and partied. Small reservations were "restored" after liberal guilt and the crony capitalism that follows Indian casino opportunities around like remoras on sharks. Divorced lady across the street was 1/16th Indian something associated with the Spirit Mountain casino. Never lived near Grand Ronde, OR. She was about as Indian as I am. She did have high cheek bones. Gets a casino check. Her kids are 1/32 Indian, so no checks. Indians did get screwed. Signed pieces of paper that were ignored. But having some white guy with 1/16th Indian out in the Columbia placing gill nets from his power boat to celebrate his historical fishing rights seems a bit twisted.
