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It's because Pete was awesome ...sonics1993 said:
Will never understand why people love to take shots at Pete. All he did was lead us to the CFB, win two pac-12 titles and lead us to three new year six bowl games.RaceBannon said:Top two issues I had with Petersen as well
but the perception was that he wasn't "ruthless" enough ... wishing he was a bit more like Don James who would tolerate more "thuggishness", more "play football, not school" - in order to put the absolute best players on the field and push the envelope to the zenith.
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It wasn't too, too long ago that Washington offensive tackle Trey Adams was a potential Round 1 guy. I even had him ranked high last year before he decided to go back to school. But the massive 6-foot-8, 319-pounder had a tough 2019 season after missing nearly all of 2018 due to a back injury, and the combine didn't help him out at all. His 5.60 40 time and 7-foot-8 broad jump were both worst among linemen, and his 24.5-inch vertical tied for the worst. Coming into the combine, I had Adams at No. 74 overall and No. 8 among OTs. He's not an elite athlete, and he struggles with quick inside and fluid double moves. - McShay
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An offense constantly locking down Bryant, Fuller, and Ahmed no wonder we sucked ass, especially in the passing game.
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All our seniors tested awful except Bryant
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Body fat % lol. I mean understandable if you are in the 20+ range but is he training for football or to mode the next P90x video?KrunkJuice said: -
After running a 4.6, I’d say the P90x is much more likely to happen.CuntWaffle said:
Body fat % lol. I mean understandable if you are in the 20+ range but is he training for football or to mode the next P90x video?KrunkJuice said: -
I'm trying to figure out exactly what the grand plan was here. His speed was literally the only thing that was going to get him drafted, and now he bulks up and loses all that?Kingdome_Urinals said:
He put on 7 fucking pounds. That will probably eat into a guy's 40 time, but what do I know.KrunkJuice said:
What was the grand FSP strategy here? The one thing Salvon had going for him was the ability to run a 4.4, but instead you bulk him up and slow him down?
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Say what you want but those photos are skewed anyways this man is not 13% body fat. Tell me where is his body fat he’s mostly likely 10% and dropped it down to 8% but just like football numbers in general they usually give guys and extra inch or round up in weight. I also think something had to be up he just ran a bad day I think. Your telling me someone like Salvon can’t run a sub 4.4 - 4.5 and he’s not even 200lbs while Johnathan Taylor is 31lbs heavier than salvon and ran 4.4? Some days you have good days and some bad going from a 4.31 to a 4.65 in a year has to have more than just adding 7lbs you would have to try to run a 4.65 and also where is the fucking video of him running I want to see this shitCuntWaffle said:
Body fat % lol. I mean understandable if you are in the 20+ range but is he training for football or to mode the next P90x video?KrunkJuice said: -
But he just wants a bigger dick.DoogCourics said:It wasn't too, too long ago that Washington offensive tackle Trey Adams was a potential Round 1 guy. I even had him ranked high last year before he decided to go back to school. But the massive 6-foot-8, 319-pounder had a tough 2019 season after missing nearly all of 2018 due to a back injury, and the combine didn't help him out at all. His 5.60 40 time and 7-foot-8 broad jump were both worst among linemen, and his 24.5-inch vertical tied for the worst. Coming into the combine, I had Adams at No. 74 overall and No. 8 among OTs. He's not an elite athlete, and he struggles with quick inside and fluid double moves. - McShay
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Wow...our senior offensive players testing out as complacent and not focused on football. Who would have guessed?
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Order within the next 10 minutes and we'll throw in your own personalized FSP oven mitt! Shipping and handling not included.KrunkJuice said: -
Former 10-time Pro Bowler Joe Thomas...joeEDangerously said:Anyone still dooging out for Harris?
"Standouts from group OL group #1 were @MekhiBecton from @UofLFootball and Nick Harris from @UW_Football washington"
Nick Shook - NFL.com...
"Standouts I liked most from the two OL sessions: Tristan Wirfs, Jedrick Wills, Nick Harris, Cesar Ruiz, Jack Driscoll, Ezra Cleveland, Danny Pinter, Austin Jackson and Joshua Jones."
Gavino Borquez - NFL Draft Wire...
"My early offensive line favorites from the first on-field portion: Nick Harris (Washington), Jack Driscoll (Auburn), Ezra Cleveland (Boise State) and Matt Hennessy (Temple)."
Jacob Infante - NFL Draft Wire
"Washington OL Nick Harris has lowkey put together an impressive #NFLCombine so far.
"Ran a 5.10 40-yard-dash at 302 pounds and has looked really fluid and agile in movement drills. Looks like a quality Day 2 center prospect."
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I legit feel bad for Trey. He was money the first two years.
Rotoworld's Hayden Winks...
"Had the worst forty (5.60) and broad jump (92 inches) of the group."
Neal Driscoll - Pro Football Network
"Washington OT Trey Adams night not be drafted. Injury history and a really bad combine. At one time, Adams was getting buzz as a first round pick."
NFL.com's Chad Reuter...
"Adams' injury history (a 2017 ACL tear and 2018 back surgery) was well-known coming into the combine, and he needed to shine to make teams consider him for a top-100 selection. A 5.60-second 40 (with a 1.89-second 10-yard split, the second-worst in the group) did not aid that effort. Adams' on-field agility was limited during drills, as well. His experience at tackle was reflected in the kick-slide drill, though. I suspect he'll stick in the league for as long as his back will allow, but Adams will probably have to wait until later in the draft to hear his name called."
Pro Football Focus's Michael Renner...
"There simply aren't a lot of bad athletes on the edge who consistently hold up in pass protection in the league. And there's no way to sugar coat it, Adams' testing was bad. He ‘ran' the slowest 40 (5.6 seconds) and had the worst vertical (24.5 inches) and broad jumps (7-foot-8) of anyone in attendance. After those three, he packed it in for the day. Adams already comes with massive health concerns, and his on-field performances did little to help his draft stock." -
Eason
"Washington QB Jacob Eason throwing a smooth, effortless deep ball with a lot of accuracy. He's not Josh Allen-ing out there in these passing drills, but his tools are clearly a cut above."
Chad Forbes...
"Jacob Eason’s talent is off the charts. Kirby Smart choosing Jake Fromm over Jacob & Justin Fields cost him at least 1 National Championship.
Jake Fromm comp ~ Aaron Murray
Jacob Eason comp ~ Roethlisberger"
Matt Miller - Bleacher Report
"QUARTERBACK WATCH:
Talked to a director of player personnel last night who said Jacob Eason will leave here a top 15 pick.
#Bucs are a natural fit. #Colts could look at QBs in Round 1. And don't rule out trades up the board." -
Hunter
"Harrison Bryant and Hunter Bryant are the two hardest for me to figure out. I expected better times from them. Hunter sat at 4.74 and Harrison sat at 4.73. Bryant just looked very skinny. Hunter looked a bit jittery in movements. Overall, I think both had solid days. It’s hard to separate them but I think both moved well and converted their opportunities. Plus burst but blocking will probably be an issue.
"I think strength separates them. Neither will be a great block but I can see Hunter Bryant winning with power. Maybe it’s me, but it’s shocking how skinny Harrison Bryant looks. No surprise he got 13 reps on the bench which ranked last of any player to participate at the position. Hunter got 23 which is a good number. Catching the ball in traffic and winning with strength, I think Hunter has the edge. Both guys looked super impressive in the back shoulder route."
Ben Standig - The Athletic
"I am watching prospects lift weight. This doesn't seem like good live tweeting material, though some interesting stuff with the TE group (who skipped, etc). Hunter Bryant just did 23 reps at 225. Yowzer."
Rotoworld's Hayden Winks...
"Was expecting high-end speed, but he ran 4.74 in the forty."
Gavino Borquez - NFL Draft Wire
"Bryant is a natural pass catcher, but he ran slower than expected and his blocking was underwhelming when attempting to push the sled." -
No. It’s because they didn’t like his strength coach.animate said:
It's because Pete was awesome ...sonics1993 said:
Will never understand why people love to take shots at Pete. All he did was lead us to the CFB, win two pac-12 titles and lead us to three new year six bowl games.RaceBannon said:Top two issues I had with Petersen as well
but the perception was that he wasn't "ruthless" enough ... wishing he was a bit more like Don James who would tolerate more "thuggishness", more "play football, not school" - in order to put the absolute best players on the field and push the envelope to the zenith. -
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He was very good his first two years, but may have been overrated even back then. He got destroyed by USC and gave up a first drive sack vs ASU the next game that had me questioning whether it was a blip or if he was overrated. The injuries the next two years didn’t help.DoogCourics said:I legit feel bad for Trey. He was money the first two years.
Rotoworld's Hayden Winks...
"Had the worst forty (5.60) and broad jump (92 inches) of the group."
Neal Driscoll - Pro Football Network
"Washington OT Trey Adams night not be drafted. Injury history and a really bad combine. At one time, Adams was getting buzz as a first round pick."
NFL.com's Chad Reuter...
"Adams' injury history (a 2017 ACL tear and 2018 back surgery) was well-known coming into the combine, and he needed to shine to make teams consider him for a top-100 selection. A 5.60-second 40 (with a 1.89-second 10-yard split, the second-worst in the group) did not aid that effort. Adams' on-field agility was limited during drills, as well. His experience at tackle was reflected in the kick-slide drill, though. I suspect he'll stick in the league for as long as his back will allow, but Adams will probably have to wait until later in the draft to hear his name called."
Pro Football Focus's Michael Renner...
"There simply aren't a lot of bad athletes on the edge who consistently hold up in pass protection in the league. And there's no way to sugar coat it, Adams' testing was bad. He ‘ran' the slowest 40 (5.6 seconds) and had the worst vertical (24.5 inches) and broad jumps (7-foot-8) of anyone in attendance. After those three, he packed it in for the day. Adams already comes with massive health concerns, and his on-field performances did little to help his draft stock." -
Did he grow over the weekend or block any good D-lineman yet?DoogCourics said:
Former 10-time Pro Bowler Joe Thomas...joeEDangerously said:Anyone still dooging out for Harris?
"Standouts from group OL group #1 were @MekhiBecton from @UofLFootball and Nick Harris from @UW_Football washington"
Nick Shook - NFL.com...
"Standouts I liked most from the two OL sessions: Tristan Wirfs, Jedrick Wills, Nick Harris, Cesar Ruiz, Jack Driscoll, Ezra Cleveland, Danny Pinter, Austin Jackson and Joshua Jones."
Gavino Borquez - NFL Draft Wire...
"My early offensive line favorites from the first on-field portion: Nick Harris (Washington), Jack Driscoll (Auburn), Ezra Cleveland (Boise State) and Matt Hennessy (Temple)."
Jacob Infante - NFL Draft Wire
"Washington OL Nick Harris has lowkey put together an impressive #NFLCombine so far.
"Ran a 5.10 40-yard-dash at 302 pounds and has looked really fluid and agile in movement drills. Looks like a quality Day 2 center prospect." -
Why are you hanging onto this? It’s dumb.joeEDangerously said:
Did he grow over the weekend or block any good D-lineman yet?DoogCourics said:
Former 10-time Pro Bowler Joe Thomas...joeEDangerously said:Anyone still dooging out for Harris?
"Standouts from group OL group #1 were @MekhiBecton from @UofLFootball and Nick Harris from @UW_Football washington"
Nick Shook - NFL.com...
"Standouts I liked most from the two OL sessions: Tristan Wirfs, Jedrick Wills, Nick Harris, Cesar Ruiz, Jack Driscoll, Ezra Cleveland, Danny Pinter, Austin Jackson and Joshua Jones."
Gavino Borquez - NFL Draft Wire...
"My early offensive line favorites from the first on-field portion: Nick Harris (Washington), Jack Driscoll (Auburn), Ezra Cleveland (Boise State) and Matt Hennessy (Temple)."
Jacob Infante - NFL Draft Wire
"Washington OL Nick Harris has lowkey put together an impressive #NFLCombine so far.
"Ran a 5.10 40-yard-dash at 302 pounds and has looked really fluid and agile in movement drills. Looks like a quality Day 2 center prospect." -
Is this a trick question?RoadDawg55 said:
Why are you hanging onto this? It’s dumb.joeEDangerously said:
Did he grow over the weekend or block any good D-lineman yet?DoogCourics said:
Former 10-time Pro Bowler Joe Thomas...joeEDangerously said:Anyone still dooging out for Harris?
"Standouts from group OL group #1 were @MekhiBecton from @UofLFootball and Nick Harris from @UW_Football washington"
Nick Shook - NFL.com...
"Standouts I liked most from the two OL sessions: Tristan Wirfs, Jedrick Wills, Nick Harris, Cesar Ruiz, Jack Driscoll, Ezra Cleveland, Danny Pinter, Austin Jackson and Joshua Jones."
Gavino Borquez - NFL Draft Wire...
"My early offensive line favorites from the first on-field portion: Nick Harris (Washington), Jack Driscoll (Auburn), Ezra Cleveland (Boise State) and Matt Hennessy (Temple)."
Jacob Infante - NFL Draft Wire
"Washington OL Nick Harris has lowkey put together an impressive #NFLCombine so far.
"Ran a 5.10 40-yard-dash at 302 pounds and has looked really fluid and agile in movement drills. Looks like a quality Day 2 center prospect." -
What are those percentiles of?insinceredawg said: -
https://3sigmaathlete.com/Mad_Son said:
What are those percentiles of?insinceredawg said:
The percentiles are where their pSPARQ places them among current NFL players.
@RaceBannon and I were first in being right. After getting our asses kicked all year long in the 2nd half and then this, fire Socha. -
Probably a little simple. So they were fast/strong enough to build leads against Utah and Oregon but then suddenly weren't fast or strong? The combine tests aren't muscle endurance or cardio tests, so if this narrative were true they would likely do fine in the combine tests except for the bench, the one muscle endurance test. But Hunter did fine in that.Emoterman said:
https://3sigmaathlete.com/Mad_Son said:
What are those percentiles of?insinceredawg said:
The percentiles are where their pSPARQ places them among current NFL players.
@RaceBannon and I were first in being right. After getting our asses kicked all year long in the 2nd half and then this, fire Socha.
More likely we were weak mentally and had shit offensive coaching that couldn't adjust once the opponent's defense got their shit together. -
For comparison, to see if this is a training room issue, past guys:
Budda - 36%
Ross - 96
Dissly - 17
BBK - 85
Gaines - 40
Gaskin - 31
Kaleb - 84
Jordan - 22
Byron - 46
Rapp - 32
King Kevoo - 99
Sample - 52
Socha was here, right? Only have two guys approaching the low numbers of this year's crop; makes it seem like an anomaly.
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"Suddenly their poor conditioning led to them getting their asses kicked" would plainly be the argument that I was making. Failed conditioning evidenced by getting asses kicked in the final 1/3rd of the game, and failing at bigger, faster, stronger evidenced by not a single combine attendee that cracked the top 2/3 in testing. They can both be true, no? What am I missing? Not sure what one of our players having a very specific form of endurance is even meant to be evidence of.RealRhino said:
Probably a little simple. So they were fast/strong enough to build leads against Utah and Oregon but then suddenly weren't fast or strong? The combine tests aren't muscle endurance or cardio tests, so if this narrative were true they would likely do fine in the combine tests except for the bench, the one muscle endurance test. But Hunter did fine in that.Emoterman said:
https://3sigmaathlete.com/Mad_Son said:
What are those percentiles of?insinceredawg said:
The percentiles are where their pSPARQ places them among current NFL players.
@RaceBannon and I were first in being right. After getting our asses kicked all year long in the 2nd half and then this, fire Socha.
More likely we were weak mentally and had shit offensive coaching that couldn't adjust once the opponent's defense got their shit together.
I do accede that Pete having checked out from January 2019 on probably trickled down in suppressed morale team wide. People can easily tell when someone has lost passion, and when it's your philosophical manager CEO who wants to instill the values of hard work who has abandoned you spiritually, it would be super easy to let your ethic slide and slack off. But, it could be argued that that is specifically Socha's job to instill that ethic, and whether it's his fault or not, he has the taint of losing and failure on him with empirically bad results; the taint is on the whole staff, which is why it's shocking to me so many of them were retained, especially if this is the argument being made for 2nd half collapses as opposed to the quotidian explanation of lacking conditioning. -
Wow, this seemed like the potential weakness in the argument that Socha sucks, but other than genetic freaks Ross, McGary, and King (I'm implicitly arguing that they'd score high with or without S&C), everyone except BBK barely average, and even including BBK's 85th %, the average percentile of the moldable clay is 40th; 34th plucking out self-motivating BBK.RealRhino said:For comparison, to see if this is a training room issue, past guys:
Budda - 36%
Ross - 96
Dissly - 17
BBK - 85
Gaines - 40
Gaskin - 31
Kaleb - 84
Jordan - 22
Byron - 46
Rapp - 32
King Kevoo - 99
Sample - 52
Socha was here, right? Only have two guys approaching the low numbers of this year's crop; makes it seem like an anomaly.
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We’ll see with Socha. I agree that Pete checking out subconsciously had an effect on the whole program.
We have always sucked in close games under Pete and I’ve always had a hypothesis that Pete’s high strung personality played a role.
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"The list of inputs for my NFL version of SPARQ, pSPARQ, are as follows: weight, forty-yard dash, ten-yard split, short shuttle, 3-cone drill, bench press, vertical jump, and broad jump."RoadDawg55 said:We’ll see with Socha. I agree that Pete checking out subconsciously had an effect on the whole program.
We have always sucked in close games under Pete and I’ve always had a hypothesis that Pete’s high strung personality played a role.
Is the percentile shit a sparks score? Are we grading 40’s or everything they do at the combine? -
It’s not impressive, but guys like Gaines, Gaskin, and Myles Bryant were never going to do well in a combine type setting. Equally concerning is that the instincts of the team have also drastically decreased.Emoterman said:
"The list of inputs for my NFL version of SPARQ, pSPARQ, are as follows: weight, forty-yard dash, ten-yard split, short shuttle, 3-cone drill, bench press, vertical jump, and broad jump."RoadDawg55 said:We’ll see with Socha. I agree that Pete checking out subconsciously had an effect on the whole program.
We have always sucked in close games under Pete and I’ve always had a hypothesis that Pete’s high strung personality played a role.
Is the percentile shit a sparks score? Are we grading 40’s or everything they do at the combine?
Gaskin, Gaines, Rapp, BBK, Jones, Murphy (to a lesser extent) and a few others were not great because of their athleticism, but their football IQ. I would love to see a team that is huge and dominant up front with smart players behind it. We used to have a lot of guys that were really fucking good because they had elite instincts.
Rapp, Baker, Jones, and BBK were special players in that regard.
