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Another religious nut telling us how to live. How about we separate church and state?
Typical leftist - Jesus wants you to pay more taxes
And of course we all know how much she thinks everyone is awesome. JFC imagine falling for the shit this gal says -
Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.RaceBannon said:
Another religious nut telling us how to live. How about we separate church and state?
Typical leftist - Jesus wants you to pay more taxes
And of course we all know how much she thinks everyone is awesome. JFC imagine falling for the shit this gal says
AOC thinks she is Caesar. Fuck that.
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Caesar is sacred and holyPurpleThrobber said:
Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.RaceBannon said:
Another religious nut telling us how to live. How about we separate church and state?
Typical leftist - Jesus wants you to pay more taxes
And of course we all know how much she thinks everyone is awesome. JFC imagine falling for the shit this gal says
AOC thinks she is Caesar. Fuck that.
We are all Caesar in the USA.
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Lotta transphobes and theocrats up in here.
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What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said: -
Fuck Caesar. Hail Caesar.dnc said:
Caesar is sacred and holyPurpleThrobber said:
Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.RaceBannon said:
Another religious nut telling us how to live. How about we separate church and state?
Typical leftist - Jesus wants you to pay more taxes
And of course we all know how much she thinks everyone is awesome. JFC imagine falling for the shit this gal says
AOC thinks she is Caesar. Fuck that.
We are all Caesar in the USA.
I am Spartacus.
And Batman.
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Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
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The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
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I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
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Supporting trans athletes is the dumbest of the dumb things that the left supports.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
The whole pro transgender argument is that sex and gender aren't the same thing.
Sports aren't split into male and female because of social gender, they're split because of biological sex.
A biological male weightlifter dominating biological female weightlifters isn't news. It's common fucking sense.
And exactly the reason female sports exist in the first place.
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Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already. -
Not just large segments, we are talking the overwhelming majority in this country and the world think that having men dressed up as women competing with women is bullshit.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
If rats feel so strongly, give them their own Olympics. There are Special Olympics, Paraplegic Olympics, Masters Olympics even Porn Olympics. We can call it the Science Denier Olympics. Maybe that will make them feel better.
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What tiny niche is the right focused on?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
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I think the religious left is dismantling our society and allowing trannies to compete in female sports is just a tiny part of that dismantling. And the people who are OUTRAGED over a baker refusing to bake a gay wedding cake are the Religious Left, not the religious right.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already.
Take a look at what the religious left wants to do with the Green New Deal and then get back to me on how I'm over stating my case. -
In this case, trannies. The energy around trannies is 99.9% derived from the left & right screaming at each other over a minuscule population that matters not the slightest in the aggregate. Treat citizens as citizens, people as people, first & foremost, then deal with any outlier cases as they appear, not before.SFGbob said:
What tiny niche is the right focused on?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
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You're still on this eh? It's a little obsessive, especially considering that it's not factually accurate to say that I have an "irrational fear" of the religious right.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
I'd be as, or more, concerned if the Muslim or other religious sect ever got traction enough to legislate religious values from their own point of view. Basically, I'd rather not have to succumb to people who claim to have talked to someone in the sky who gave them the right answers that the rest of us weren't lucky enough to hear.
I'm not sure why that's been such a challenge for you to understand. You seem to take, and demand others take, an all or nothing approach. I don't like religiously pious people. Of any stripe. Period. If you don't like that I'm sorry, but it's tuff shit; it's how I see things. Given that's my take, how could I not include Christianity in the United States as but one rather significant example?
I just still don't really understand why you're worked up over this. My views on transgender have been pretty well and honestly laid out. I'm skeptical of it because I don't think we know a lot about it and I suspect, but do not know, that mental illness may be at work. And I'm well aware of the left's tendency to embrace anything and everything that they view is being oppressed or outside the norm. That's one of their things. So that's one issue. Another group, who won't rest until abortion is illegal, is another issue. And yet another group who might want to make women cover their heads and faces in the US would be another issue. I look at them independently. -
Agreed.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
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In principle and theory yes. But when one team is changing restrooms and athletic contests which matter to parents there is going to be a push backGrundleStiltzkin said:
In this case, trannies. The energy around trannies is 99.9% derived from the left & right screaming at each other over a minuscule population that matters not the slightest in the aggregate. Treat citizens as citizens, people as people, first & foremost, then deal with any outlier cases as they appear, not before.SFGbob said:
What tiny niche is the right focused on?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
It doesn't effect me and in fact I like gender neutral bathrooms because better seats for me. -
It really does take away from stuff like transients shitting on sidewalks, illegals killing US citizens and heroin camps popping up all over the west coast.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already.
We call that the old bait and switch/look, a squirrel approach. Very effective defection technique.
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There is a lot more nuance here than you seem to ever care to acknowledge. The gay cake is a tough issue because they were being asked to effectively participate in religious ceremony that cuts across their own beliefs. I get that ... to a point. I don't get, even to a point, the government worker who won't issue a marriage license in a state that has deemed it legal. Two different cases. I also wouldn't be terribly supportive of the Christian bakers refusing to serve gay people on any terms ... like not selling them an apple pie for a picnic. Again, nuance.SFGbob said:
I think the religious left is dismantling our society and allowing trannies to compete in female sports is just a tiny part of that dismantling. And the people who are OUTRAGED over a baker refusing to bake a gay wedding cake are the Religious Left, not the religious right.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already.
Take a look at what the religious left wants to do with the Green New Deal and then get back to me on how I'm over stating my case.
No, my kids should never have to compete with someone who is biologically a man. It's fucking stupid. I live in Seattle and don't know a single progressive who thinks that makes any sense. On the other hand, I know A LOT of right leaning people who think abortion should be illegal under all but the most limited of circumstances, and of those, almost 100% base that view on religious principle. I also know right leaning people who oppose it but think it's good policy to keep it legal and in the hands of the medical community.
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We have men and women divisions. Why not have "male to female" and "female to male" transgender divisions?
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When I baptize lefties they usually catch fire!dnc said:
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Agree, they matter not. Then why in the fuck are we allowing them to ruin girls sports. I'm not forcing my values on anyone else, they're forcing their values on me.GrundleStiltzkin said:
In this case, trannies. The energy around trannies is 99.9% derived from the left & right screaming at each other over a minuscule population that matters not the slightest in the aggregate. Treat citizens as citizens, people as people, first & foremost, then deal with any outlier cases as they appear, not before.SFGbob said:
What tiny niche is the right focused on?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
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When you claim the religious right is having an negative impact on your life that's greater than what the religious left is doing then yes you have an irrational fear.creepycoug said:
You're still on this eh? It's a little obsessive, especially considering that it's not factually accurate to say that I have an "irrational fear" of the religious right.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
I'd be as, or more, concerned if the Muslim or other religious sect ever got traction enough to legislate religious values from their own point of view. Basically, I'd rather not have to succumb to people who claim to have talked to someone in the sky who gave them the right answers that the rest of us weren't lucky enough to hear.
I'm not sure why that's been such a challenge for you to understand. You seem to take, and demand others take, an all or nothing approach. I don't like religiously pious people. Of any stripe. Period. If you don't like that I'm sorry, but it's tuff shit; it's how I see things. Given that's my take, how could I not include Christianity in the United States as but one rather significant example?
I just still don't really understand why you're worked up over this. My views on transgender have been pretty well and honestly laid out. I'm skeptical of it because I don't think we know a lot about it and I suspect, but do not know, that mental illness may be at work. And I'm well aware of the left's tendency to embrace anything and everything that they view is being oppressed or outside the norm. That's one of their things. So that's one issue. Another group, who won't rest until abortion is illegal, is another issue. And yet another group who might want to make women cover their heads and faces in the US would be another issue. I look at them independently.
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Set aside religion, where does one draw the line of humanity? Everyone agrees taking innocent human life is wrong.creepycoug said:
There is a lot more nuance here than you seem to ever care to acknowledge. The gay cake is a tough issue because they were being asked to effectively participate in religious ceremony that cuts across their own beliefs. I get that ... to a point. I don't get, even to a point, the government worker who won't issue a marriage license in a state that has deemed it legal. Two different cases. I also wouldn't be terribly supportive of the Christian bakers refusing to serve gay people on any terms ... like not selling them an apple pie for a picnic. Again, nuance.SFGbob said:
I think the religious left is dismantling our society and allowing trannies to compete in female sports is just a tiny part of that dismantling. And the people who are OUTRAGED over a baker refusing to bake a gay wedding cake are the Religious Left, not the religious right.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already.
Take a look at what the religious left wants to do with the Green New Deal and then get back to me on how I'm over stating my case.
No, my kids should never have to compete with someone who is biologically a man. It's fucking stupid. I live in Seattle and don't know a single progressive who thinks that makes any sense. On the other hand, I know A LOT of right leaning people who think abortion should be illegal under all but the most limited of circumstances, and of those, almost 100% base that view on religious principle. I also know right leaning people who oppose it but think it's good policy to keep it legal and in the hands of the medical community.
Everyone agrees a baby upon breathing oxygen is human.
Virtually everyone should agree the same baby before traveling the birth canal is human.
It becomes a very slippery slope from there to say exactly at which point it becomes human.
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Pretty sure refusing service to a MAGA hat guy would be heroic
We lost the right to refuse service during the civil rights battles.
Yet today the left embraces states rights and refusal of service on their terms
The bakery thing was planned. Just for Christians
Our Islamic friends hate the gays more but get a pass
There is going to be a backlash to bullshit
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Reasonable people at one time agreed the first trimester was the line of demarcation.dnc said:
Set aside religion, where does one draw the line of humanity? Everyone agrees taking innocent human life is wrong.creepycoug said:
There is a lot more nuance here than you seem to ever care to acknowledge. The gay cake is a tough issue because they were being asked to effectively participate in religious ceremony that cuts across their own beliefs. I get that ... to a point. I don't get, even to a point, the government worker who won't issue a marriage license in a state that has deemed it legal. Two different cases. I also wouldn't be terribly supportive of the Christian bakers refusing to serve gay people on any terms ... like not selling them an apple pie for a picnic. Again, nuance.SFGbob said:
I think the religious left is dismantling our society and allowing trannies to compete in female sports is just a tiny part of that dismantling. And the people who are OUTRAGED over a baker refusing to bake a gay wedding cake are the Religious Left, not the religious right.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already.
Take a look at what the religious left wants to do with the Green New Deal and then get back to me on how I'm over stating my case.
No, my kids should never have to compete with someone who is biologically a man. It's fucking stupid. I live in Seattle and don't know a single progressive who thinks that makes any sense. On the other hand, I know A LOT of right leaning people who think abortion should be illegal under all but the most limited of circumstances, and of those, almost 100% base that view on religious principle. I also know right leaning people who oppose it but think it's good policy to keep it legal and in the hands of the medical community.
Everyone agrees a baby upon breathing oxygen is human.
Virtually everyone should agree the same baby before traveling the birth canal is human.
It becomes a very slippery slope from there to say exactly at which point it becomes human.
I'm not against abortion in all cases but being against abortion in all cases makes a hell of a lot more sense than being for abortion in all cases.
And I'm too lazy to look but I'm sure the extreme right then went first to the 'murder' angle and couldn't live with what the reasonable people had come up with. So then the extremists on the other side feel threatened and demand 'pro-choice' later and later and so it goes back and forth.....
Reasonable people played smear the queer. It's time to take back reasonableness which is why I think the leftists are going to get absolutely destroyed in the upcoming election.
Then I think either Ivanka's hot ass is going to run, in which case its no contest...or the Dems finally wise the fuck up and run a moderate human in 2024.
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I've found that being able to use single stalled womens' restrooms when the mens' is taken, and have the defense of "don't judge me, I identify as a woman", to be a nice thing to have in the back pocket.RaceBannon said:
In principle and theory yes. But when one team is changing restrooms and athletic contests which matter to parents there is going to be a push backGrundleStiltzkin said:
In this case, trannies. The energy around trannies is 99.9% derived from the left & right screaming at each other over a minuscule population that matters not the slightest in the aggregate. Treat citizens as citizens, people as people, first & foremost, then deal with any outlier cases as they appear, not before.SFGbob said:
What tiny niche is the right focused on?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
It doesn't effect me and in fact I like gender neutral bathrooms because better seats for me.
I haven't had to use that line yet, but I have the option, and that's what's important.
