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RaceBannon
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Stone gets three years. Down from the 9 that was going to be handed out

Trump Tweets win again.

Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano said on “Fox & Friends” on Thursday, the day former Trump adviser Roger Stone was set to be sentenced after the federal judge overseeing the case refused demands to delay the trial, that “only a pardon can fairly undo this mess.”

“This is not about politics and it's not about friendship, it's about the Constitution and human decency,” Napolitano added.

Napolitano made the comments on Thursday, two days after U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson indicated during a pre-sentence hearing that she planned to move forward with Stone’s sentencing, which comes after his defense made a second request for a new trial earlier this month in the wake of revelations of possible political bias of a juror in his first case.

When asked what should happen on Thursday, Napolitano said, “The judge should interrogate this foreperson about her biases against the president.”

He went on to say that “The judge should interrogate the departed prosecutors about what they knew about this foreperson and when they knew it and why they quit. And then determine whether or not the integrity of Stone's trial was adversely affected by this juror. It seems inconceivable that it was not.”

Napolitano was referring to the mass resignation of the Justice Department prosecutors from the Stone case after senior leadership overruled their recommendation of a prison sentence from 87 to 108 months. The mass withdrawal, which happened after Attorney General William Barr intervened in Stone’s sentencing, caused Democrats to accuse President Donald Trump of interfering in the process – by earlier tweeting about his displeasure with the Justice Department. Trump denied it.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,436
    I'm no litigator ... perhaps one of them can clarify ... but the judge could have issued a JNOV if he/she believed that no reasonable jury could have reached the conclusion they reached. I've never heard of a judge "interrogating" a jury foreman. The jury is the jury; it's the job of the lawyers to vet them during voir dire. The judge runs the circus, so if the jury is fucking around or doing something else in appropriate during the course of the trial, then the judge has to act. If they don't, they don't and presumably they (the judge) thought that it was ok to move foward.

    So then you're at "well, then the judge must have bias; interrogate him." And then we have tweets.

    Our system isn't perfect but it's the only one we got. Trump is free to express his displeasure. I would hope the people who man the judicial branch of government are able to ignore it and do their jobs to the best of their abilities.

    We all change our minds about justice depending on whether we're getting what we want. Swap some democratic operative in there and we're not worried about the foreman's bias. That's about all I know.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,267 Founders Club
    And check the history on the judge. She's Muellers hit man.

    Out of all the bullshit Manafort and Stone are all he got and none of it had to do with collusion
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,861 Swaye's Wigwam
    I guess I am totally confused on this part

    The mass withdrawal, which happened after Attorney General William Barr intervened in Stone’s sentencing

    I heard, and unfortunately I did not note who said it, that it was an underling of Barr's that originally stated that the recommended sentencing was too much. The prosecutors threatened to withdraw if he followed up by going against their recommendation. Barr only confirmed the guy's lessening of the sentence.

    My feelings about the juror screw up; is that the defense atty was deliberate in ignoring her - then trying for a mistrial

    Now my final question - was I correct in the use of the semi-colon or should it have been a colon in the previous sentence?
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,604
    RaceBannon said:

    The judge picked this jury including the partisan foreman

    I'll go with Nip on this because he hates Trump so he's probably being fair

    The judge didn't pick the jury or elect the foreman.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roger-stone-juror-seth-cousins-defends-forewoman-tomeka-hart-after-trumps-claim-of-significant-bias/ar-BB10cXYp?ocid=spartandhp
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,436
    edited February 2020
    LebamDawg said:

    I guess I am totally confused on this part

    The mass withdrawal, which happened after Attorney General William Barr intervened in Stone’s sentencing

    I heard, and unfortunately I did not note who said it, that it was an underling of Barr's that originally stated that the recommended sentencing was too much. The prosecutors threatened to withdraw if he followed up by going against their recommendation. Barr only confirmed the guy's lessening of the sentence.

    My feelings about the juror screw up; is that the defense atty was deliberate in ignoring her - then trying for a mistrial

    Now my final question - was I correct in the use of the semi-colon or should it have been a colon in the previous sentence?

    Colon. And drop "is that".
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,267 Founders Club
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