UW - Maine Gamethread

GayThoughts said:

GayThoughts said:

Jaden looks like a fringe 4-star guy that blew up off 1 good spring circuit.

vindication bump

To be fair, he looks like a fringe 2 star guy.

Houhusky said:

Better game/team recap:

Maine sucks, equivalent of a IMA team that has a full time div2 womens basketball coach.

Defense:

The defense isnt nearly as good as many people are saying it is. It is heavily reliant on out athleting everyone across the floor. And they get away with it against teams like Maine or in openers in high school gyms in Alaska but it isnt really sustainable long term through a decent Pac12 or for a deep run into the tournament against good teams.

- When in zone, teams are regularly able to get the ball between the top and the base of the zone.
- Hop clearly wants to play Mcdaniels across the top of the zone (logical)
- Mcdaniels defense at the top is mediocre at stopping the interior pass to the elbow or high post and doesnt help from behind in any way like Thybulle did.
- resorting to playing man against Maine rather rather practicing the lock down zone is not good.
- The length is great, its covering up fundamental flaws in the defense, the middle of the zone is too easily penetrated and the defense is not collapsing correctly once the penetration has occurred. Stewart is cleaning up many of the top of the zone mistakes.

Offense:

The offense is still the same Chris Petersen Babushka offense. Park Stewart (or timmons) low block and ISO or run Horns... There are so few ball screens, which is insane to me. The team is hyper athletic, have Stewart set a ball screen for Mcdaniels or Naz. The offense is also obviously suffering because no one can just stand in the corner and be a knock down 3pt shooter to spread the floor. I think @Tequilla is also on the right track when it comes to actually executing screens for each other and coming off the screens with a purpose. There is a ton of work to be done on the offense both from a scheme and execution standpoint.

With the youth, athleticism, and size all over the floor the offense should be a motion or ball screen offense not a iso low post block offense.

Other:

- Quade is Gaddy, he has relatively low athleticism and isnt a great shooter. On a bad team is he bad, on a good team he is fine.
- Mcdaniels does look like he has a bit of an attitude "thing". IMO he is just to used to dominating the game without really having to focus hard on team play or the little things that make people successful in high levels of play.
- Stewart is holding things together and is incredible. Without Stewart the team would fall apart, he is doing more than his job on both the offense and the defense and looks like a great leader.

No surprise I was dialed in before Maine...

Special fuck you to the dumbfucks that parroted the doog line of the team improving more than other teams as the year progresses.

Tequilla said:

Houhusky said:

Houhusky said:

Better game/team recap:

Maine sucks, equivalent of a IMA team that has a full time div2 womens basketball coach.

Defense:

The defense isnt nearly as good as many people are saying it is. It is heavily reliant on out athleting everyone across the floor. And they get away with it against teams like Maine or in openers in high school gyms in Alaska but it isnt really sustainable long term through a decent Pac12 or for a deep run into the tournament against good teams.

- When in zone, teams are regularly able to get the ball between the top and the base of the zone.
- Hop clearly wants to play Mcdaniels across the top of the zone (logical)
- Mcdaniels defense at the top is mediocre at stopping the interior pass to the elbow or high post and doesnt help from behind in any way like Thybulle did.
- resorting to playing man against Maine rather rather practicing the lock down zone is not good.
- The length is great, its covering up fundamental flaws in the defense, the middle of the zone is too easily penetrated and the defense is not collapsing correctly once the penetration has occurred. Stewart is cleaning up many of the top of the zone mistakes.

Offense:

The offense is still the same Chris Petersen Babushka offense. Park Stewart (or timmons) low block and ISO or run Horns... There are so few ball screens, which is insane to me. The team is hyper athletic, have Stewart set a ball screen for Mcdaniels or Naz. The offense is also obviously suffering because no one can just stand in the corner and be a knock down 3pt shooter to spread the floor. I think @Tequilla is also on the right track when it comes to actually executing screens for each other and coming off the screens with a purpose. There is a ton of work to be done on the offense both from a scheme and execution standpoint.

With the youth, athleticism, and size all over the floor the offense should be a motion or ball screen offense not a iso low post block offense.

Other:

- Quade is Gaddy, he has relatively low athleticism and isnt a great shooter. On a bad team is he bad, on a good team he is fine.
- Mcdaniels does look like he has a bit of an attitude "thing". IMO he is just to used to dominating the game without really having to focus hard on team play or the little things that make people successful in high levels of play.
- Stewart is holding things together and is incredible. Without Stewart the team would fall apart, he is doing more than his job on both the offense and the defense and looks like a great leader.

No surprise I was dialed in before Maine...

Special fuck you to the dumbfucks that parroted the doog line of the team improving more than other teams as the year progresses.

This team is where it is for a number of reasons:

1) Jaden has the tools to be a high end player but when adversity hit him instead of rising to the challenge he has continuously shrunk. It’s important to remember that regardless of how talented a kid is coming out of HS they have to prove it at the next level.

2) The Quade odyssey set this team back with a poised on court leader that made good decisions

3) It is staggering how bad some basic fundamentals are like screening, cutting with purpose, off ball movement and entry passes are

4) Defensively the effort is inconsistent ... most staggering is players just not getting on the floor

5) I think the light has gone on for Wright, Tsohonis and Battle will be better off for this season and their experience

6) The most concerning part of the program right now is 2020 recruiting ... there is going to be a lot of attrition after this year ... going to need a lot of grad transfers

You're words come easy, but this "hoops" team doesn't seem to be worth even that.

RoadDawg55 said:

Hop gotta go. Yeah, it’s only one bad year, but he was planning on a great year to give him leeway/get another job and has zero recruits. He fucked us. We should feel stupid for buying in. If we don’t fire him, we are making a mistake.

Yeah all signs point to Hop banking on Mcdaniels and Stewart carrying him to another program immediately after this year and already focusing on his move.

ZERO fucking recruiting
Letting Quade become academically ineligible
Naz and Bey zero off season development
No offensive coaching/scheme
playing Man defense in dreck preseason games rather than perfecting his defensive system

Everything at the start of the season says short term thinking and checked out of the long term development of the program.


I think he probably now knows that door is shut because he fucked up.

Bey, Tshonis, Battle, and Naz all have enough there that they should be an adequate guard group. Wright is fine as a big wing as long as he isnt asked to do anything with the ball in his hands and he has actually been ok from 3 the past 5 games.

We are stuck with Hop, better hope he has some actual development skills, there is enough in the program to still be alright which makes the recruiting fuckup and lack of player development so fucking irritating.