PM to the Nega Mariners in here

dnc said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

He_Needs_More_Time said:

Can't we just be happy with 4-1?

Can't you just fist-fuck yourself Cockus and your mariners. Win 3 lose three. Every year people get excited because the m's are 4-1 to start the season. Then they go 1-4. Lather, rinse repeat all fucking year.

You're so hard up for a winner in your life because you failed so miserably. Go to the woods, go fishing, hiking, something - anything but posting on this bored 24-7.

You mad bro?

That's like his only posts he can have. Then others fire back at him he goes runs and hides. His silence in the SEC thread speaks volumes.

Orange was right about him. It's the same exact post every single time.

Yeah the running and hiding part gets old, but the tough guy act coupled with running to Derek constantly gets a little old too. Don't start of a lot of s*** if you don't want to face the consequences. I've been on these stupid message boards for about 11.5 years. I have only pm'd the owners a couple of times - once to Derek about LOSER, & once to a different site about a psycho Oregon State troll who had already been banned before

FO, G?

nope

Howard Lincoln is still pulling the strings and the ST's expose made it sound like most of our best scouts left the organization. Our pitching should be reasonably good once Iwakuma is back (Walker could be good but is still pretty much a rookie) so once again, the season is on the Jack Z guys like Smoak and Ackley (both occupying positions where hitters need to produce) and his signing of Hart / trade for Morrison to provide more slugging from DH / RF.

This is Saunders' last shot to prove he's not a AAAA player...he needed that hit today badly.

A lot of things need to go well just to get to 85 wins and that includes injuries (would really hurt if Zunino or Almonte went down for an extended period of time beyond needing Cano to play 150+ games).

Puppy's recent silence in this thread speaks volumes

dhdawg said:

the pitching will be really good. I don't think anyone can deny a rotation of felix, iwakuma, paxton, walker, and elias or ramirez isn't in or at least near the top 7 or 8 rotations in baseball. The bullpen with Rodney, Fahrquar, Furbush and hopefully Wilhelmsen is also fine.
As you said the season will come down to Smoak, Ackley and Miller. As I said in my formula to winning baseball they need a supplemental guy to cano, hopefully smoak, and 3 to 4 good hitters in the lineup.
If Cano can be the superstar
if Smoak is the supplemental piece
if Ackley, Miller, Almonte, and seager can be the 3 to 4 complimentary pieces and the bullpen holds up they can compete for a playoff spot.
All big ifs though. Right now I see a roughly 500 team

It's a potentially solid rotation, but way too early to call it a top 7 or 8. I'm not buying it. Way too many ifs. To me they have Felix and Iwakuma, who is still out for another month. The rest are question marks. Walker and Paxton probably have innings restrictions and are unproven. They would be far from the first pitching prospects to not pan out or completely breakdown health wise. Walker might not even be ready yet. He's only 21. He didn't dominate in AAA last year and had a 4.69 ERA at Jackson in 2012. Ramirez is okay, but hasn't shown to be anything special yet. He seems like he will eventually be solid though. I saw Elias' name in a box score but have no clue who he even is.

CuntWaffle said:

Paxton has killed it in his 4 or 5 big league starts

So did Felix, and then he struggled for awhile. Felix was great when he first came and then struggled for a year and a half. Paxton wasn't killing it in the minors last year. Both him and Walker have talent, but who knows if they can put it all together in a consistent matter at this point.

exactly, and it isn't like the MLB is full of solid rotations.
who is better?
Definitely the dodgers cardinals tigers and Rays, those teams for sure.
Then who? Giants? no, Cain and Lincecum are shells of their former selves. Indians, maybe, but their situation with Kluber/Salazar is very much like the mariners and they don't have the guys at the top the mariners do. Red Sox, there's no ace in that rotation, and please don't say lester. Rangers are a dumpster fire right now. Pirates, maybe. But Liriano has done it for one year and there is still plenty of question marks there. The braves? they started Aaron Harang the other day. The royals are very similar to the mariners.
Please find me 7 to 8 rotations that are better than Felix, Iwakuma, Walker, Paxton, Elias/Ramirez

He_Needs_More_Time said:

As much as I want to say dhdawg is right I know in my heart that Road Dawg is right. There will be bumps in the road, even Pineda looked unhittable first half of 2011 then fell apart second half. It happens.

Good point about Felix too. Dominant in his call up in 2005, average in 2006. Was good in 2007 and 2008 then became the ace in 2009. It takes time.

I like our rotation and the M's would certainly be an annoying team to face in the postseason due to it. However, counting on basically three rookies/inexperienced pitchers in Paxton, Walker, Ramirez/Elias is asking for a lot.

I'm not saying it's a great rotation though, you are completely missing the point. Injuries have plagued pretty much every pitching staff.
No way am I saying this is a great rotation, but please name me 8 rotations you'd rather have

He_Needs_More_Time said:

dhdawg said:

RoadDawg55 said:

CuntWaffle said:

Paxton has killed it in his 4 or 5 big league starts

So did Felix, and then he struggled for awhile. Felix was great when he first came and then struggled for a year and a half. Paxton wasn't killing it in the minors last year. Both him and Walker have talent, but who knows if they can put it all together in a consistent matter at this point.

you're pulling out one example, and felix wasn't as dominant as paxton has been.
he has a low 1's ERA through 5 starts, that doesn't happen by accident.

Felix had a 1.59 ERA after his first seven starts.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=hernafe02&t=p&year=2005

wow I forgot how great he was! we'll see I guess. I still think Paxton can be Eric Bedard (minues the injuries and dogshit attitude)

okay roaddawg since you don't want to actually name anyone, when healthy these are the top 10 rotations in baseball.
1. Cardinals
2. Dodgers
3. Tigers
4. Nationals
5. Yankees (we'll see on this one though)
6. Giants
7. Mariners/Indians/Braves/Athletics, you can pretty much say they're all about equal

dhdawg, we will have to see later in the year. I think the rotation has potential, but has too many questions. If Iwakuma can come back and pitch at last year's level. If Walker and Paxton are truly ready. If Ramirez is now a legit #3 starter and not the #5 type he has been so far.

You might be right about the Red Sox, but I would still probably have their rotation. Their offense can mask pitching problems, but it's a pretty good rotation. They have Peavy and Bucholz at the end of the rotation. I know Peavy hasn't been the same pitcher for a few years, and Bucholz is brittle, but those guys are pretty good pitchers. They also pitch in a hitters park, while Seattle plays at Safeco.