Axing for a fren:
Has the military re-instituted a draft or are current members serving of their own volition knowing the risks/rewards of said chosen field of employment?
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Yes. I heard a draft is coming and we will be sending 18 year olds to fight in the jungles of Iran. Only poor kids though. And the blacks.
I'm also hearing that current service members were told they would never be in danger and all the pew pew they did in training was just to keep them busy. -
I guess when they had the draft before I must of been a pour kid.
Being a Vet not sure what you mean by the question Mr. Throbber
the guys that have gone into the service knew kind of what they were getting into, I think. Recruiters tell them a line of BS just like anywhere.
Reasons for going into the military is so varied it is impossible to say really. Running from commitments, family, proving a point, God and country, hate? who knows
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Lotta the guys I know are ready to go kill some Revolutionary guard after getting blown up by rockets and IEDs from their proxies for years. No twisters, not saying we should go to war, just saying there's not the same reluctance over it from the current military guys I know you see elsewhere.
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As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.
It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -
but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.
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A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.LebamDawg said:As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.
It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -
but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.
You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious. -
Now vets flaunt it to get free shit and discounts and people thanking them for their service and calling them heros.LebamDawg said:As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.
It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -
but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.
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How would anyone "out in public" know he was a veteran? If you claim this happened in the last 30 years I call bullshit.Bendintheriver said:
A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.LebamDawg said:As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.
It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -
but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.
You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious. -
He returned from Vietnam in the early 70's. He went into manual labor at that point because he didn't know what he wanted to do. He wore his fatigues because they were old and made good work clothes. He got shit for it all the time while he was doing that job and it wasn't just from his co-workers, he got shit on TriMet going to and from work. He joined some ex-military organizations like French Foreign Legion (can't honestly remember which ones, might even have been the Elks) and they participated in the Rose Parade marching down the street. He said the shit that was yelled at him and his fellow vets was disgusting. He proudly wore his Vet hats wherever he went. He got shit for it. He gave PTLD a two year try and then moved and never heard that shit once in Wyoming. Ever.MikeDamone said:
How would anyone "out in public" know he was a veteran? If you claim this happened in the last 30 years I call bullshit.Bendintheriver said:
A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.LebamDawg said:As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.
It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -
but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.
You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
I know people don't like to know these facts but this shit really happened. You can call bullshit all you want, but it was reality, and you would be wrong.
I happen to hang with a lot of Vets from Vietnam. Many now in their mid 70's. There isn't one who doesn't have stories to tell about how they were treated. I know a couple that couldn't cope with it so they found jobs on the army bases here in Atlanta to shield themselves from the assholes. One just retired from running the class 6 at a base in town here. He ran it since 1977 and he is thankful that he never had to work off base during his civilian years. My own father in-law was not given an opportunity at CNN when he came back from Vietnam. He was a Sargent in charge of all video filming and feeds from Vietnam. If you watched footage of Vietnam on NBC, CBS, ABC it came from him and his 12 man group. They told him that his service made some of the staff at CNN uncomfortable. How ironic. My father in-law put himself in danger for the better part of a 20 year career in the Army with 1000's of flights into battle to film and send back to stations like CNN. Then when he gets back, the same CNN that uses that kind of footage to generate revenue was "uncomfortable" with him being around. That was 1980-81. He should have sued their asses off but he isn't that kind of guy. When he went to local affiliates in 80-81, he was passed over for unqualified minorities because that bullshit was happening at that time. It was rough on Vets. -
This is my impression from the military guys I know as well, though it's an admittedly fairly small sample.UW_Doog_Bot said:Lotta the guys I know are ready to go kill some Revolutionary guard after getting blown up by rockets and IEDs from their proxies for years. No twisters, not saying we should go to war, just saying there's not the same reluctance over it from the current military guys I know you see elsewhere.
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So it was in the 1970s. That's what I thought.Bendintheriver said:
He returned from Vietnam in the early 70's. He went into manual labor at that point because he didn't know what he wanted to do. He wore his fatigues because they were old and made good work clothes. He got shit for it all the time while he was doing that job and it wasn't just from his co-workers, he got shit on TriMet going to and from work. He joined some ex-military organizations like French Foreign Legion (can't honestly remember which ones, might even have been the Elks) and they participated in the Rose Parade marching down the street. He said the shit that was yelled at him and his fellow vets was disgusting. He proudly wore his Vet hats wherever he went. He got shit for it. He gave PTLD a two year try and then moved and never heard that shit once in Wyoming. Ever.MikeDamone said:
How would anyone "out in public" know he was a veteran? If you claim this happened in the last 30 years I call bullshit.Bendintheriver said:
A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.LebamDawg said:As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.
It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -
but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.
You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
I know people don't like to know these facts but this shit really happened. You can call bullshit all you want, but it was reality, and you would be wrong.
I happen to hang with a lot of Vets from Vietnam. Many now in their mid 70's. There isn't one who doesn't have stories to tell about how they were treated. I know a couple that couldn't cope with it so they found jobs on the army bases here in Atlanta to shield themselves from the assholes. One just retired from running the class 6 at a base in town here. He ran it since 1977 and he is thankful that he never had to work off base during his civilian years. My own father in-law was not given an opportunity at CNN when he came back from Vietnam. He was a Sargent in charge of all video filming and feeds from Vietnam. If you watched footage of Vietnam on NBC, CBS, ABC it came from him and his 12 man group. They told him that his service made some of the staff at CNN uncomfortable. How ironic. My father in-law put himself in danger for the better part of a 20 year career in the Army with 1000's of flights into battle to film and send back to stations like CNN. Then when he gets back, the same CNN that uses that kind of footage to generate revenue was "uncomfortable" with him being around. That was 1980-81. He should have sued their asses off but he isn't that kind of guy. When he went to local affiliates in 80-81, he was passed over for unqualified minorities because that bullshit was happening at that time. It was rough on Vets.
