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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,420
    After I poasted I remembered Ty Law. Agree Seymour makes it. Mankins I didn’t realize had so many pro bowls; he’ll get in. Wilfork and Harrison both probably make it.

    Belichick, Brady, Gronk, Law, Seymour, Mankins, Wilfork, Harrison is an appropriate representation of the core Patriot teams.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,418
    edited December 2019
    dnc said:

    The problem with James is he only averaged 4.0 yards per carry. He was terrible after he left Indy. The only backs on that list who had such low ypc are Bus (who is massively overrated and shouldn't be in) and Martin (who beats James by 2000 yards and 10 TDs).

    James will probably get in eventually but he's not a shoe in.

    Gore will get in by sheer force of numbers (ala Bettis), but he truly deserves it. Over 19,000 career yards from scrimmage, a 4.3 career ypc despite playing into his late 30's, 97 career TDs...it's an impeccable resume.

    I would vote for Andre Johnson. Dude's 11th on the all time receiving list and who is the best QB he played with...Matt Schaub? There's a dude who truly transcended in a bad situation.

    Literally everyone above him played with at least one and often multiple far better QB's than Johnson. The same can be said for everyone behind him on the list until you get to Steve Largent...and Dave Krieg was probably significantly better than Schaub.

    Johnson probably had one of the most underrated careers of all time. He was a monster.

    Interesting takes. One thing I think is for sure is that they're not inducting James, Gore, Wilfork, Johnson and Wayne. I don't know if there's an unwritten rule about too many players from one school in a short amount of time, but if any program will inspire it it's Miami, which based on very old history is still a polarizing program.

    I see Johnson the way you did. A receiver that big and strong and fast is not an every day thing, and he was so durable. I think James post-knee, and certain post-Indy, tarnished his career a bit, particularly the latter. I remember his stint in Arizona, and he just had no where to go and didn't have the jets to get there even if he did. His first two, three or so years in the league he was the shit. The thing that's really admirable about his run is how much career he squeezed out after a big knee injury. Before that ACL, he was absolutely a home run threat out of the backfield. Still found a way back, but no question lost some burst.

    Wilfork will have his work cut out because the committee is never easy on D linemen, for reasons I don't understand given how important they are. He will have the good team card, which is key because IMO Cortez Kennedy was a much more special talent and had to try a few times before getting in.

    They'll probably settle with Harrison and not induct Wayne, but his numbers are pretty solid too.
  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,785 Standard Supporter
    I like Edge more than Gore. Guys who are merely in the conversation for being durable don't deserve it. HoF used to mean "dominant at your position in your era". Was Gore a top back more than 1 year in his entire professional career? Give Frank a lifetim achievement award. Andre Johnson was dominant.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    Gore and Fork yes. Edge and Andre no.

    THIS
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,418

    Gore and Fork yes. Edge and Andre no.

    I agree that's what will happen. But Edge should get in b4 Wilfork, and that's not a close call IMO.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,418
    dtd said:

    I like Edge more than Gore. Guys who are merely in the conversation for being durable don't deserve it. HoF used to mean "dominant at your position in your era". Was Gore a top back more than 1 year in his entire professional career? Give Frank a lifetim achievement award. Andre Johnson was dominant.

    He's a little more than durable. I agree he's never been an electric and physically dominant back in the Adrian Petersen/Eric Dickerson/Jim Brown/Barry Sanders sense of that description. But he also rushed for a shit ton of yards during a career that was spent 95% on shit teams that didn't have passing attacks to keep defenses honest.

    Gore has incredible vision and balance to go with being tough. Those numbers don't happen for merely good backs, even if they play for a long time. "Good" backs who are lucky enough to play for a long time wind up on special teams and as back ups after they've passed their prime.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,570 Swaye's Wigwam
    Gore was a very good RB for a long time. He’s a Hall of Famer.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,418
    dnc said:

    Edge gets in

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Can't wait to tell the Ducks.

    And Roadie!!!!!!!!!!!!!