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Chances for the HOF
creepycoug
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will any of my Canes Andre Johnson, Frank Gore, Edge, or Vince Wilfork make the Hall?
Edge is one of the most egregious omissions of our time. He'll get in eventually, but has had to wait too long. The numbers don't lie and even politically careful Peyton Manning has said it's full on retard that he's not in.
Any DAWGS threatening to break in?
Sorry.
Edge is one of the most egregious omissions of our time. He'll get in eventually, but has had to wait too long. The numbers don't lie and even politically careful Peyton Manning has said it's full on retard that he's not in.
Any DAWGS threatening to break in?
Sorry.
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Wilfork will be one of thousands of Patriots to get in
Johnson played in Houston so as we like to say, no.
Edge should. You need some Colts from that era
Looks like 3 out of 4
Any DAWGS are 10-20 years out. No Husky from this century has yet to be a star. Its the kids like Buddah that have the shot
The term physical freak is way over-used, but Johnson fits that bill. 6'3" and over 200 bills with mid-10s 100 meter speed, he was Randy Moss-level physically gifted and a little stronger. He always played on limited teams and so his numbers are somewhat affected by that, just as Reggie Waynes (who I forgot to mention) and Marvin Harrison's are a little fat by virute of where they played.
Johnson was a fucking beast of a receiver. Probably right in that he doesn't get it, in part because there's a slew of great ones and in part because, as you point out, his post-season career body of work is limited.
Andre Johnson was great but played for mostly bad teams. I doubt he gets in.
Gore will get in. It’s pretty cool that he’s still a serviceable RB this late in his career.
Edgerrin James was a good RB but those guys are tough because most have short careers. Edge did not, but he wasn’t that great after his time with the Colts. He was fairly consistent but not a home run hitter. Kind of a poor man’s Lunch. Lynch’s best years were better and for better teams.
4: Players who have rushed for 1,500 yards at least four times in a career. We’re taking about three first-ballot Hall of Famers – Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson – and James.
7: Players with 2,000 total yards from scrimmage at least three times, including James. The only players with four are first-ballot guys: Marshall Faulk, Erick Dickerson and Walter Payton.
3: Players who have led the NFL is rushing in each of their first two seasons. That would be Eric Dickerson and Earl Campbell, first-ballot inductees, and James.
7, again: Players who have won back-to-back rushing titles since the 1970 merger. It’s James and six first-ballot Hall of Famers.
4, again: Players to rank among the top-13 in career rushing yards and playoff rushing yards. It’s James, Emmitt Smith, Tony Dorsett and Thurman Thomas. Smith and Dorsett were first-ballot inductees. Thomas went in in year 2.
82.7: That’s James’ per-game rushing average over his 11-year, 148-game career. That’s a better per-game clip than Emmitt Smith, LaDainian Tomlinson, Earl Campbell, Tony Dorsett, Jerome Bettis, Marshall Faulk, Thurman Thomas, Franco Harris and several other Hall of Fame backs.
12,246: James’ career rushing yards, 13th in NFL history. Ten of the 12 ahead of him are in the Hall of Fame. The outliers are Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson, both still active.
15,610: James’ career total yards from scrimmage, 15th all-time. Eleven of the 14 ahead of him are in Canton. The other three: Gore, Larry Fitzgerald and Tiki Barber.
2000s: James and LaDainian Tomlinson are the first-team running backs on the NFL’s All-Decade Team of the 2000s.
No idea how Lynch's numbers fit into all that - I doubt they're as good - but overall I think you'd be hard pressed to find a coach from that era who would agree that Lynch was the weapon James was. All that, and he was considered one of the best pass blocking backs in the business. A complete player.
He deserves to be in over any Hurricane under consideration, including Gore. Gore has had a nice career, but he's never been the head ache for D coordinators that Edge was.
Someone else from those teams will get in. The Gibbs era Redskins only had Riggins and Green (as an assumed future member) for years, but eventually Art Monk and Russ Grimm got in, because great teams have great players on them.
I’m assuming Wilfork will get similar treatment and make it eventually. The Patriots had to have other great players besides the QB.
James will probably get in eventually but he's not a shoe in.
Gore will get in by sheer force of numbers (ala Bettis), but he truly deserves it. Over 19,000 career yards from scrimmage, a 4.3 career ypc despite playing into his late 30's, 97 career TDs...it's an impeccable resume.
I would vote for Andre Johnson. Dude's 11th on the all time receiving list and who is the best QB he played with...Matt Schaub? There's a dude who truly transcended in a bad situation.
Literally everyone above him played with at least one and often multiple far better QB's than Johnson. The same can be said for everyone behind him on the list until you get to Steve Largent...and Dave Krieg was probably significantly better than Schaub.
Johnson probably had one of the most underrated careers of all time. He was a monster.
Other players like Revis, Moss, etc., will make it but they both will be remembered for playing for the Jets/Vikings.
Belichick, Brady, Gronk, Law, Seymour, Mankins, Wilfork, Harrison is an appropriate representation of the core Patriot teams.
I see Johnson the way you did. A receiver that big and strong and fast is not an every day thing, and he was so durable. I think James post-knee, and certain post-Indy, tarnished his career a bit, particularly the latter. I remember his stint in Arizona, and he just had no where to go and didn't have the jets to get there even if he did. His first two, three or so years in the league he was the shit. The thing that's really admirable about his run is how much career he squeezed out after a big knee injury. Before that ACL, he was absolutely a home run threat out of the backfield. Still found a way back, but no question lost some burst.
Wilfork will have his work cut out because the committee is never easy on D linemen, for reasons I don't understand given how important they are. He will have the good team card, which is key because IMO Cortez Kennedy was a much more special talent and had to try a few times before getting in.
They'll probably settle with Harrison and not induct Wayne, but his numbers are pretty solid too.
Gore has incredible vision and balance to go with being tough. Those numbers don't happen for merely good backs, even if they play for a long time. "Good" backs who are lucky enough to play for a long time wind up on special teams and as back ups after they've passed their prime.
Can't wait to tell the Ducks.
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