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New decade: The Next Roaring Twenties?

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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,961 Founders Club

    Even more common sense that it should be a parent with the kids all day. The consumer of daycare should be able to decide what is best for their family and their particular circumstance. But of course the arrogant elitists know what's best for everyone and their situation.
    That ship has sailed sadly for most of us. In my peer group there's hardly any single income, stay at home parent households.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited January 2020

    Apple sugar is good for you. Ketchup sugar not so much.
    Apple sugar is sugar. And it not any better for you than other sugar.

    Apple vitamins and fiber are good for you.

    *sugar superiority guy
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,358 Swaye's Wigwam

    That ship has sailed sadly for most of us. In my peer group there's hardly any single income, stay at home parent households.
    It's made a come back down here in SoCal bc of the economics of what I pointed out earlier. If Childcare costs $45,000+ per year for your family, you make less than that, and quitting an income moves you into a lower bracket that qualifies you for all of California's lengthy list of welfare policies why wouldn't you?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,816

    And if childcare wasn't so expensive your wife or others in a similar situation might opt to use more of it. That might allow them to make more money. Which obviously impacts working and middle class families the most.

    It's pretty crazy out here in California. I ran the ROI and you basically have to make more than $60k+ per parent a year to justify even going to work at all. Nevermind any kind of stress or marginal utility etc. That doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider where median wages are it is. If it wasn't for all of the existing subsidies to lower income households for childcare you'd hear the Left banging the drum on this too. Per usual though their solution would be more government handouts for votes. Never a market based approach to drive down costs to the consumer(bc classic economics right?)

    Hilariously, even @BearsWiin is a stay at home dad while arguing that childcare isn't over regulated. Nevermind that he and H have at best a passing familiarity with the industry, the regulations, or what a middle income family deals with, they know the answer already based on their ideology. Childcare providers are just out to squeeze a buck and have no inherent interest in the welfare of children under their care.
    I’m very familiar with the industry. It is regulated. None of you have made a factual case that it is “over regulated”. And child care is fucking expensive, which gets me back to my point that government can craft incentives for people to reproduce. I’m told people respond to incentives.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,816

    That ship has sailed sadly for most of us. In my peer group there's hardly any single income, stay at home parent households.
    Is it sad? There aren’t really a lot of kids playing in the neighborhood anymore. The kids and their friends are in school, preschool or daycare.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,863
    BearsWiin said:

    I never argued that, but thanks for thinking of me

    Cool that you understnad my situation so well

    hashtagAnalrapist
    You're struggling the past couple of days.

    You ok man?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,816

    I think it would be a lot easier to run a family unit with 1 parent not working.
    I loved a lot of things about having small kids, but who would want to be that 1 parent not working?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,816

    Sure you are little buddy. Just like you're "very familiar" with economics.
    Cuz how could a parent, uncle and business lawyer possibly know anything about the childcare industry?

    You still haven’t supported the “over regulation” claim. We noticed.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 36,021 Standard Supporter
    I managed to keep my wife at home. Kids have turned out as they should. Worth all the work to keep her there.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,816
    Sledog said:

    I managed to keep my wife at home.

    Electric fence?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 111,033 Founders Club
    My mother was a college graduate who went to graduate school in Detroit to learn how to be a mom

    And she was damn good at it.

    When we grew up she went back to UW and became a librarian. My dad left. Back then "no wife of mine is going to work" was a thing

    So we don't need to go back to that but plenty of women would like the option to stay home. And some men. NTTIAWWT

    I remember when daycare started. Naturally the left, who ruins everything, said its fine - let the state raise your kid. China does. What could go wrong?

  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,816

    My mother was a college graduate who went to graduate school in Detroit to learn how to be a mom

    And she was damn good at it.

    When we grew up she went back to UW and became a librarian. My dad left. Back then "no wife of mine is going to work" was a thing

    So we don't need to go back to that but plenty of women would like the option to stay home. And some men. NTTIAWWT

    I remember when daycare started. Naturally the left, who ruins everything, said its fine - let the state raise your kid. China does. What could go wrong?

    The state isn’t operating the day cares we’ve been discussing.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 111,033 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    The state isn’t operating the day cares we’ve been discussing.
    Regulation is running the center

    And the state is running the schools they attend earlier in the day

    The less time with the parents the better comrade.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,358 Swaye's Wigwam

    I think it would be a lot easier to run a family unit with 1 parent not working.
    It's even easier to have 1 parent not working and have daycare. Alas, we are working stiffs @YellowSnow without that kind of splash cash.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,816

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    We've all noticed that you don't change your mind even given evidence to the contrary. Deflect, move goal posts, shift the argument, etc.
    Weird how you will spend hours explaining why providing a piece of evidence would be a waste of your time.
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