75% Reduction in Health Care Costs ??
Hondo of course will fight this tooth and nail because the Health Insurance lobby is the one buttering his bread to spam our bored above all else else. See Obamacare threads. #aclockworkshill #rightontim #lapdog #Obamacarewarrior #heswiththem
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-can-slash-health-care-costs-75-with-2-fundamental-changes-and-without-medicare-for-all-2019-08-15
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HSA's are the way to go. Have people fund their healthcare needs through a payroll savings plan much like SS.
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Right now I’d settle for price tags.
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I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%. -
Pathetic2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers -
Car accidents are the cause of expensive health care
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Obamacare was mostly awful. I've stated that many times. I did argue, however, with idiots like you that spout bullshit about it that's not true.RaceBannon said:
Pathetic2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers -
You still shill for it and now are shilling for single payer2001400ex said:
Obamacare was mostly awful. I've stated that many times. I did argue, however, with idiots like you that spout bullshit about it that's not true.RaceBannon said:
Pathetic2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers
Bullshit about it that's not true? Saving 2500? Keeping your doctor?
Maybe take the rest of the day off and kill yourself
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Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?
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2001400ex said:
I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
I was right. You're still a pathological lying #clockworkshill.2001400ex said:
Obamacare was mostly awful. I've stated that many times. I did argue, however, with idiots like you that spout bullshit about it that's not true.RaceBannon said:
Pathetic2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers
You have ZERO credibility. You should kill yourself to gain an ounce back. -
I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.Pitchfork51 said:Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?
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What about forcing the insurance industry to advertise their prices on an online exchange?pawz said:
I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.Pitchfork51 said:Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?
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Yeah, there's no way to pick what MRI or ambulance service you choose to use. Got to go with whichever service is provided because the hospital needs you right now.RaceBannon said:
Pathetic2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers -
As always your avoiding the advertising of prices by the health care PROVIDER.2001400ex said:
What about forcing the insurance industry to advertise their prices on an online exchange?pawz said:
I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.Pitchfork51 said:Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?
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But we don't have that right now. I'm talking about something positive Obamacare gave.pawz said:
As always your avoiding the advertising of prices by the health care PROVIDER.2001400ex said:
What about forcing the insurance industry to advertise their prices on an online exchange?pawz said:
I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.Pitchfork51 said:Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?
#aclockworkshill #rightontim #lapdog #Obamacarewarrior -
2001400ex said:
I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.
If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else.
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And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.greenblood said:2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.
If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else. -
You honestly think the single emergency visit is more expensive than years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that came before that emergency. Not to mention the years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that will follow if the poor sap happens to survive?2001400ex said:
And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.greenblood said:2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.
If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else. -
Stop2001400ex said:
And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.greenblood said:2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.
If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else.
Shilling
Hondo hates the idea because it's free market based and would actually work
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There's already pricing known on prescription drugs. I didn't say it was the majority, I said it's a large part.greenblood said:
You honestly think the single emergency visit is more expensive than years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that came before that emergency. Not to mention the years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that will follow if the poor sap happens to survive?2001400ex said:
And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.greenblood said:2001400ex said:I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.
Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.
Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.
If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else. -
Drug prices vary wildly too depending on insurance. You can download an app and get a huge discount paying cash
None of it makes sense but let's regulate it some more and really fix it this time -
See race. We can find common ground.RaceBannon said:Drug prices vary wildly too depending on insurance. You can download an app and get a huge discount paying cash
None of it makes sense but let's regulate it some more and really fix it this time -
No we can't2001400ex said:
See race. We can find common ground.RaceBannon said:Drug prices vary wildly too depending on insurance. You can download an app and get a huge discount paying cash
None of it makes sense but let's regulate it some more and really fix it this time
It doesn't make sense because of the idiots you shill for
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As if anybody needed more evidence for what a worthless fucking piece of shit hack that fucking Hondo clown is.
It's all right here in this thread.
ZERO interest in honest discussion.
100% working for big medicine as a shill.
1000000% needs to be lit on fire.
I was right. -
I know right! I should just scream free market and throw out 75% savings!!! Only then would I be interested in honest discussion.pawz said:As if anybody needed more evidence for what a worthless fucking piece of shit hack that fucking Hondo clown is.
It's all right here in this thread.
ZERO interest in honest discussion.
100% working for big medicine as a shill.
1000000% needs to be lit on fire.
I was right. -
Fuck off. Light yourself on fire.2001400ex said:
I know right! I should just scream free market and throw out 75% savings!!! Only then would I be interested in honest discussion.pawz said:As if anybody needed more evidence for what a worthless fucking piece of shit hack that fucking Hondo clown is.
It's all right here in this thread.
ZERO interest in honest discussion.
100% working for big medicine as a shill.
1000000% needs to be lit on fire.
I was right. -
Why so angry? Facts seem to bother you. Strange.pawz said:
Fuck off. Light yourself on fire.2001400ex said:
I know right! I should just scream free market and throw out 75% savings!!! Only then would I be interested in honest discussion.pawz said:As if anybody needed more evidence for what a worthless fucking piece of shit hack that fucking Hondo clown is.
It's all right here in this thread.
ZERO interest in honest discussion.
100% working for big medicine as a shill.
1000000% needs to be lit on fire.
I was right. -
You have yet to cite a single relevant fact. So fuck off with your bullshit.2001400ex said:
Why so angry? Facts seem to bother you. Strange.pawz said:
Fuck off. Light yourself on fire.2001400ex said:
I know right! I should just scream free market and throw out 75% savings!!! Only then would I be interested in honest discussion.pawz said:As if anybody needed more evidence for what a worthless fucking piece of shit hack that fucking Hondo clown is.
It's all right here in this thread.
ZERO interest in honest discussion.
100% working for big medicine as a shill.
1000000% needs to be lit on fire.
I was right. -
Right.pawz said:
You have yet to cite a single relevant fact. So fuck off with your bullshit.2001400ex said:
Why so angry? Facts seem to bother you. Strange.pawz said:
Fuck off. Light yourself on fire.2001400ex said:
I know right! I should just scream free market and throw out 75% savings!!! Only then would I be interested in honest discussion.pawz said:As if anybody needed more evidence for what a worthless fucking piece of shit hack that fucking Hondo clown is.
It's all right here in this thread.
ZERO interest in honest discussion.
100% working for big medicine as a shill.
1000000% needs to be lit on fire.
I was right. -
https://foxbusiness.com/money/trump-health-care-address
At least someone is working for the people in DC
The Trump administration unveiled a wide-ranging proposal on Friday requiring hospitals and insurers to give consumers more information about what their health care will cost — a rule intended to increase price transparency for patients shopping for coverage.
Under the rule, hospitals will have to report the rates they strike with individual insurers for all services, including drugs, supplies, facility fees and care by doctors who work for the facility. If the hospitals fail to comply, they could be forced to pay a $300 per day fine.
By making those prices public, the Trump administration argues that hospitals will face pressure to compete for patients, eventually causing prices to drop.
"Our goal was to give patients the knowledge they need about the real price of health care services, so they can shop for the highest quality care at the lowest cost," President Trump said at the White House while introducing the proposal.
Gee the insurance industry is opposed. Go figure
“Unfortunately, the rules the administration released today will not help consumers better understand what health services will cost them and may not advance the broader goal of lowering health care costs,” Blue Cross Blue Shield Association President and CEO Scott Serota said in a statement.
And in July, four of the country's biggest hospital systems said they'd challenge the law in court. A similar health care transparency law in Ohio remains tangled in the legal web.
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So is Hondo. Go figureRaceBannon said:https://foxbusiness.com/money/trump-health-care-address
At least someone is working for the people in DC
The Trump administration unveiled a wide-ranging proposal on Friday requiring hospitals and insurers to give consumers more information about what their health care will cost — a rule intended to increase price transparency for patients shopping for coverage.
Under the rule, hospitals will have to report the rates they strike with individual insurers for all services, including drugs, supplies, facility fees and care by doctors who work for the facility. If the hospitals fail to comply, they could be forced to pay a $300 per day fine.
By making those prices public, the Trump administration argues that hospitals will face pressure to compete for patients, eventually causing prices to drop.
"Our goal was to give patients the knowledge they need about the real price of health care services, so they can shop for the highest quality care at the lowest cost," President Trump said at the White House while introducing the proposal.
Gee the insurance industry is opposed. Go figure
“Unfortunately, the rules the administration released today will not help consumers better understand what health services will cost them and may not advance the broader goal of lowering health care costs,” Blue Cross Blue Shield Association President and CEO Scott Serota said in a statement.
And in July, four of the country's biggest hospital systems said they'd challenge the law in court. A similar health care transparency law in Ohio remains tangled in the legal web.
