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Alright, it wasn't that funny but damn I laughed out loud at this.MikeDamone said:
If tranny’s are the backbone of our nation or not.YellowSnow said:
JFC. What are we arguing about again?SFGbob said:
But in this instance the government isn't just controlling the purse strings.YellowSnow said:
There are plenty of for profit companies in the economy where the government controls the purse strings.Southerndawg said:
Who’s picking up the tab? Rhetorical question. The government does not pick up tabs. They confiscate revenue via taxes, borrow some more, and then spend it as they see fit.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
And do you really mean to parse the control over means of production when the purse strings ultimately dictate such and in this case there will be only one purse?
If you have a ice cream business, and I have the power to tell you what kind of ice cream you can sell, how much you can charge for that ice cream and who you have to sell or not sell that ice cream to, is that business still really yours? -
For starters don’t spend or encourage spending gob smacking amounts of money on indoctrination that will only result in lifelong debt and reinforce class envy. Get a skill or education in a high demand field. Doctors, Engineers, Plumbers, Electricians are writing their own checks. Sales is also a huge winner, especially in technical and medical arenas. Degrees in advanced Social Justice Warriorism are worth less than toilet paper unless you stay in academics. Resist that for a change.YellowSnow said:
You can still get tyranny of the majority in a Constitutional Republic. It just takes longer. The trend line, however, is the losers in our society wanting ever more from the winners. The big question is what can we do to lessen the number of losers.Southerndawg said:
The Constitutional Republic and my choice of career paths have been good to me, can’t complain overall. But it is most definitely better during times of low taxation and lessened government interference.YellowSnow said:
Hows your republican democracy treating your pocket book fren?Southerndawg said:
We’re not a democracy. They devolve Into mob rule. Guaranteed failure. Viva La Republica!YellowSnow said:
And it we want to go for full irony @Southerndawg it could be argued that an enlightened despot could in theory be a better guarantor of our life, liberty and property than democracy.Southerndawg said:
It’s state control of the largest segment of our economy (by employment). Nothing democratic about that. It’s statist, straight up.YellowSnow said:
It's more social democracy than socialism, but still, wealth transfer is wealth transfer.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
Then vote for a government that knows its place is out of your way. Elect people who understand the importance of limited government and genuinely believe in the ability of individuals to make life choices. Likewise, expect accountability in all directions.
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Really? Are you pulling my leg here?YellowSnow said:
JFC. What are we arguing about again?SFGbob said:
But in this instance the government isn't just controlling the purse strings.YellowSnow said:
There are plenty of for profit companies in the economy where the government controls the purse strings.Southerndawg said:
Who’s picking up the tab? Rhetorical question. The government does not pick up tabs. They confiscate revenue via taxes, borrow some more, and then spend it as they see fit.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
And do you really mean to parse the control over means of production when the purse strings ultimately dictate such and in this case there will be only one purse?
If you have a ice cream business, and I have the power to tell you what kind of ice cream you can sell, how much you can charge for that ice cream and who you have to sell or not sell that ice cream to, is that business still really yours? -
Nope. Just bottom line earnings. Commercial entities generate far more revenue and earnings.YellowSnow said:
Huh? The MI complex is long gone?Southerndawg said:
News flash. Those days are long gone.YellowSnow said:Southerndawg said:
Not really.YellowSnow said:
There are plenty of for profit companies in the economy where the government controls the purse strings.Southerndawg said:
Who’s picking up the tab? Rhetorical question. The government does not pick up tabs. They confiscate revenue via taxes, borrow some more, and then spend it as they see fit.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
And do you really mean to parse the control over means of production when the purse strings ultimately dictate such and in this case there will be only one purse?
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Insert Jason Bateman trying to reply gif to this ridiculously stupid post.Southerndawg said:
Nope. Just bottom line earnings. Commercial entities generate far more revenue and earnings.YellowSnow said:
Huh? The MI complex is long gone?Southerndawg said:
News flash. Those days are long gone.YellowSnow said:Southerndawg said:
Not really.YellowSnow said:
There are plenty of for profit companies in the economy where the government controls the purse strings.Southerndawg said:
Who’s picking up the tab? Rhetorical question. The government does not pick up tabs. They confiscate revenue via taxes, borrow some more, and then spend it as they see fit.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
And do you really mean to parse the control over means of production when the purse strings ultimately dictate such and in this case there will be only one purse?
Before yellow says something polite and diplomatic, let me interject to note that you do not understand at all the point he was making. -
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Yet you keep it.RaceBannon said:I don't love Medicare
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I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform -
If you change your mind and like it can you keep it?RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform -
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart! -
Not if the greedy millenials get their wayMikeDamone said:
If you change your mind and like it can you keep it?RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform -
You’re Soylent Green if they get their way. Need to slip out and Carousel their asses before it’s too late.RaceBannon said:
Not if the greedy millenials get their wayMikeDamone said:
If you change your mind and like it can you keep it?RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform -
Ok, Boomer.RaceBannon said:
Not if the greedy millenials get their wayMikeDamone said:
If you change your mind and like it can you keep it?RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform -
In my own political-economy dictionary, state-owned means of production and central government planning for the economis and one party rule is communism.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
Tax the mother loving shit out of me to pay for other people's problem is socialism. Still have markets, still have possibility of winners and losers, except the winners pay for the losers to be soft winners, so the winners aren't really winners anymore, just soft winners like the former real losers. I can still own property, but I won't be able to afford very much of it.
If anyone has a different set of definitions, IDRGAF; I'm using my own. -
It's forced safety net a bunch of people voted for. Gotta separate the economis from the political, then put them back together.YellowSnow said:
Is Medicare democratic or no? It was passed by duly elected members of Congress and signed into law by Johnson who won in landslide election. Americans by a huge margin favor it. This a flaw after all with democracy- the electorate can vote them selves generous benefits based on someone else's tax dollars.Southerndawg said:
It’s state control of the largest segment of our economy (by employment). Nothing democratic about that. It’s statist, straight up.YellowSnow said:
It's more social democracy than socialism, but still, wealth transfer is wealth transfer.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
There's no question that when you take from me to pay for the common good, it's socialistic in its nature. The question is always to what degree. We have socialist aspects to our society. No question. -
I am the last philosopher king, and I long ago decided to sit this one out. No such thing now.YellowSnow said:
And it we want to go for full irony @Southerndawg it could be argued that an enlightened despot could in theory be a better guarantor of our life, liberty and property than democracy.Southerndawg said:
It’s state control of the largest segment of our economy (by employment). Nothing democratic about that. It’s statist, straight up.YellowSnow said:
It's more social democracy than socialism, but still, wealth transfer is wealth transfer.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
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This is a very curmudgeonly postcreepycoug said:
In my own political-economy dictionary, state-owned means of production and central government planning for the economis and one party rule is communism.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
Tax the mother loving shit out of me to pay for other people's problem is socialism. Still have markets, still have possibility of winners and losers, except the winners pay for the losers to be soft winners, so the winners aren't really winners anymore, just soft winners like the former real losers. I can still own property, but I won't be able to afford very much of it.
If anyone has a different set of definitions, IDRGAF; I'm using my own. -
Hunret precent!! I don't have "the knack" like you as we've discussed. Therefore I have to be a shitty pretend sales person.Southerndawg said:
For starters don’t spend or encourage spending gob smacking amounts of money on indoctrination that will only result in lifelong debt and reinforce class envy. Get a skill or education in a high demand field. Doctors, Engineers, Plumbers, Electricians are writing their own checks. Sales is also a huge winner, especially in technical and medical arenas. Degrees in advanced Social Justice Warriorism are worth less than toilet paper unless you stay in academics. Resist that for a change.YellowSnow said:
You can still get tyranny of the majority in a Constitutional Republic. It just takes longer. The trend line, however, is the losers in our society wanting ever more from the winners. The big question is what can we do to lessen the number of losers.Southerndawg said:
The Constitutional Republic and my choice of career paths have been good to me, can’t complain overall. But it is most definitely better during times of low taxation and lessened government interference.YellowSnow said:
Hows your republican democracy treating your pocket book fren?Southerndawg said:
We’re not a democracy. They devolve Into mob rule. Guaranteed failure. Viva La Republica!YellowSnow said:
And it we want to go for full irony @Southerndawg it could be argued that an enlightened despot could in theory be a better guarantor of our life, liberty and property than democracy.Southerndawg said:
It’s state control of the largest segment of our economy (by employment). Nothing democratic about that. It’s statist, straight up.YellowSnow said:
It's more social democracy than socialism, but still, wealth transfer is wealth transfer.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
Then vote for a government that knows its place is out of your way. Elect people who understand the importance of limited government and genuinely believe in the ability of individuals to make life choices. Likewise, expect accountability in all directions. -
We're not really talking about healthcare.
We're talking about a new breed of socialists that want it all. And say so. And couch it in terms that useful idiots like hondo can run around melting down about
Who doesn't want free healthcare? Just give up your freedom
I don't live my life around health insurance and I won't give up my freedom to the same assholes that fucked it up
This has always been a long con and Reagan was right in the 60's when he said Medicare was the road to this.
Get healthcare and what's next? Everything, Because we need to modify your behavior to afford to cover you. By force if needed.
The reason socialism ends up with mass death is because you have to eliminate the people that don't go along. And it is a big number so you need a lot of camps and mass graves
Pick up a fucking history book sometime
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That's the trouble with socialism-light, it always requires more government intervention & control as rent seeking replaces competition in a free market.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
Healthcare is a perfect example. The government "fixed" our private market. Now the calls for single payer since there's a shrinking supply of larger and larger rent seeking corporations. Then, after single payer exists, there will be an oligopoly of rent seekers who give poor service while suckling at the public tit and we will have cries for state takeover just like PG&E. Then "real" socialismo where competition ceases to exist entirely and costs balloon while service and supply dwindle until the lights go off.
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As to the OP, the irony of identity politics is that it's reinforcing a "white" voting block. It's going to solidify the "oppressive" politics it claims to the solution for.
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Whoa there sparky. Now you're trying to cram into this enlightened discussion an apology for the shame you feel for having sucked off the government tit.Sledog said:
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart!
Or are you still holding to this idea that your pension is but the sum total of amounts you paid in? All this time later, that is still not how pensions work. Your pension is funded by the tax payers. It's the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan.
Don't be ashamed anymore. Come out into the light. You took lower pay for that benefit so nobody's mad at you. But come hell or high water, you were the government my friend. Not private sector like the cool kids. Accept it. -
I've never said any such thing. If you don't live in the city I was employed by you're not paying. HTHcreepycoug said:
Whoa there sparky. Now you're trying to cram into this enlightened discussion an apology for the shame you feel for having sucked off the government tit.Sledog said:
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart!
Or are you still holding to this idea that your pension is but the sum total of amounts you paid in? All this time later, that is still not how pensions work. Your pension is funded by the tax payers. It's the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan.
Don't be ashamed anymore. Come out into the light. You took lower pay for that benefit so nobody's mad at you. But come hell or high water, you were the government my friend. Not private sector like the cool kids. Accept it.
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Not a slam on you Sled but the old canard that government workers took lower pay for greater benefits doesn't always pencil out. Many positions in the public sector are very competitive salary wise with the private sector and not only do you receive greater benefits it's damn near impossible for you to lose your job or to be laid off in an economic downturn.creepycoug said:
Whoa there sparky. Now you're trying to cram into this enlightened discussion an apology for the shame you feel for having sucked off the government tit.Sledog said:
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart!
Or are you still holding to this idea that your pension is but the sum total of amounts you paid in? All this time later, that is still not how pensions work. Your pension is funded by the tax payers. It's the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan.
Don't be ashamed anymore. Come out into the light. You took lower pay for that benefit so nobody's mad at you. But come hell or high water, you were the government my friend. Not private sector like the cool kids. Accept it.
Does a BART train operator really make that much less than a train operator in the private sector? Same for the janitorial and maintenance staff. -
No me you donkey. JFC. When you struggle you really struggle.Sledog said:
I've never said any such thing. If you don't live in the city I was employed by you're not paying. HTHcreepycoug said:
Whoa there sparky. Now you're trying to cram into this enlightened discussion an apology for the shame you feel for having sucked off the government tit.Sledog said:
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart!
Or are you still holding to this idea that your pension is but the sum total of amounts you paid in? All this time later, that is still not how pensions work. Your pension is funded by the tax payers. It's the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan.
Don't be ashamed anymore. Come out into the light. You took lower pay for that benefit so nobody's mad at you. But come hell or high water, you were the government my friend. Not private sector like the cool kids. Accept it.
And you have said such a thing. In fact, you just alluded to the thing you've said many times. Again.
Let easy be easy: you enjoy retirement in part on a payment you get once a month that is not funded out of your invested assets, but rather out of a trust funded and administered by the government. Public Pension. Taxpayers. Government. You. -
Let's not get distracted by Sled's freeloading and return to honoring the transsexuals who fought and bled at Bunker Hill.
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May we call for the death of all rent seeking professions? Hi @creepycoug !!UW_Doog_Bot said:
That's the trouble with socialism-light, it always requires more government intervention & control as rent seeking replaces competition in a free market.YellowSnow said:
It's just so god damned messy with the words these day. All the olds that love Trump love their Medicare but hate "socialism". So if the government is just picking up the tab, but doesn't control or own the means of production- i.e., docs and hospitals - is it really REAL socialism?SFGbob said:
Got it, it's Socialized medicine but it's not Socialism. It's healthcare that's paid for by the state but according to Hondo the stupid Kunt, it's not Socialism. And Bernie wants to "break up" ICE and the Border Patrol, but again, according to Hondo the lying Kunt, it's a lie to say Bernie wants to "dismantle" ICE and the Border Patrol.2001400ex said:
It's actually not socialism. Look up what socialism actually is. Look up the economies that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had.SFGbob said:
Medicare for all is Socialism. It is socialized medicine. Quote the person who called it Communism.2001400ex said:
People call Medicare for all socialism and communism here on a daily basis. You are doing it in sheet thread right now. And you don't even see it. Sad!MikeDamone said:
Which no one did. Idiot.2001400ex said:
Calling a representative republic a democracy is closer than calling Medicare for all a communism. HTHMikeDamone said:Or pandering for votes? Since we don’t have a Democracy and no one person or group of people would be the “backbone” of it if we did, I’m going with pandering for votes. Maybe even using them as props.
And sledog says hello.
Hondo has his own words and meanings for words.
Healthcare is a perfect example. The government "fixed" our private market. Now the calls for single payer since there's a shrinking supply of larger and larger rent seeking corporations. Then, after single payer exists, there will be an oligopoly of rent seekers who give poor service while suckling at the public tit and we will have cries for state takeover just like PG&E. Then "real" socialismo where competition ceases to exist entirely and costs balloon while service and supply dwindle until the lights go off. -
I paid 9% of my salary into that trust fund out of my earnings. How hard is that for you to understand? My employer also paid in on my behalf every quarter. HTHcreepycoug said:
No me you donkey. JFC. When you struggle you really struggle.Sledog said:
I've never said any such thing. If you don't live in the city I was employed by you're not paying. HTHcreepycoug said:
Whoa there sparky. Now you're trying to cram into this enlightened discussion an apology for the shame you feel for having sucked off the government tit.Sledog said:
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart!
Or are you still holding to this idea that your pension is but the sum total of amounts you paid in? All this time later, that is still not how pensions work. Your pension is funded by the tax payers. It's the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan.
Don't be ashamed anymore. Come out into the light. You took lower pay for that benefit so nobody's mad at you. But come hell or high water, you were the government my friend. Not private sector like the cool kids. Accept it.
And you have said such a thing. In fact, you just alluded to the thing you've said many times. Again.
Let easy be easy: you enjoy retirement in part on a payment you get once a month that is not funded out of your invested assets, but rather out of a trust funded and administered by the government. Public Pension. Taxpayers. Government. You.
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Dole isn't just a pineapple.Sledog said:
My employer also paid in on my behalf every quarter. HTHcreepycoug said:
No me you donkey. JFC. When you struggle you really struggle.Sledog said:
I've never said any such thing. If you don't live in the city I was employed by you're not paying. HTHcreepycoug said:
Whoa there sparky. Now you're trying to cram into this enlightened discussion an apology for the shame you feel for having sucked off the government tit.Sledog said:
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart!
Or are you still holding to this idea that your pension is but the sum total of amounts you paid in? All this time later, that is still not how pensions work. Your pension is funded by the tax payers. It's the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan.
Don't be ashamed anymore. Come out into the light. You took lower pay for that benefit so nobody's mad at you. But come hell or high water, you were the government my friend. Not private sector like the cool kids. Accept it.
And you have said such a thing. In fact, you just alluded to the thing you've said many times. Again.
Let easy be easy: you enjoy retirement in part on a payment you get once a month that is not funded out of your invested assets, but rather out of a trust funded and administered by the government. Public Pension. Taxpayers. Government. You. -
I didn't have a choice! Wish I did. PERS has feelings. There investment strategies involve lots of feelings.HHusky said:
Dole isn't just a pineapple.Sledog said:
My employer also paid in on my behalf every quarter. HTHcreepycoug said:
No me you donkey. JFC. When you struggle you really struggle.Sledog said:
I've never said any such thing. If you don't live in the city I was employed by you're not paying. HTHcreepycoug said:
Whoa there sparky. Now you're trying to cram into this enlightened discussion an apology for the shame you feel for having sucked off the government tit.Sledog said:
The HondoBros say it's socialism if you use a program or get retirement from something you paid into your whole career.RaceBannon said:
I don't have itMikeDamone said:
Yet
And I've paid in for 40 years
I'd still scrap it for REAL insurance reform
They're shmart!
Or are you still holding to this idea that your pension is but the sum total of amounts you paid in? All this time later, that is still not how pensions work. Your pension is funded by the tax payers. It's the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan.
Don't be ashamed anymore. Come out into the light. You took lower pay for that benefit so nobody's mad at you. But come hell or high water, you were the government my friend. Not private sector like the cool kids. Accept it.
And you have said such a thing. In fact, you just alluded to the thing you've said many times. Again.
Let easy be easy: you enjoy retirement in part on a payment you get once a month that is not funded out of your invested assets, but rather out of a trust funded and administered by the government. Public Pension. Taxpayers. Government. You.
