A Guide to Statistics on Historical Trends in Income Inequality

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

People can still make it in this country. Not being obsessed over what someone else has is a good start. No substitute for brains and hard work

Bill Gates being worth billions didn't come at my expense. What he developed has made my life easier

We actually did the flooring at his early office. At night. And he was roaming the halls

Most people don't want to work 24/7. I didn't. The rich people I worked for did

There is no socialist or communist system ever that made as many people rich or comfortable middle as America

Simply an indisputable fact

So stop worrying and get your ass to work kids. Stop buying into bullshit like climate change. Embrace progress and cheap energy

Don't give up

1- Don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant in HS
2- Graduate HS
3- Get job
4- Get married

Follow these 4 easy steps and your odds of living in poverty are less than 3%.

#itshard
#itsaprocess

Brother I've been singing this tune for 20 years.

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

And @CirrhosisDawg calls them trash

The flaw in CD's and @creepycoug meritocracy argument will always be that you have to give Joe a decent chance to succeed. I don't believe in going all protectionist or having no low skill immigration, but things need to be balanced from time to time. If you only favor Joes, then us non Joes get fucked. If you favor mostly non Joes, like we've done the past 40 years, then the Joes give up and start doing stupid shit.

There's never a flaw in the creep. Don't forget that.

If you manage the welfare state with an iron fist (my idea: you can't draw on any public assistance until you've been here and employed for 10 years (make it 20 if you like that better), it won't be an issue. Labor and capital will migrate to where they should. Every day I hear or read about labor shortages. The truth is that MANY American citizens don't want to do many low-skill jobs. We have this problem YUGELY in my industry. It's also a problem in timber and forest products. The number of independent logging contractors is nowhere what it was when @dflea and @RaceBannon and @creepycoug were growing up TUFF down in timber country. Nobody wants to do it anymore. Has nothing to do with Clinton shutting down the national forests. Private industry struggles to get these services in all of the U.S. wood baskets. Seedling planting is even worse. I hear all the time from friends in the building trades that framers and other hard labor jobs are hard to fill.

So, no, we don't need all of Mexico and Central America to show up all at once or ever, but this idea that letting in more low-skill labor is fucking things up here just doesn't play out empirically where I hang out.

I'm all for balance, but I'm not all for human beings trying to legislate it because they always fuck it up. The market is the best means by which to achieve said balance because it factors in actual human behavior at the margin. ACTUAL human behavior; not theorized human behavior.

Stick with Creep. It hasn't steered you wrong yet young buck.

PS: chinned you anyway because you're a level-headed UW rowboat man.

The good, hardworking and decent oily haired folks can stay, Creep. But anyone who has more than a parking ticket needs to get the fuck out.

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

SFGbob said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

People can still make it in this country. Not being obsessed over what someone else has is a good start. No substitute for brains and hard work

Bill Gates being worth billions didn't come at my expense. What he developed has made my life easier

We actually did the flooring at his early office. At night. And he was roaming the halls

Most people don't want to work 24/7. I didn't. The rich people I worked for did

There is no socialist or communist system ever that made as many people rich or comfortable middle as America

Simply an indisputable fact

So stop worrying and get your ass to work kids. Stop buying into bullshit like climate change. Embrace progress and cheap energy

Don't give up

1- Don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant in HS
2- Graduate HS
3- Get job
4- Get married

Follow these 4 easy steps and your odds of living in poverty are less than 3%.

#itshard
#itsaprocess

Brother I've been singing this tune for 20 years.

And just look at the consequences when we as a society fail to hold people to these enter level expectations. I'm not talking about passing a law or employing some sort of morals police. I'm just talking about sending a message to everyone who lives here that this is an expectation that we believe everyone should achieve or attempt to achieve.

I say we should place a social stigma on not doing these things that's as least as strong as we have on smoking and or using the word "fag" in public. There should be some level of public shame if you don't clear this low bar that's at least equal to what you'd get if you lit up a cigarette in a restaurant.

Most of what ails the country would be solved by these steps. But the cycle of inter generational bad decision making seems impossible to break.

And now we've entwined race in these issues to the point that we as a society can no longer say what everyone knows is true or at least we used to know they were true. People didn't used to stigmatize out of wedlock births 60 years ago because they were a bunch of prudes who didn't approve of sex outside of marriage. Out of wedlock births were stigmatized because of the burden it placed on the family and society. Religion and morality were just the vehicles used to impose the stigma but they weren't the reason for it.

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

SFGbob said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

People can still make it in this country. Not being obsessed over what someone else has is a good start. No substitute for brains and hard work

Bill Gates being worth billions didn't come at my expense. What he developed has made my life easier

We actually did the flooring at his early office. At night. And he was roaming the halls

Most people don't want to work 24/7. I didn't. The rich people I worked for did

There is no socialist or communist system ever that made as many people rich or comfortable middle as America

Simply an indisputable fact

So stop worrying and get your ass to work kids. Stop buying into bullshit like climate change. Embrace progress and cheap energy

Don't give up

1- Don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant in HS
2- Graduate HS
3- Get job
4- Get married

Follow these 4 easy steps and your odds of living in poverty are less than 3%.

#itshard
#itsaprocess

Brother I've been singing this tune for 20 years.

And just look at the consequences when we as a society fail to hold people to these enter level expectations. I'm not talking about passing a law or employing some sort of morals police. I'm just talking about sending a message to everyone who lives here that this is an expectation that we believe everyone should achieve or attempt to achieve.

I say we should place a social stigma on not doing these things that's as least as strong as we have on smoking and or using the word "fag" in public. There should be some level of public shame if you don't clear this low bar that's at least equal to what you'd get if you lit up a cigarette in a restaurant.

Most of what ails the country would be solved by these steps. But the cycle of inter generational bad decision making seems impossible to break.

And now we've entwined race in these issues to the point that we as a society can no longer say what everyone knows is true or at least we used to know they were true. People didn't used to stigmatize out of wedlock births 60 years ago because they were a bunch of prudes who didn't approve of sex outside of marriage. Out of wedlock births were stigmatized because of the burden it placed on the family and society. Religion and morality were just the vehicles used to impose the stigma but they weren't the reason for it.

Agree, but I think it was both. There was always a morality component about fucking before being married. My wife's family was all over that shit. Of course everyone is full of shit and does shit behind closed doors, but hypocrisy is another thread.

People have been fucking before marriage for centuries and digging it. But there's a reason why the institution of marriage is a necessary evil for the successful raising of yoots. With how easy and cheap BC is in the 21st century there's no excuse for getting knocked up with a baby you can't take care of.

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

SFGbob said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

People can still make it in this country. Not being obsessed over what someone else has is a good start. No substitute for brains and hard work

Bill Gates being worth billions didn't come at my expense. What he developed has made my life easier

We actually did the flooring at his early office. At night. And he was roaming the halls

Most people don't want to work 24/7. I didn't. The rich people I worked for did

There is no socialist or communist system ever that made as many people rich or comfortable middle as America

Simply an indisputable fact

So stop worrying and get your ass to work kids. Stop buying into bullshit like climate change. Embrace progress and cheap energy

Don't give up

1- Don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant in HS
2- Graduate HS
3- Get job
4- Get married

Follow these 4 easy steps and your odds of living in poverty are less than 3%.

#itshard
#itsaprocess

Brother I've been singing this tune for 20 years.

And just look at the consequences when we as a society fail to hold people to these enter level expectations. I'm not talking about passing a law or employing some sort of morals police. I'm just talking about sending a message to everyone who lives here that this is an expectation that we believe everyone should achieve or attempt to achieve.

I say we should place a social stigma on not doing these things that's as least as strong as we have on smoking and or using the word "fag" in public. There should be some level of public shame if you don't clear this low bar that's at least equal to what you'd get if you lit up a cigarette in a restaurant.

Most of what ails the country would be solved by these steps. But the cycle of inter generational bad decision making seems impossible to break.

And now we've entwined race in these issues to the point that we as a society can no longer say what everyone knows is true or at least we used to know they were true. People didn't used to stigmatize out of wedlock births 60 years ago because they were a bunch of prudes who didn't approve of sex outside of marriage. Out of wedlock births were stigmatized because of the burden it placed on the family and society. Religion and morality were just the vehicles used to impose the stigma but they weren't the reason for it.

Agree, but I think it was both. There was always a morality component about fucking before being married. My wife's family was all over that shit. Of course everyone is full of shit and does shit behind closed doors, but hypocrisy is another thread.

But why did that morality component exist and how did it come into existence? It wasn't always there. Why did Society find the need to create it?

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

SFGbob said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

People can still make it in this country. Not being obsessed over what someone else has is a good start. No substitute for brains and hard work

Bill Gates being worth billions didn't come at my expense. What he developed has made my life easier

We actually did the flooring at his early office. At night. And he was roaming the halls

Most people don't want to work 24/7. I didn't. The rich people I worked for did

There is no socialist or communist system ever that made as many people rich or comfortable middle as America

Simply an indisputable fact

So stop worrying and get your ass to work kids. Stop buying into bullshit like climate change. Embrace progress and cheap energy

Don't give up

1- Don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant in HS
2- Graduate HS
3- Get job
4- Get married

Follow these 4 easy steps and your odds of living in poverty are less than 3%.

#itshard
#itsaprocess

Brother I've been singing this tune for 20 years.

And just look at the consequences when we as a society fail to hold people to these enter level expectations. I'm not talking about passing a law or employing some sort of morals police. I'm just talking about sending a message to everyone who lives here that this is an expectation that we believe everyone should achieve or attempt to achieve.

I say we should place a social stigma on not doing these things that's as least as strong as we have on smoking and or using the word "fag" in public. There should be some level of public shame if you don't clear this low bar that's at least equal to what you'd get if you lit up a cigarette in a restaurant.

Most of what ails the country would be solved by these steps. But the cycle of inter generational bad decision making seems impossible to break.

And now we've entwined race in these issues to the point that we as a society can no longer say what everyone knows is true or at least we used to know they were true. People didn't used to stigmatize out of wedlock births 60 years ago because they were a bunch of prudes who didn't approve of sex outside of marriage. Out of wedlock births were stigmatized because of the burden it placed on the family and society. Religion and morality were just the vehicles used to impose the stigma but they weren't the reason for it.

Agree, but I think it was both. There was always a morality component about fucking before being married. My wife's family was all over that shit. Of course everyone is full of shit and does shit behind closed doors, but hypocrisy is another thread.

But why did that morality component exist and how did it come into existence? It wasn't always there. Why did Society find the need to create it?

That's a chicken and egg question I guess. Deconstructed, I suppose all religious or moral cannon serves some practical societal purpose.

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

SFGbob said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

People can still make it in this country. Not being obsessed over what someone else has is a good start. No substitute for brains and hard work

Bill Gates being worth billions didn't come at my expense. What he developed has made my life easier

We actually did the flooring at his early office. At night. And he was roaming the halls

Most people don't want to work 24/7. I didn't. The rich people I worked for did

There is no socialist or communist system ever that made as many people rich or comfortable middle as America

Simply an indisputable fact

So stop worrying and get your ass to work kids. Stop buying into bullshit like climate change. Embrace progress and cheap energy

Don't give up

1- Don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant in HS
2- Graduate HS
3- Get job
4- Get married

Follow these 4 easy steps and your odds of living in poverty are less than 3%.

#itshard
#itsaprocess

Brother I've been singing this tune for 20 years.

And just look at the consequences when we as a society fail to hold people to these enter level expectations. I'm not talking about passing a law or employing some sort of morals police. I'm just talking about sending a message to everyone who lives here that this is an expectation that we believe everyone should achieve or attempt to achieve.

I say we should place a social stigma on not doing these things that's as least as strong as we have on smoking and or using the word "fag" in public. There should be some level of public shame if you don't clear this low bar that's at least equal to what you'd get if you lit up a cigarette in a restaurant.

Most of what ails the country would be solved by these steps. But the cycle of inter generational bad decision making seems impossible to break.

And now we've entwined race in these issues to the point that we as a society can no longer say what everyone knows is true or at least we used to know they were true. People didn't used to stigmatize out of wedlock births 60 years ago because they were a bunch of prudes who didn't approve of sex outside of marriage. Out of wedlock births were stigmatized because of the burden it placed on the family and society. Religion and morality were just the vehicles used to impose the stigma but they weren't the reason for it.

Agree, but I think it was both. There was always a morality component about fucking before being married. My wife's family was all over that shit. Of course everyone is full of shit and does shit behind closed doors, but hypocrisy is another thread.

But why did that morality component exist and how did it come into existence? It wasn't always there. Why did Society find the need to create it?

That's a chicken and egg question I guess. Deconstructed, I suppose all religious or moral cannon serves some practical societal purpose.