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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Pure bullshit. Why did it take over 150 years before the government started paying for people who'd weren't veteran's, healthcare?

    They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.

    Paying for Grandma's hip replacement doesn't provide for the welfare of the Union. It took a 150 years because the Constitutional Authority didn't exist and the Courts routinely struck down attempts to pay for the "welfare" of individuals. If that authority was always there, then why did the Court continue to reject that claim until the 1930s?

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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    You're not making any argument Hondo. Your making claims that are totally unsupported by what you're cutting and pasting. You're not arguing, your emoting and displaying your fucking stupidity.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,005
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    Socialism and communism are all in there too!

    Signed HondoBros.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Pure bullshit. Why did it take over 150 years before the government started paying for people who'd weren't veteran's, healthcare?

    They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.

    Paying for Grandma's hip replacement doesn't provide for the welfare of the Union. It took a 150 years because the Constitutional Authority didn't exist and the Courts routinely struck down attempts to pay for the "welfare" of individuals. If that authority was always there, then why did the Court continue to reject that claim until the 1930s?

    Why did it take 150 years to ban fully automatic weapons? Why did it take 150 years to put in regulations on banks? I could go on for days on actions that happened 150 years into the country. That's not an argument. Idiot.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    You're not making any argument Hondo. Your making claims that are totally unsupported by what you're cutting and pasting. You're not arguing, your emoting and displaying your fucking stupidity.
    The meltdown is real.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Dumbfuck, no one is arguing that government doesn't have the power to tax.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Pure bullshit. Why did it take over 150 years before the government started paying for people who'd weren't veteran's, healthcare?

    They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.

    Paying for Grandma's hip replacement doesn't provide for the welfare of the Union. It took a 150 years because the Constitutional Authority didn't exist and the Courts routinely struck down attempts to pay for the "welfare" of individuals. If that authority was always there, then why did the Court continue to reject that claim until the 1930s?

    Why did it take 150 years to ban fully automatic weapons? Why did it take 150 years to put in regulations on banks? I could go on for days on actions that happened 150 years into the country. That's not an argument. Idiot.
    Things a dumbfuck says.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Pure bullshit. Why did it take over 150 years before the government started paying for people who'd weren't veteran's, healthcare?

    They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.

    Paying for Grandma's hip replacement doesn't provide for the welfare of the Union. It took a 150 years because the Constitutional Authority didn't exist and the Courts routinely struck down attempts to pay for the "welfare" of individuals. If that authority was always there, then why did the Court continue to reject that claim until the 1930s?

    Why did it take 150 years to ban fully automatic weapons? Why did it take 150 years to put in regulations on banks? I could go on for days on actions that happened 150 years into the country. That's not an argument. Idiot.
    Things a dumbfuck says.
    White flag quickly raised.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    Unlike fully automatic weapons, there were parasites like you Hondo at the time of our founding that believed government should take care of them. Thankfully there were far fewer of those people then, than there are today. When the Federal Courts were faced with the lawsuits of parasites clamoring for the government to take care of them, for over 150 years the Court rejected their arguments, because the Constitution didn't allow for that kind of spending. "General Welfare" was never understood to provide for an individual's welfare, as even the cut and paste responses you posted clearly states.



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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,933
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    OK - I'll play:

    What does "General Welfare" constitute?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_welfare_clause

    Madison also advocated for the ratification of the Constitution at the Virginia ratifying convention with this narrow construction of the clause, asserting that spending must be at least tangentially tied to one of the other specifically enumerated powers, such as regulating interstate or foreign commerce, or providing for the military, as the General Welfare Clause is not a specific grant of power, but a statement of purpose qualifying the power to tax.[17][18]

    Alexander Hamilton, my name is Alexander Hamilton, and there's a million things I haven't done but just you wait, just you wait, only after the Constitution had been ratified,[19] argued for a broad interpretation which viewed spending as an enumerated power Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education, provided that the spending is general in nature and does not favor any specific section of the country over any other.[20]

    This debate surfaced in Congress in 1790, when Madison strongly criticized Hamilton's Report on Manufacturing and industry on the grounds that Hamilton was construing his broad interpretation of the clause as a legal basis for his extensive economic programs.[21]

    While Hamilton's view prevailed during the administrations of Presidents Washington and Adams, historians argue that his view of the General Welfare Clause was repudiated in the election of 1800, and helped establish the primacy of the Democratic-Republican Party for the subsequent 24 years.[22]

    Prior to 1936, the United States Supreme Court had imposed a narrow interpretation on the Clause, as demonstrated by the holding in Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co.,[23] in which a tax on child labor was an impermissible attempt to regulate commerce beyond that Court's equally narrow interpretation of the Commerce Clause. This narrow view was later overturned in United States v. Butler. There, the Court agreed with Associate Justice Joseph Story's construction in Story's 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. Story had concluded that the General Welfare Clause was not a general grant of legislative power, but also dismissed Madison's narrow construction requiring its use be dependent upon the other enumerated powers. Consequently, the Supreme Court held the power to tax and spend is an independent power and that the General Welfare Clause gives Congress power it might not derive anywhere else. However, the Court did limit the power to spending for matters affecting only the national welfare.

    Shortly after Butler, in Helvering v. Davis,[24] the Supreme Court interpreted the clause even more expansively, disavowing almost entirely any role for judicial review of Congressional spending policies, thereby conferring upon Congress a plenary power to impose taxes and to spend money for the general welfare subject almost entirely to Congress's own discretion. Even more recently, in South Dakota v. Dole[25] the Court held Congress possessed power to indirectly influence the states into adopting national standards by withholding, to a limited extent, federal funds. To date, the Hamiltonian view of the General Welfare Clause predominates in case law.

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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    Helvering v. Davis
    301 US 619, 57 S. Ct. 904, 81 L. Ed. 1307 - Supreme Court, 1937

    This was after FDR was able to put a few Justices on the Court and after he'd threaten to pack the court because they had continued to rule against him.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,005
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Pure bullshit. Why did it take over 150 years before the government started paying for people who'd weren't veteran's, healthcare?

    They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.

    Paying for Grandma's hip replacement doesn't provide for the welfare of the Union. It took a 150 years because the Constitutional Authority didn't exist and the Courts routinely struck down attempts to pay for the "welfare" of individuals. If that authority was always there, then why did the Court continue to reject that claim until the 1930s?

    Why did it take 150 years to ban fully automatic weapons? Why did it take 150 years to put in regulations on banks? I could go on for days on actions that happened 150 years into the country. That's not an argument. Idiot.
    Things a dumbfuck says.
    White flag quickly raised.
    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin

    Ben says Fuck off!
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Pure bullshit. Why did it take over 150 years before the government started paying for people who'd weren't veteran's, healthcare?

    They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.

    Paying for Grandma's hip replacement doesn't provide for the welfare of the Union. It took a 150 years because the Constitutional Authority didn't exist and the Courts routinely struck down attempts to pay for the "welfare" of individuals. If that authority was always there, then why did the Court continue to reject that claim until the 1930s?

    Why did it take 150 years to ban fully automatic weapons? Why did it take 150 years to put in regulations on banks? I could go on for days on actions that happened 150 years into the country. That's not an argument. Idiot.
    Things a dumbfuck says.
    White flag quickly raised.
    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin

    Ben says Fuck off!
    This evolved into a conversation on single payer medical insurance. Da fuq does that quote have to do with it?
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Notice how Hondo has nothing on this topic other than his cut and paste response that doesn't even support his position.

    Read the founders comments. If you don't think health Care could be included in the term "general welfare" as prescribed by the founders comments, that I linked, then you are dumber than I thought.
    Go ahead dumbfuck, quote the part that supports paying for an individual's healthcare. Tell us how paying for Grandma's hip replacement provided for the "General Welfare" of everyone. There's nothing in what you cut and pasted that supports your fucking stupidity.
    Ok Bob, I'll spoonfeed you. Read this quote.

    Thomas Jefferson asserted that “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”[14][15]

    So the government has the power to tax people to pay for the general welfare. Unlike the bullshit Race and you are saying, the Constitution doesn't mandate that they pay for medical. But the government is allowed to tax to pay for the welfare of the people. And medical would be counted in that. And the supreme Court agrees.

    Serious question Bob. Are you this dumb or are you arguing just to argue?
    Pure bullshit. Why did it take over 150 years before the government started paying for people who'd weren't veteran's, healthcare?

    They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.

    Paying for Grandma's hip replacement doesn't provide for the welfare of the Union. It took a 150 years because the Constitutional Authority didn't exist and the Courts routinely struck down attempts to pay for the "welfare" of individuals. If that authority was always there, then why did the Court continue to reject that claim until the 1930s?

    Why did it take 150 years to ban fully automatic weapons? Why did it take 150 years to put in regulations on banks? I could go on for days on actions that happened 150 years into the country. That's not an argument. Idiot.
    Things a dumbfuck says.
    White flag quickly raised.
    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin

    Ben says Fuck off!
    This evolved into a conversation on single payer medical insurance. Da fuq does that quote have to do with it?
    Ben Franklin opposed you parasites back in the day and his observations were valid then and they're valid now.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    Hondo, where did I say that Congress doesn't have the power to tax?
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