OOC Schedule Redux
At least for now it looks like Petersen will have until the 2018 season to get Husky Football ready for a true ACX formula OOC schedule that would possibly challenge Boise State...... when UW hosts Wisconsin, Nevada, and North Dakota. Until then, Woody has so far set Pete up with an FCS cupcake diet of Sacramento State (2015), Portland State (2016), and Montana (2017).
Perhaps Petersen's toughest OOC challenge will come in 2015 when after hosting Sac State and Hawaii to start the season, he'll take his Huskies to Boise and a one-way grudge match with BSU in Bronco Stadium. The 2015 season will treat us with an XCB formula OOC schedule. Not sure yet what C's and B's Woody will line up to go with our X-cupcakes in 2016 and 2017. Can we expect more OOC excitement or the usual? I'm lobbying for Woody to switch the Montana game to Missoula so that I can fly-fish the Big Blackfoot, but expect to fail and be forced to give my tickets and parking pass to the grandsons who don't care about modern Huskies playing cupcakes.
I'm there...... I'm at the point where I truly don't give a fuck about our OOC schedules and my season ticket costs are now $1000 per seat of which something over $200 per seat is a total rip-off. I wonder what Petersen, a highly competitive and fearless football coach thinks of this OOC business at mighty Washington. He leaves Boise State, which struggled to schedule BCS schools and can never gain membership in an automatic qualifier conference, to come to UW for a lot more money to feast on a panzy-assed OOC lineup of cupcakes while getting his program ready to compete for all the marbles in the overrated Pac-12. Got to be sweet which most higher-pressure jobs are these days.
This post may be annoying, but its not as long and boring as our fucking OOC schedule.
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It wouldn't shock me if after it becomes clear how the new playoff system measures teams that you start seeing us trying to back out of some of these cupcake games ... particularly if we are towards the top end of the conference (which we should be) and therefore a threat for a Top 4 berth.
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I saw where it was reported that an issue of setting minimum standards for qualifying was formally discussed when the new four-school championship playoff system was being negotiated, but the issue was tabled for later on when some parties present insisted that games against FCS (division-1AA) not be counted in any way for any purpose. I don't think that the issue will come up again for a number of reasons having to do with gate money for both the big school qualifiers and the FCS schools who of course will never benefit from any FBS (division-1A) playoff. The NCAA I believe will want to keep open a trickle down revenue source for the FCS schools even though it fucks up our regular season. It's not just about money, but how it's distributed to those who can't participate in it's making.
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Socialism is fucking up our OCC is what you're saying. Make us suckers pay $1000 a seat to sit through shitty games just to subsidize the schools that probably shouldn't have a team..or sports at all.Tailgater said:I saw where it was reported that an issue of setting minimum standards for qualifying was formally discussed when the new four-school championship playoff system was being negotiated, but the issue was tabled for later on when some parties present insisted that games against FCS (division-1AA) not be counted in any way for any purpose. I don't think that the issue will come up again for a number of reasons having to do with gate money for both the big school qualifiers and the FCS schools who of course will never benefit from any FBS (division-1A) playoff. The NCAA I believe will want to keep open a trickle down revenue source for the FCS schools even though it fucks up our regular season. It's not just about money, but how it's distributed to those who can't participate in it's making.
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If it's socialism. it
If it's socialism, it's more like corporate welfare than communism, Swedism, Germism, or even Candaism. Large universities particularly those that are into bigtime revenue producing atheltics such as football and men's basketball have through the NCAA been operating what clearly amounts to a trust, not for the purpose of price control, but certainly for controlling costs and sharing profits. Our UW is an example of many so-called public universities that are far more private sector that they are public in carrying on and expanding the business interests they need to continue doing the public's business of providing the higher education that taxpayer despised government can no longer be committed to.MikeDamone said:
Socialism is fucking up our OCC is what you're saying. Make us suckers pay $1000 a seat to sit through shitty games just to subsidize the schools that probably shouldn't have a team..or sports at all.Tailgater said:I saw where it was reported that an issue of setting minimum standards for qualifying was formally discussed when the new four-school championship playoff system was being negotiated, but the issue was tabled for later on when some parties present insisted that games against FCS (division-1AA) not be counted in any way for any purpose. I don't think that the issue will come up again for a number of reasons having to do with gate money for both the big school qualifiers and the FCS schools who of course will never benefit from any FBS (division-1A) playoff. The NCAA I believe will want to keep open a trickle down revenue source for the FCS schools even though it fucks up our regular season. It's not just about money, but how it's distributed to those who can't participate in it's making.
Yah, I get it: TL; DR
I'm okay with it because as compared to all the research, development, and joint venture entrepreneurialism universities are into these days, NCAA athletics is getting to be small peanuts. Also and more importantly, universities could be replacing private sector corporations and capitalists who no longer care to be the innovators and prime movers in that part of the American Dream that provides the interesting and better paying jobs and career opportunities for (gasp!) people. If it keeps going the way it is now, there could come a day in our country when universities like the UW will own the GE's and GMC's of the World rather than the other way around, and then you'll see corporate welfare that hasn't yet been invented.
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Montana is not a cupcake. I don't see the problem scheduling FCS / I-AA teams if they are contenders. You should stop rolling all FCS teams into one dismissive bucket. The top tier fcs programs will put up a fight and I think it's better to invite local FCS teams (except the true crappy ones, eg Idaho St) than some middling IA team.
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Dawgs will be favored by -21 over montana any year they play. Will be favored by -18.5 over Ewa next year. Plus, you have to pay D1-aa teams to come and play in Seattle.
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They will only put up a fight if the other team has a catastrophic gameplan, like Oregon State vs. EWA.ApostleofGrief said:Montana is not a cupcake. I don't see the problem scheduling FCS / I-AA teams if they are contenders. You should stop rolling all FCS teams into one dismissive bucket. The top tier fcs programs will put up a fight and I think it's better to invite local FCS teams (except the true crappy ones, eg Idaho St) than some middling IA team.
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There is no benefit to playing FCS teams. If you beat the shit out of them, you were supposed to. If you barely beat them, it's embarrassing. If you lose to them, you get fired at the 50 yard line and then go DIAFF.
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Your players don't develop either because they are playing against shitty players. The fans are bored as fuck. It's definitely a no-win situation.EsophagealFeces said:There is no benefit to playing FCS teams. If you beat the shit out of them, you were supposed to. If you barely beat them, it's embarrassing. If you lose to them, you get fired at the 50 yard line and then go DIAFF.
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yet we still have the play in the apple cup every year.EsophagealFeces said:There is no benefit to playing FCS teams. If you beat the shit out of them, you were supposed to. If you barely beat them, it's embarrassing. If you lose to them, you get fired at the 50 yard line and then go DIAFF.
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Contenders in what? The Big Sky? The FCS Division 1-AA? Montana is allowed 20 fewer scholarships and smaller coaching staff. The Grizz is an underdog by design..... that's the definition of a cupcake for those of you who need a clue. Montana is one FCS Division 1-AA football program that could move up to FBS Division 1-A if they wanted to and they have thought about it the past, so why don't they? For one thing, there would never be an FBS conference for them to join and a second is probably that they would not be able to bring arch rival Montana State with them.ApostleofGrief said:Montana is not a cupcake. I don't see the problem scheduling FCS / I-AA teams if they are contenders. You should stop rolling all FCS teams into one dismissive bucket. The top tier fcs programs will put up a fight and I think it's better to invite local FCS teams (except the true crappy ones, eg Idaho St) than some middling IA team.
The fact that Big Sky powers Montana, Portland State, and Eastern Washington are FCS cupcakes is really not the point. The point is that it is a fucking insult to those of us who buy UW season tickets as well as a blatant rip-off. We deserve better than a scrimmage opponent to beat up on each season and if the Huskies should loose to one of these FCS contenders, it would be the biggest embarrassment in UW athletic history...... even worse that 0-12. There is absolutely nothing to gain from beating the likes of Montana and everything to lose if we don't. Not my idea of appropriate gridiron competition for UW players, coaches, fans, and boosters.
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well, woody is obviously going to keep up scheduling the FCS teams. I mean, look, anybody with half a brain can post on the internet. Is woody going to change his mind based upon your sage wisdom? My point is only that since FCS teams will be appearing regularly, get the good ones. You keep saying how much of a cupcake Eastern is, but i watched the cupcake put up 500 yards to 250 yards on the huskys last time. THe real cupcake is like Idaho State. Central could roll Idaho state on a good year, and did in fact just that. You keep writing that off the last Eastern game as a fluke. I don't see how losing to a true contender FCS team would be the biggest embarrassment in UW athletic history. That history is full of a lot of embarrassment of all types.
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Honestly, if we're going to schedule these teams we need to do what Auburn did in scheduling a bottom-feeder in another AQ conference. And I doubt Woody will keep scheduling these teams when/if it becomes obvious we're a powerhouse again.
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disagreeApostleofGrief said:well, woody is obviously going to keep up scheduling the FCS teams. I mean, look, anybody with half a brain can post on the internet. Is woody going to change his mind based upon your sage wisdom? My point is only that since FCS teams will be appearing regularly, get the good ones. You keep saying how much of a cupcake Eastern is, but i watched the cupcake put up 500 yards to 250 yards on the huskys last time. THe real cupcake is like Idaho State. Central could roll Idaho state on a good year, and did in fact just that. You keep writing that off the last Eastern game as a fluke. I don't see how losing to a true contender FCS team would be the biggest embarrassment in UW athletic history. That history is full of a lot of embarrassment of all types.
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I fully understand your point of view since you obviously are not a UW player, coach, fan, or booster. Of course, such indifference and non-affiliation doesn't make you right in any way.ApostleofGrief said:well, woody is obviously going to keep up scheduling the FCS teams. I mean, look, anybody with half a brain can post on the internet. Is woody going to change his mind based upon your sage wisdom? My point is only that since FCS teams will be appearing regularly, get the good ones. You keep saying how much of a cupcake Eastern is, but i watched the cupcake put up 500 yards to 250 yards on the huskys last time. THe real cupcake is like Idaho State. Central could roll Idaho state on a good year, and did in fact just that. You keep writing that off the last Eastern game as a fluke. I don't see how losing to a true contender FCS team would be the biggest embarrassment in UW athletic history. That history is full of a lot of embarrassment of all types.
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It's actually more about money for AD Woodward, although giving UW's football program a FCS cupcake and too-easy win each year looks good on paper while telling scoreboard to get stretched. Back to the money thing, the non-AQ conference FBS bottom feeders started asking for what AD's like Woody must think is unreasonable money a few years ago as compared to FCS cupcakes. For example, I saw a report that the University of Idaho, which is just barely still classified FBS Division 1-A so long as they continue to find some podunk non-AQ conference to belong to each year, was asking for in excess of $1million to come to Husky Stadium in Seattle. UW was able to contract with FCS Idaho State for less than half of what the Idaho Vandals were asking.haie said:Honestly, if we're going to schedule these teams we need to do what Auburn did in scheduling a bottom-feeder in another AQ conference. And I doubt Woody will keep scheduling these teams when/if it becomes obvious we're a powerhouse again.
Think about it..... the U of I draws 10,000 fans if they're lucky in backwoods Moscow and desperately needs money to keep it's football head above FBS water along side arch-enemy Boise State which refuses to schedule Idaho's "big school" university anymore. The Vandalosers did manage to get down to Tallahassee for good ol' 14-80 stomping by Florida State in 2013, which of course was Idaho's bowl game. The FCS cupcakes whose football programs are by NCAA rule considerably scaled down still require whatever revenue they can get by subjecting their undermanned and undercoached kids to scrimmage pounding on the road once or twice each year, while FBS bottom feeders have to ask for whatever they can get to continue in bigtime football where they don't belong. It's a collegiate football system that only the NCAA could fuck-up so badly.
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Tailpipe, I know you're worried about how coach 'feels' and all, but, I'm pretty sure Peterman knows he plays a Pac-12 schedule in a BCS power conference and doesn't give a flying fuck what the media (hi, Kim!) thinks about it
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They won't stop scheduling FCS schools until some big time 1 loss team with a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule is left out of the playoff. There ought to be a risk/reward proposition to really boost strength of schedule to encourage FBS teams to play each other more OOC.
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The infuriating thing is fans lose. Who are our biggest OOC games coming up? Illinois, Boise Beauty Academy, and SUNJ? El vomito.
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Between AOG FS posts and Tailgaters usual TL;DR this thread doesn't deliver.
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I was hoping also, but with Woody's scheduling, it's obviously not going to happen. I guess I will now have to hope that some day the folks selecting the contenders for the four-team championship play-off will tell AQ schools and all others who wish to become AQ that games won against FCS cupcakes count as zero when selection time comes around. That I expect would speak to chicken-shit ADs louder even than money for softball.
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Sarktaster,...... Petersen is an adult football coach and I'm certain we'll never know what he truly thinks about getting ready to scrimmage with the likes of EWU, Portland state, Sac State, or Montana. As for playing the conference schedule, anybody who knows anything about bigtime college football understands that the Huskies are far better prepared for the Pac-12 by beating Michigan or Ohio State in Husky Stadium during the OOC preseason. If we want our team to soften itself up for conference play, feasting on FCS cupcakes is bound to help the cause. Also, it will get paying Dawgfans ready for giving tickets away and staying home while the weather is still nice.sarktastic said:Tailpipe, I know you're worried about how coach 'feels' and all, but, I'm pretty sure Peterman knows he plays a Pac-12 schedule in a BCS power conference and doesn't give a flying fuck what the media (hi, Kim!) thinks about it
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UW has played EWU once, and barely won, getting killed actually in stats 2 to 1. EWU just got done beating a PAC-12 team last year. Oregon St. is respectable program. There is zero, none, zip, nada, nil reason to classify EWU as a cupcake. THere just isn't. If anything the game would be comparable to your typical San Jose St, Nevada, San Diego St, etc. It doesn't have anything to do with "if I am a UW fan, booster, or some other arrogant SOB".
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Those are cupcakes too.ApostleofGrief said:UW has played EWU once, and barely won, getting killed actually in stats 2 to 1. EWU just got done beating a PAC-12 team last year. Oregon St. is respectable program. There is zero, none, zip, nada, nil reason to classify EWU as a cupcake. THere just isn't. If anything the game would be comparable to your typical San Jose St, Nevada, San Diego St, etc. It doesn't have anything to do with "if I am a UW fan, booster, or some other arrogant SOB".
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This is why I rarely read his posts. Writes a fucking novel every damn time.sarktastic said:tl, dr.
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Tailgater is just the old man version of Tequila. PLSS is the medicated version of Tailgater.He_Needs_More_Time said:
This is why I rarely read his posts. Writes a fucking novel every damn time.sarktastic said:tl, dr.
Can you post a cliff notes version?
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THis year's OCC schedule is very, very lame, but I think the EWU game shouldn't be singled out in particular. Those other teams on there, Jesus Christ, could all be beaten by Eastern. The problem is that there is no notre dame, nebraska, or even like a tough midwest team on there.
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Probably your best post you've ever had.ApostleofGrief said:THis year's OCC schedule is very, very lame, but I think the EWU game shouldn't be singled out in particular. Those other teams on there, Jesus Christ, could all be beaten by Eastern. The problem is that there is no notre dame, nebraska, or even like a tough midwest team on there.
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