How come "toxic masculinity" in the form of Honor killings is almost exclusively a Muslim problem?
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There are no words for this ignorance.
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It's certainly not a problem in the west. Is there no toxic masculinity in the West?HHusky said:There are no words for this ignorance.
Latino culture has a lot of toxic masculinity. Are there a lot of honor killings in Mexico? -
I found one that happened here:
Noor Almaleki was 20 years old and living in Pheonix when she and her friend, 43-year-old Amal Khalaf, were struck by a car driven by Noor’s father. While Amal survived, Noor later died, and her father, Faleh al-Maleki, was later convicted of killing his daughter.
The case of Noor Almaleki has drawn attention, most recently last weekend on CBS’s “48 Hours: Mystery” program, as a suspected case of a so-called “Honor Killing”—one committed here in the United States.
And yet, while the case of Noor Almaleki has made national headlines because it happened in Arizona, so-called “honor killings” happen around the world at an alarming rate, often with little press and no justice for the victim.
Weird it was carried out by a Muslim. -
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The fact you use “honor killings” exclusively to describe Muslims murdering family members doesn’t mean that other cultures have fewer shame driven murders of family members. Your take is absurd. It’s factually incorrect.SFGbob said:
It's certainly not a problem in the west. Is there no toxic masculinity in the West?HHusky said:There are no words for this ignorance.
Latino culture has a lot of toxic masculinity. Are there a lot of honor killings in Mexico? -
Wow, here's another one in Canada by a Muslim.
https://torontosun.com/news/world/canadian-islam-convert-strangled-in-honour-killing-cops -
I'm open to some evidence that these types of murders of women happen with the same frequency in other cultures. I'm sure there are some but once again you appear to be running interference for the Religion of Peace O'Keefed.HHusky said:
The fact you use “honor killings” exclusively to describe Muslims murdering family members doesn’t mean that other cultures have fewer shame driven murders of family members. Your take is absurd. It’s factually incorrect.SFGbob said:
It's certainly not a problem in the west. Is there no toxic masculinity in the West?HHusky said:There are no words for this ignorance.
Latino culture has a lot of toxic masculinity. Are there a lot of honor killings in Mexico?
This is where you tell me you have a Muslim friend that would never murder is daughter. -
Turn off the TV and go play outside please bob.
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The Mooselimb religion is incompatible with western culture. We've known this for over 1500 years. You can't rewrite it now. History people, history.
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Weird, here's one from England again involving Muslims. What an odd coincidence.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-girl-honour-killing-throat-slit-her-name-locations-country-thank-god-everything-a7860316.html -
What is behind the idea of killing someone for honour?
Honour killings are deeply steeped in the tribal traditions of countries such as India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Syria, Persian Gulf countries and Turkey.
Amnesty International says it boils down to a “deeply rooted belief that women are objects and commodities, not human beings entitled to dignity and rights equal to those of men”.
Now what is it that those countries all share in common? I just can't quite put my finger on it.
I blame the Israeli occupation. -
Bob hates Muslims and wants you to as well.Gwad said:Turn off the TV and go play outside please bob.
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Europe Grapples with "Honor Killings"
See, it's not just a Muslim problem.
Oh wait:
Experts say the problem is directly linked to the immigrant populations of the European countries.
Thus, according to Böhmecke, most of Germany's honor-related crimes happen within the Turkish population, the largest foreign group. "Many of them have been living here for years, speak perfect German and are well-integrated. But they often call only after the violence has escalated," Böhmecke said.
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Still waiting on those other cultures that practice honor killing with anything near the frequency that Muslim practice it O'Keefed. Weird the way nearly all the Honor Killings taking place in Western countries are all being carried out by Muslims.
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There is significant garden variety “honor killing” in tribal or mixed tribal and modern societies. Hindu honor killing in parts of India, for example, where Christian honor killings have also occurred. Even the highest guesstimates of honor killings in the US are very low. And this isn’t to ignore the fact that American parents are more likely to be their child’s murderer than a stranger is. The father is more likely to intentionally kill a rebellious teenager—just as the Bible commands.SFGbob said:
I'm open to some evidence that these types of murders of women happen with the same frequency in other cultures. I'm sure there are some but once again you appear to be running interference for the Religion of Peace O'Keefed.HHusky said:
The fact you use “honor killings” exclusively to describe Muslims murdering family members doesn’t mean that other cultures have fewer shame driven murders of family members. Your take is absurd. It’s factually incorrect.SFGbob said:
It's certainly not a problem in the west. Is there no toxic masculinity in the West?HHusky said:There are no words for this ignorance.
Latino culture has a lot of toxic masculinity. Are there a lot of honor killings in Mexico?
This is where you tell me you have a Muslim friend that would never murder is daughter. -
You're comparing apples to dog shit O'Keefed. Parents who abuse their children and kill them aren't doing so as part of their religion. Christians murdering their daughters because they refuse to marry the person that they were arranged to marry or because they talked to a man who wasn't a relative or they posted a photo on Instagram is fucking unheard of outside maybe some severely mentally ill individuals in the West unless the person is Muslim.HHusky said:
There is significant garden variety “honor killing” in tribal or mixed tribal and modern societies. Hindu honor killing in parts of India, for example, where Christian honor killings have also occurred. Even the highest guesstimates of honor killings in the US are very low. And this isn’t to ignore the fact that American parents are more likely to be their child’s murderer than a stranger is. The father is more likely to intentionally kill a rebellious teenager—just as the Bible commands.SFGbob said:
I'm open to some evidence that these types of murders of women happen with the same frequency in other cultures. I'm sure there are some but once again you appear to be running interference for the Religion of Peace O'Keefed.HHusky said:
The fact you use “honor killings” exclusively to describe Muslims murdering family members doesn’t mean that other cultures have fewer shame driven murders of family members. Your take is absurd. It’s factually incorrect.SFGbob said:
It's certainly not a problem in the west. Is there no toxic masculinity in the West?HHusky said:There are no words for this ignorance.
Latino culture has a lot of toxic masculinity. Are there a lot of honor killings in Mexico?
This is where you tell me you have a Muslim friend that would never murder is daughter.
Anywhere you find Muslims you'll find honor killings and you'll also often find no actions taken by the authorities against the killers if they are in a Muslim country. Can you say the same about the few Christians who might have done something similar?
Face it O'Keefed, Muslims murder gays, murder women and are generally more fucked up and backwards than the rest of the world, despite your Muslim friend who wouldn't hurt a fly. -
And of course other than you're unsupported bullshit about Christian father murdering their rebellious teenagers as commanded by the Bible you've provided nothing to show that honor killings happen outside of Muslim cultures with anything near the frequency that they do in Muslim cultures.
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The UN estimates that around 5,000 women and girls are murdered each year in so-called “honor killings” by members of their families
“Honor” killings are widely reported in regions throughout the Middle East and South Asia, but these crimes against women occur in countries as varied as Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, Uganda, United Kingdom, and the United States.
Love to do a little research into the honor killings being carried out in the UK, Sweden, United States and Canada. No doubt it's Christian fathers following the commands of the Bible, right O'Keefed? -
You have a very tiny number of religiously inspired murders of family members in the US. We have a growing number of Muslims here. Hint: people who want to live here probably like modernity, though we do have a number of murderous neo-pagan white supremacists who tend to be native born.SFGbob said:And of course other than you're unsupported bullshit about Christian father murdering their rebellious teenagers as commanded by the Bible you've provided nothing to show that honor killings happen outside of Muslim cultures with anything near the frequency that they do in Muslim cultures.
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Bob is on the struggle bus today and pressing hard as fuck. It's like watching a train wreck.
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Weird, they are all Muslims.
In 2012, police arrested the mother, father and sister of 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi in Phoenix after they allegedly beat, restrained and burned her for reportedly declining an arranged marriage with an older man and talking to another boy.
- In 2009, Aasiya Hassan was beheaded by her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, at the Buffalo, N.Y., Muslim TV station where they worked for allegedly requesting a divorce. The Pakistani-born killer defended himself at trial, never denied his guilt and was convicted in 2011. A few months before Hassan was killed, Sandeela Kanwal was strangled by her father outside Atlanta for failing to “be true to her religion” because she wanted to leave an arranged marriage.
- In the 2008 case in Irving, Yasser Said, a cab driver from Egypt, is suspected of shooting his two daughters, Amina, 18, and Sarah Said, 17, in the back of his taxi because they were dating non-Muslim boys and embracing Western culture. Said has been a fugitive ever since.
- In 2007, an Illinois man – Subhash Chander – set an apartment fire that killed his pregnant 22-year-old daughter, son-in-law and 3-year-old grandson because he disapproved of the marriage.
- And in one of the earliest widely reported cases of honor killing in the U.S., 16-year-old Palestina Isa, of St. Louis, was murdered in 1989 by her father Zein Isa, who was helped by her mother. Zein Isa was angry that his daughter had gotten a job and was dating an African-American boy. Both parents were convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Zein Isa died on death row in 1997, while his wife's sentence was commuted to life in prison without parole.
Honor violence is an even bigger problem in other parts of the Western world, with a reported 11,000 cases of honor violence recorded in the United Kingdom in the last five years while incidents also have been documented in Canada, Germany, France and Sweden.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/honor-killing-in-america-doj-report-says-growing-problem-is-hidden-in-stats -
Oh I agree, it's a very small number here in the US. It's just almost all of them by some weird coincidence happen to be Muslim.HHusky said:
You have a very tiny number of religiously inspired murders of family members in the US. We have a growing number of Muslims here. Hint: people who want to live here probably like modernity, though we do have a number of murderous neo-pagan white supremacists who tend to be native born.SFGbob said:And of course other than you're unsupported bullshit about Christian father murdering their rebellious teenagers as commanded by the Bible you've provided nothing to show that honor killings happen outside of Muslim cultures with anything near the frequency that they do in Muslim cultures.
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We have had tens of thousands of murders in the US over the past 30 years. You’ve cited five “honor killings”. You’re making my point.SFGbob said:Weird, they are all Muslims.
In 2012, police arrested the mother, father and sister of 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi in Phoenix after they allegedly beat, restrained and burned her for reportedly declining an arranged marriage with an older man and talking to another boy.
- In 2009, Aasiya Hassan was beheaded by her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, at the Buffalo, N.Y., Muslim TV station where they worked for allegedly requesting a divorce. The Pakistani-born killer defended himself at trial, never denied his guilt and was convicted in 2011. A few months before Hassan was killed, Sandeela Kanwal was strangled by her father outside Atlanta for failing to “be true to her religion” because she wanted to leave an arranged marriage.
- In the 2008 case in Irving, Yasser Said, a cab driver from Egypt, is suspected of shooting his two daughters, Amina, 18, and Sarah Said, 17, in the back of his taxi because they were dating non-Muslim boys and embracing Western culture. Said has been a fugitive ever since.
- In 2007, an Illinois man – Subhash Chander – set an apartment fire that killed his pregnant 22-year-old daughter, son-in-law and 3-year-old grandson because he disapproved of the marriage.
- And in one of the earliest widely reported cases of honor killing in the U.S., 16-year-old Palestina Isa, of St. Louis, was murdered in 1989 by her father Zein Isa, who was helped by her mother. Zein Isa was angry that his daughter had gotten a job and was dating an African-American boy. Both parents were convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Zein Isa died on death row in 1997, while his wife's sentence was commuted to life in prison without parole.
Honor violence is an even bigger problem in other parts of the Western world, with a reported 11,000 cases of honor violence recorded in the United Kingdom in the last five years while incidents also have been documented in Canada, Germany, France and Sweden.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/honor-killing-in-america-doj-report-says-growing-problem-is-hidden-in-stats -
2001400ex said:
Bob is on the struggle bus today and pressing hard as fuck. It's like watching a train wreck.
Speaking of struggling:
Obama never once used the $2,500 savings comment on the insurance mandate bill. That was a campaign promise of single payer that he never followed through on.
Two sentences 3 lies.
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Are you under some illusion that I'm saying there are no murders in the country outside of Honor killings my strawman ass fucking murderous Muslim apologist Kunt of friend?HHusky said:
We have had tens of thousands of murders in the US over the past 30 years. You’ve cited five “honor killings”. You’re making my point.SFGbob said:Weird, they are all Muslims.
In 2012, police arrested the mother, father and sister of 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi in Phoenix after they allegedly beat, restrained and burned her for reportedly declining an arranged marriage with an older man and talking to another boy.
- In 2009, Aasiya Hassan was beheaded by her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, at the Buffalo, N.Y., Muslim TV station where they worked for allegedly requesting a divorce. The Pakistani-born killer defended himself at trial, never denied his guilt and was convicted in 2011. A few months before Hassan was killed, Sandeela Kanwal was strangled by her father outside Atlanta for failing to “be true to her religion” because she wanted to leave an arranged marriage.
- In the 2008 case in Irving, Yasser Said, a cab driver from Egypt, is suspected of shooting his two daughters, Amina, 18, and Sarah Said, 17, in the back of his taxi because they were dating non-Muslim boys and embracing Western culture. Said has been a fugitive ever since.
- In 2007, an Illinois man – Subhash Chander – set an apartment fire that killed his pregnant 22-year-old daughter, son-in-law and 3-year-old grandson because he disapproved of the marriage.
- And in one of the earliest widely reported cases of honor killing in the U.S., 16-year-old Palestina Isa, of St. Louis, was murdered in 1989 by her father Zein Isa, who was helped by her mother. Zein Isa was angry that his daughter had gotten a job and was dating an African-American boy. Both parents were convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Zein Isa died on death row in 1997, while his wife's sentence was commuted to life in prison without parole.
Honor violence is an even bigger problem in other parts of the Western world, with a reported 11,000 cases of honor violence recorded in the United Kingdom in the last five years while incidents also have been documented in Canada, Germany, France and Sweden.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/honor-killing-in-america-doj-report-says-growing-problem-is-hidden-in-stats
Can you find 5 honor killings carried out by Christians in this country in the last 5 years O'Keefed? Should be easy since Christians out number Muslims by a huge majority. -
Subhash Chander, 64, was found guilty late Thursday by a jury of three counts of first-degree murder for spreading gasoline at the 36-unit building and igniting it — apparently out of anger that his daughter had married beneath her status in India's caste system and without his consent, according to prosecutors.SFGbob said:Weird, they are all Muslims.
- In 2007, an Illinois man – Subhash Chander – set an apartment fire that killed his pregnant 22-year-old daughter, son-in-law and 3-year-old grandson because he disapproved of the marriage.
Rani and her husband married at the Hindu Temple of Greater Chicago in Lemont. People there remembered her as "a nice kid."
Though some relatives said Chander had a role in caring for his grandson, Vansh, others said there had been trouble between Chander and his daughter during her three-year marriage to Arora. They also said Chander was argumentative and a heavy drinker and his drinking often played a role in his conflicts with family. While in jail awaiting trial, he received treatment for cirrhosis of the liver. -
It’s not weird that most of our religiously inspired murders, which dwarf the number of honor killings, take a different form. We’re far removed from our tribal past and far more modern in our reasons for killing innocent people.SFGbob said:
Oh I agree, it's a very small number here in the US. It's just almost all of them by some weird coincidence happen to be Muslim.HHusky said:
You have a very tiny number of religiously inspired murders of family members in the US. We have a growing number of Muslims here. Hint: people who want to live here probably like modernity, though we do have a number of murderous neo-pagan white supremacists who tend to be native born.SFGbob said:And of course other than you're unsupported bullshit about Christian father murdering their rebellious teenagers as commanded by the Bible you've provided nothing to show that honor killings happen outside of Muslim cultures with anything near the frequency that they do in Muslim cultures.
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You've out thought the room on this one Bob. WTF is your point?
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Ya Bob what the fuck is your point?HustlinOwl said:You've out thought the room on this one Bob. WTF is your point?
