Tl;DR piece on Joe Rogan from The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/08/my-joe-rogan-experience/594802/
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I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.
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I kind of have a love-hate attitude towards Joe. On the one hand, I think he's a UFC, meathead, douche canoe. But then he gets a lot a great guests on his pod and I like his style of hosting.GrundleStiltzkin said:I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.
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yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.
I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.
[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.] -
I had that preconception too and then started listening to selected pods recently. It's good shit.YellowSnow said:
I kind of have a love-hate attitude towards Joe. On the one hand, I think he's a UFC, meathead, douche canoe. But then he gets a lot a great guests on his pod and I like his style of hosting.GrundleStiltzkin said:I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.
That writer's handwringing over Joe was beta as fuck. -
Agree. Lot of Beta here. Still and interesting piece though and he does give Joe some respeck.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I had that preconception too and then started listening to selected pods recently. It's good shit.YellowSnow said:
I kind of have a love-hate attitude towards Joe. On the one hand, I think he's a UFC, meathead, douche canoe. But then he gets a lot a great guests on his pod and I like his style of hosting.GrundleStiltzkin said:I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.
That writer's handwringing over Joe was beta as fuck.
I think I started to come around to Joe when I listened to his pod with my hero, Sam Harris. -
I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?UW_Doog_Bot said:yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.
I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.
[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.] -
No.creepycoug said:
I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?UW_Doog_Bot said:yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.
I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.
[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.] -
It's more the fact that this is the stereotype the author needs to fall back on to justify his feelings about Joe Rogan.creepycoug said:
I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?UW_Doog_Bot said:yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.
I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.
[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]
I'd expect he'd use the same stereotype to describe HH were he to visit. -
I fucking love stereotyping @UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot said:
It's more the fact that this is the stereotype the author needs to fall back on to justify his feelings about Joe Rogan.creepycoug said:
I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?UW_Doog_Bot said:yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.
I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.
[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]
I'd expect he'd use the same stereotype to describe HH were he to visit.
Fucking weirdos!!
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a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt
Damn fucking straight. The elites hate my schtick.
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I've always been a man of the people
People of all walks of life like me.
But the best thing is when you get old you no longer give a fuck what anyone thinks -
Uhh who is the qb under Day dipshit? Fuck Race, u been paying attention?RaceBannon said:I've always been a man of the people
People of all walks of life like me.
But the best thing is when you get old you no longer give a fuck what anyone thinks -
Joe likes weed, boobies and fighting.....
How can ANY male take umbrage at that?!?
Edit: I forgot the @Dennis_DeYoung s probably don't really give two fucks about boobies - but weed and fighting is still cool, right?
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Even gay d00ds love b00bs.PurpleThrobber said:Joe likes weed, boobies and fighting.....
How can ANY male take umbrage at that?!?
Edit: I forgot the @Dennis_DeYoung s probably don't really give two fucks about boobies - but weed and fighting is still cool, right? -
dnc said:
Even gay d00ds love b00bs.PurpleThrobber said:Joe likes weed, boobies and fighting.....
How can ANY male take umbrage at that?!?
Edit: I forgot the @Dennis_DeYoung s probably don't really give two fucks about boobies - but weed and fighting is still cool, right?
True. I've been to Mardi Gras.
What happens in NOLA stays in NOLA. Except that burning sensation when one pisses.....
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This is true.RaceBannon said:I've always been a man of the people
People of all walks of life like me.
But the best thing is when you get old you no longer give a fuck what anyone thinks -
I have a barbed wire tattoo. Around my dick.creepycoug said:
I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?UW_Doog_Bot said:yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.
I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.
[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.] -
Hurts so goodSwaye said:
I have a barbed wire tattoo. Around my dick.creepycoug said:
I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?UW_Doog_Bot said:yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.
I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.
[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.] -
That was exactly how I felt reading this piece. The writer went to great lengths to emphasize and establish his own metrosexualness while grappling with his attempts to comprehend an alien meathead species like Joe Rogan.GrundleStiltzkin said:I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.
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I'd like to think there is a 3rd lane here for non-metros, who also loathe meathead, barbed wire ink, bros. I stand with @creepycoug .DerekJohnson said:
That was exactly how I felt reading this piece. The writer went to great lengths to emphasize and establish his own metrosexualness while grappling with his attempts to comprehend an alien meathead species like Joe Rogan.GrundleStiltzkin said:I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.
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Barb wire meatheads aren't meatheads is kind of the point
I've run into a lot of barb wire or full sleeve guys in construction who are very bright
And they wouldn't hurt a fly
This guy wouldn't go after Black athletes with full body tats -
https://twitter.com/HardcoreHistory?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/57000/for-my-dan-carlin-guysPurpleThrobber said:Joe likes weed, boobies and fighting.....
How can ANY male take umbrage at that?!?
Edit: I forgot the @Dennis_DeYoung s probably don't really give two fucks about boobies - but weed and fighting is still cool, right? -
But not with bazeYellowSnow said:
I'd like to think there is a 3rd lane here for non-metros, who also loathe meathead, barbed wire ink, bros. I stand with @creepycoug .DerekJohnson said:
That was exactly how I felt reading this piece. The writer went to great lengths to emphasize and establish his own metrosexualness while grappling with his attempts to comprehend an alien meathead species like Joe Rogan.GrundleStiltzkin said:I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.
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Joe likes Jack. He likes Milo Yiannopoulos. He likes Alex Jones. He wants you to know that he doesn’t agree with much of what they say, but he also wants you to know that off camera they’re the nicest guys. If we all have fatal flaws, this is Joe’s: his insistence on seeing value in people even when he shouldn’t, even when they’ve forfeited any right to it, even when the harm outweighs the good. It comes from a generous place, but it amounts to careless cruelty. He just won’t write people off, and then he compounds the sin by throwing them a lifeline at the moment when they least deserve it.
This sentiment is what I find most revealing about the author. People he disagreed with because of their beliefs, not actions, should be written off. -
True extremist Progressive. Cult mind-control.USMChawk said:Joe likes Jack. He likes Milo Yiannopoulos. He likes Alex Jones. He wants you to know that he doesn’t agree with much of what they say, but he also wants you to know that off camera they’re the nicest guys. If we all have fatal flaws, this is Joe’s: his insistence on seeing value in people even when he shouldn’t, even when they’ve forfeited any right to it, even when the harm outweighs the good. It comes from a generous place, but it amounts to careless cruelty. He just won’t write people off, and then he compounds the sin by throwing them a lifeline at the moment when they least deserve it.
This sentiment is what I find most revealing about the author. People he disagreed with because of their beliefs, not actions, should be written off.
Tom Cruise and the Church of Scientology are the only ones more radicalized in their defense of cult-think.
