So I don't want to crush BDTW. I know or have met a couple of those guys and I also don't think we're competing for the same market share. I think they will produce some really good content and hopefully lots of charts because we all love charts. I'm a little bummed a couple of them have left here entirely, mainly @CokeGreaterThanPepsi and @AIRWOLF. I know Coker left after the failed launch of BDTW at the beginning of the year and I don't know when Airwolf left.
From interacting on Twitter with quite a few of the folks who've left: Coker, Airwolf, Chest, I get the impression that some of the borderline or even overt racist remarks drove them away. Quite a few of them lean to the left and we all know Stalin is a right-wing dictator so there might be some of that.
Regarding HH overall, I like it being the Wild West. When Stalin started this place, I apparently was one of the first people he talked to about it (I'm kind of a big deal I guess) and I remember him saying something along the lines of no censorship and he's kept pretty true to that. I liked the idea so much that I helped fund it to get it started and also because I have an intense hatred of Kim, F3 and Eklund (I hate Eklund the least). Someone in the Wam noticed I didn't have a Wam donation badge. Stalin grandfathered me in because of my early donations. Going back to me liking this place so much, I said fuck it and made a Wam level donation this week and will do so moving forward (mostly out of love for our Noble Red Savage).
While I like the Wild West aspect of this place, I also realize that people associate us with UW football and that parents of recruits really do read the message boreds. Because of that, we can't have dumb motherfuckers making racist remarks and dogging on players to the point that kids or their parents don't want them going to UW. When Smalls gave the interview to the recruiting guy saying he dropped UW, I was like whatever dude but damn, some mother fuckers out there lost their shit over a 17-year old and acted like a bunch of bitches calling him names or hoping that he sucks wherever he goes and that kinda shit is over the line to me.
Anyway, this might be my longest poast (hardy har har) ever but before I go. This gif sums up my feelings about the Tug. By the way, I stopped at the real Tug in June when I was in Seattle, it's slightly better than our? Tug.
AGREE with all of this but most of the racial stuff on this bored has it's genesis with the TSIO's obsession with race.
I don't think the racial stuff drove most of them away, though it probably did with AIRWOLF.
10,000% fact. Not only was it born out of their fast strategy / slow strategy obsession, but a few of them (DDY) used it as a weapon against the program they claim to love so much. "Everything matters" so long as its in alliance with TSIO perspective. That narrative drove me chinsane.
And I'm sorry, but the "parents read this bored" stuff is dumb. They probably do, and who cares? Cut out the race relations bs, but if people start advocating for censoring honest opinions about players and TBS'ing "we" will have lost the war.
All that being said, Jake Browning still sucks.
“Claim to love”
Fuck off. If you want to argue we don’t love the program that is some bullshit. And HURTFUL.
Saw OKG as a potential problem, and months later that problem came to light in a big way. I’m glad the program has made some changes because of it too.
XOXOXO
No worries Coker. I agree that the racial stuff started with TSIO, but it got obsessive and went the wrong direction once the degenerates here saw the opening and ran with it. You guys started it in a way, but aren't responsible for where it went.
And oh how it metastasized here and on twatter, into aggressive anal cancer.
Also this. DDY and Coker brought up legitimate "optics" issues that needed to be discussed. A couple of retards of course took that "all the way" into full on racial bullshit territory. I quite clearly stated back then that all the tomofoolery hijinxs "make fun of red men and Asians and Jews and BBC" was still cool, but that I would hammer any actual racist bullshit going forward. People have behaved pretty well since then or I have missed it.
But let me be clear, if you see serious no shit racial crap at the ETS then add a @me in the thread and call it out so I can see it. Bug killing is busier than you might expect, so I don't closely read every thread. Call it out. I want wild wild west and as little moderation as possible, but outright real racism will get smashed in the ass around here. Period. Full stop.
Did it really, though? I guess that's my point. It's strange that I could come on here every day for a while and it would be a coin flip whether I'd be looking at a chart tracking UW's blue chip ratio explosion or a heated back and forth debate between a bunch of white guys (with a few pretending to be black), arguing that UW has a messaging problem and is in trouble.
These two things are not compatible.
What I want to know is whether the staff had to put out a fire that was already there or one that WE? started. Specifically, who is the player that UW did not sign because of poor OKG optics--prior to this theory being floated on the board/podcast? How many of these players did UW lose relative to players signed thanks at least in part to that branding? Did the staff "take steps to correct a problem with messaging" or was messaging fine until well-intentioned fans made it a problem that needed corrected? I'm not @sonics1993 or anything, so maybe I just missed it, but I'm not aware of OKG messaging costing the program a recruit prior to the Smalls fiasco--and therefore well after Cristodick was handed that sales pitch on a silver platter.
As for calling out serious no shit racial crap at ETS, I would start with the notion that a kid with a white parent doesn't pass some threshold of blackness required to be a desirable football player. If you want to talk about "potential messaging problem," I would suggest this to be one of the bigger ones here at HH.
So I don't want to crush BDTW. I know or have met a couple of those guys and I also don't think we're competing for the same market share. I think they will produce some really good content and hopefully lots of charts because we all love charts. I'm a little bummed a couple of them have left here entirely, mainly @CokeGreaterThanPepsi and @AIRWOLF. I know Coker left after the failed launch of BDTW at the beginning of the year and I don't know when Airwolf left.
From interacting on Twitter with quite a few of the folks who've left: Coker, Airwolf, Chest, I get the impression that some of the borderline or even overt racist remarks drove them away. Quite a few of them lean to the left and we all know Stalin is a right-wing dictator so there might be some of that.
Regarding HH overall, I like it being the Wild West. When Stalin started this place, I apparently was one of the first people he talked to about it (I'm kind of a big deal I guess) and I remember him saying something along the lines of no censorship and he's kept pretty true to that. I liked the idea so much that I helped fund it to get it started and also because I have an intense hatred of Kim, F3 and Eklund (I hate Eklund the least). Someone in the Wam noticed I didn't have a Wam donation badge. Stalin grandfathered me in because of my early donations. Going back to me liking this place so much, I said fuck it and made a Wam level donation this week and will do so moving forward (mostly out of love for our Noble Red Savage).
While I like the Wild West aspect of this place, I also realize that people associate us with UW football and that parents of recruits really do read the message boreds. Because of that, we can't have dumb motherfuckers making racist remarks and dogging on players to the point that kids or their parents don't want them going to UW. When Smalls gave the interview to the recruiting guy saying he dropped UW, I was like whatever dude but damn, some mother fuckers out there lost their shit over a 17-year old and acted like a bunch of bitches calling him names or hoping that he sucks wherever he goes and that kinda shit is over the line to me.
Anyway, this might be my longest poast (hardy har har) ever but before I go. This gif sums up my feelings about the Tug. By the way, I stopped at the real Tug in June when I was in Seattle, it's slightly better than our? Tug.
AGREE with all of this but most of the racial stuff on this bored has it's genesis with the TSIO's obsession with race.
I don't think the racial stuff drove most of them away, though it probably did with AIRWOLF.
10,000% fact. Not only was it born out of their fast strategy / slow strategy obsession, but a few of them (DDY) used it as a weapon against the program they claim to love so much. "Everything matters" so long as its in alliance with TSIO perspective. That narrative drove me chinsane.
And I'm sorry, but the "parents read this bored" stuff is dumb. They probably do, and who cares? Cut out the race relations bs, but if people start advocating for censoring honest opinions about players and TBS'ing "we" will have lost the war.
All that being said, Jake Browning still sucks.
“Claim to love”
Fuck off. If you want to argue we don’t love the program that is some bullshit. And HURTFUL.
Saw OKG as a potential problem, and months later that problem came to light in a big way. I’m glad the program has made some changes because of it too.
XOXOXO
No worries Coker. I agree that the racial stuff started with TSIO, but it got obsessive and went the wrong direction once the degenerates here saw the opening and ran with it. You guys started it in a way, but aren't responsible for where it went.
And oh how it metastasized here and on twatter, into aggressive anal cancer.
Also this. DDY and Coker brought up legitimate "optics" issues that needed to be discussed. A couple of retards of course took that "all the way" into full on racial bullshit territory. I quite clearly stated back then that all the tomofoolery hijinxs "make fun of red men and Asians and Jews and BBC" was still cool, but that I would hammer any actual racist bullshit going forward. People have behaved pretty well since then or I have missed it.
But let me be clear, if you see serious no shit racial crap at the ETS then add a @me in the thread and call it out so I can see it. Bug killing is busier than you might expect, so I don't closely read every thread. Call it out. I want wild wild west and as little moderation as possible, but outright real racism will get smashed in the ass around here. Period. Full stop.
Did it really, though? I guess that's my point. It's strange that I could come on here every day for a while and it would be a coin flip whether I'd be looking at a chart tracking UW's blue chip ratio explosion or a heated back and forth debate between a bunch of white guys (with a few pretending to be black), arguing that UW has a messaging problem and is in trouble.
These two things are not compatible.
What I want to know is whether the staff had to put out a fire that was already there or one that WE? started. Specifically, who is the player that UW did not sign because of poor OKG optics--prior to this theory being floated on the board/podcast? How many of these players did UW lose relative to players signed thanks at least in part to that branding? Did the staff "take steps to correct a problem with messaging" or was messaging fine until well-intentioned fans made it a problem that needed corrected? I'm not @sonics1993 or anything, so maybe I just missed it, but I'm not aware of OKG messaging costing the program a recruit prior to the Smalls fiasco--and therefore well after Cristodick was handed that sales pitch on a silver platter.
As for calling out serious no shit racial crap at ETS, I would start with the notion that a kid with a white parent doesn't pass some threshold of blackness required to be a desirable football player. If you want to talk about "potential messaging problem," I would suggest this to be one of the bigger ones here at HH.
Easily the most cringeworthy part of all of this.
I do agree that mixed kids shouldn't elicit actual racism bullshit. I know it has in the past. Haven't seen/noticed it in awhile. If you see it, and it is more than just jokes, then let me know. At the same tim I don;t want to spend my life policing this place. Everyone should know when shit crosses the line from saying shit like "kill whitey" and "fags" to actual racist shit. I will deal with the former, but do not want to over moderate the bored for the latter. So that's that.
I'd actually suggest we stop rehashing it at this point. I thought the optics stuff AND the fast strategy/slow strategy stuff was good discussion, and supremely interesting. It clearly got taken too far. I haven't witnessed a bunch of it lately. Let it die.
So I don't want to crush BDTW. I know or have met a couple of those guys and I also don't think we're competing for the same market share. I think they will produce some really good content and hopefully lots of charts because we all love charts. I'm a little bummed a couple of them have left here entirely, mainly @CokeGreaterThanPepsi and @AIRWOLF. I know Coker left after the failed launch of BDTW at the beginning of the year and I don't know when Airwolf left.
From interacting on Twitter with quite a few of the folks who've left: Coker, Airwolf, Chest, I get the impression that some of the borderline or even overt racist remarks drove them away. Quite a few of them lean to the left and we all know Stalin is a right-wing dictator so there might be some of that.
Regarding HH overall, I like it being the Wild West. When Stalin started this place, I apparently was one of the first people he talked to about it (I'm kind of a big deal I guess) and I remember him saying something along the lines of no censorship and he's kept pretty true to that. I liked the idea so much that I helped fund it to get it started and also because I have an intense hatred of Kim, F3 and Eklund (I hate Eklund the least). Someone in the Wam noticed I didn't have a Wam donation badge. Stalin grandfathered me in because of my early donations. Going back to me liking this place so much, I said fuck it and made a Wam level donation this week and will do so moving forward (mostly out of love for our Noble Red Savage).
While I like the Wild West aspect of this place, I also realize that people associate us with UW football and that parents of recruits really do read the message boreds. Because of that, we can't have dumb motherfuckers making racist remarks and dogging on players to the point that kids or their parents don't want them going to UW. When Smalls gave the interview to the recruiting guy saying he dropped UW, I was like whatever dude but damn, some mother fuckers out there lost their shit over a 17-year old and acted like a bunch of bitches calling him names or hoping that he sucks wherever he goes and that kinda shit is over the line to me.
Anyway, this might be my longest poast (hardy har har) ever but before I go. This gif sums up my feelings about the Tug. By the way, I stopped at the real Tug in June when I was in Seattle, it's slightly better than our? Tug.
AGREE with all of this but most of the racial stuff on this bored has it's genesis with the TSIO's obsession with race.
I don't think the racial stuff drove most of them away, though it probably did with AIRWOLF.
10,000% fact. Not only was it born out of their fast strategy / slow strategy obsession, but a few of them (DDY) used it as a weapon against the program they claim to love so much. "Everything matters" so long as its in alliance with TSIO perspective. That narrative drove me chinsane.
And I'm sorry, but the "parents read this bored" stuff is dumb. They probably do, and who cares? Cut out the race relations bs, but if people start advocating for censoring honest opinions about players and TBS'ing "we" will have lost the war.
All that being said, Jake Browning still sucks.
“Claim to love”
Fuck off. If you want to argue we don’t love the program that is some bullshit. And HURTFUL.
Saw OKG as a potential problem, and months later that problem came to light in a big way. I’m glad the program has made some changes because of it too.
XOXOXO
No worries Coker. I agree that the racial stuff started with TSIO, but it got obsessive and went the wrong direction once the degenerates here saw the opening and ran with it. You guys started it in a way, but aren't responsible for where it went.
And oh how it metastasized here and on twatter, into aggressive anal cancer.
Also this. DDY and Coker brought up legitimate "optics" issues that needed to be discussed. A couple of retards of course took that "all the way" into full on racial bullshit territory. I quite clearly stated back then that all the tomofoolery hijinxs "make fun of red men and Asians and Jews and BBC" was still cool, but that I would hammer any actual racist bullshit going forward. People have behaved pretty well since then or I have missed it.
But let me be clear, if you see serious no shit racial crap at the ETS then add a @me in the thread and call it out so I can see it. Bug killing is busier than you might expect, so I don't closely read every thread. Call it out. I want wild wild west and as little moderation as possible, but outright real racism will get smashed in the ass around here. Period. Full stop.
Did it really, though? I guess that's my point. It's strange that I could come on here every day for a while and it would be a coin flip whether I'd be looking at a chart tracking UW's blue chip ratio explosion or a heated back and forth debate between a bunch of white guys (with a few pretending to be black), arguing that UW has a messaging problem and is in trouble.
These two things are not compatible.
What I want to know is whether the staff had to put out a fire that was already there or one that WE? started. Specifically, who is the player that UW did not sign because of poor OKG optics--prior to this theory being floated on the board/podcast? How many of these players did UW lose relative to players signed thanks at least in part to that branding? Did the staff "take steps to correct a problem with messaging" or was messaging fine until well-intentioned fans made it a problem that needed corrected? I'm not @sonics1993 or anything, so maybe I just missed it, but I'm not aware of OKG messaging costing the program a recruit prior to the Smalls fiasco--and therefore well after Cristodick was handed that sales pitch on a silver platter.
As for calling out serious no shit racial crap at ETS, I would start with the notion that a kid with a white parent doesn't pass some threshold of blackness required to be a desirable football player. If you want to talk about "potential messaging problem," I would suggest this to be one of the bigger ones here at HH.
Easily the most cringeworthy part of all of this.
I do agree that mixed kids shouldn't elicit actual racism bullshit. I know it has in the past. Haven't seen/noticed it in awhile. If you see it, and it is more than just jokes, then let me know. At the same tim I don;t want to spend my life policing this place. Everyone should know when shit crosses the line from saying shit like "kill whitey" and "fags" to actual racist shit. I will deal with the former, but do not want to over moderate the bored for the latter. So that's that.
I'd actually suggest we stop rehashing it at this point. I thought the optics stuff AND the fast strategy/slow strategy stuff was good discussion, and supremely interesting. It clearly got taken too far. I haven't witnessed a bunch of it lately. Let it die.
Ageee, it self corrected, as most issues around here do.
I would say put the recruiting board behind the paywall. Win win. More money for the site and keep the random parent peak from being easily accessible.
It's already there in the wam. I think the free recruiting site is fine. Just needs to be cleaned up. I have said this many times over the years. It would be better if the free recruiting board was clean. The main husky board is fine, but clean anything about recruits off that as well.
This board should have more mutual respect but it has to be done by the posters not by a heavy hand IMO
People are generally uncomfortable talking about race and even more so in our super heated country today. They need to toughen up
I agree that the Tug's probably not the problem, but it's also not adding any value. There's really no point to having a subsection of this site that is devoted to far right politics, especially when so many of the resident idiots there don't even post in the football forums.
There are some far left idiots there too, though not as many. Also APAG.
Moderates in short supply.
Except moderates like me are painted as far left. Fuck off if you think otherwise.
So its been established that this site negatively affects recruiting.
Easy question. Is everyone on here a bigger fan of the huskies or a bigger fan of being a self proclaimed degenerate saying bad words on the internet?
If its the former then why not just trim the rough edges and carry on? If the latter then why not start a degenerate site separate from uw fandom that doesnt hinder the program?
I'm a newby to the site so I wont push my opinion but I do find the actual football discussion insightful and entertaining more then the aids...
It’s been established that this bored among other boreds hurts recruiting.
A cleaner more sanitized version would still hurt recruiting.
And I don’t believe the “hurt” is very significant. It may be a minor barrier the staff has to overcome when we’re recruiting kids that are considering schools that don’t have a strong message bored presence but at this point those schools are either a. Far less significant than a UW offer and kids aren’t taking their offers over ours anyway b. Stanford.
Who was the last kid we really pursued that picked Stanford?
It’s a non issue.
Having psychos like Ruth directly contacting kids and tweeting nonsense is a much bigger problem but our staff is even overcoming that just fine.
I wonder how much Ruth actually hurts with recruiting. I know she's bat shit crazy at times and can be an embarrassment for UW and other fans think she's nuts but I don't know how much the recruits think the same thing.
BDTW looks like a cheerleader site. Doog version of FishDuck.
I don't think this site nor theirs hurts anything as bad as fucking Ruth and Fetters making our fan base and media look fucking embarrassing on Twitter.
I like them a lot however they're hypocritical as has been mentioned here and don't tell me how to be a fan/alum.
I spent 4 years at UW smoking drinking and hanging out with liberal arts metal heads. That's not their cup of tea UW fan but it's a 50k student body and the Turnover Salmon stuff is painfully embarrassing.
On racism. I don't think anyone here is actually racist (except Bob, but he's only in the tug). But the way a lot of comments are, with inside jokes, sarcasm, etc. It appears racist to those casually reading the forums. I think that should be cleaned off the free boards.
On racism. I don't think anyone here is actually racist (except Bob, but he's only in the tug). But the way a lot of comments are, with inside jokes, sarcasm, etc. It appears racist to those casually reading the forums. I think that should be cleaned off the free boards.
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I'd actually suggest we stop rehashing it at this point. I thought the optics stuff AND the fast strategy/slow strategy stuff was good discussion, and supremely interesting. It clearly got taken too far. I haven't witnessed a bunch of it lately. Let it die.
I don't think this site nor theirs hurts anything as bad as fucking Ruth and Fetters making our fan base and media look fucking embarrassing on Twitter.
I like them a lot however they're hypocritical as has been mentioned here and don't tell me how to be a fan/alum.
I spent 4 years at UW smoking drinking and hanging out with liberal arts metal heads. That's not their cup of tea UW fan but it's a 50k student body and the Turnover Salmon stuff is painfully embarrassing.