ASJ says weight, not DUI, affected his last UW season

Anyone seeing his belly knew that. It was obvious from first sight that he was badly out of shape. It took two months to get back to where he could elevate again.

In other news, water is wet.

I suspect he was out of shape because he got the DUI and thus was suspended from the team and team workouts. Sort of a cause and effect.

I am laughing my butt off, and I have his photo as my avatar still!

RoadDawg55 said:

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, or essentially a full season of big games. On a per game basis it breaks down to 3.5 receptions for 41 yards and 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 receptions for 53.9 yards and 0.3 TDs for KW. So Kasen was good for an extra 0.8 of a reception and 12.9 yards, and no more TDs. That doesn't constitute "way better" to me. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

I agree about ASJ fitting on almost every team. At the very least he is a #2 or #3 TE on any team. There aren't many guys with his size, hands, and coordination. Another thing to keep in mind with Kasen is how he comes back from the injury, which was pretty severe.

Agreed. It was pretty scary. Hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

Who was it that wanted to blame the injury on Price, was that Softy or Fetters (or abundance)? If he doesn't have a big year prepare for whoever that was to keep bringing up Price as the scapegoat for KW's disappointing year. Hopefully that won't be an issue.

It sorta was Price's fault. He under-threw the ball to Kasen allowing the defender to catch Kasen and cause the injury. Had the ball been placed properly Kasen runs under it and the defender never falls on his legs.

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ASJ is so overrated. He can't separate for shit which is why he won't be very good in the NFL. He never did shit whenever we faced a good team that was physical with him. Maybe losing 20 will make all the difference, but I doubt it.

Kasen has been a way better big game player than ASJ despite most doogs thinking ASJ was superior. Kasen was the only offensive player to show up in 2011 against Oregon, he played great against Stanford in 2012 and 2013, he made a huge catch on the final drive against Oregon State in 2012. ASJ's best games were against Cal and Colorado. I'm hijacking the thread, but I'm looking forward to Kasen finally getting used properly by Peterman. Hopefully he comes back healthy and he isn't hampered by the injury.

I disagree with "way better". Kasen was slightly better. They both kind of sucked. You just hate ASJ more.

Big games (teams ranked at the time - if anyone cares to do the research to add teams who finish ranked feel free, I'm not that invested)
2011
@ Nebraska: (both sucked) ASJ had 1 for 15, Kasen 2 for 24; push
Stanford: ASJ 5 for 77, KW 2 for 18; edge ASJ
@ Oregon: ASJ 1 for -6, KW 6 for 79 TD; edge KW
Baylor: ASJ 4 for 62, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Totals: ASJ 11 for 148, KW 13 for 140 TD. Slight edge to KW, though ASJ outplayed him more often than Kasen outplayed ASJ.
ASJ 2 better games, KW 1 better game, 1 push

2012
@LSU: ASJ 6 for 51, KW 3 for 19; edge ASJ
Stanford: ASJ 2 for 10, KW 10 for 129 TD; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 33, KW 6 for 48; edge KW
USC: ASJ 5 for 83 TD, KW 2 for 22 TD; edge ASJ
Oregon State: 3 for 31 , KW 5 for 61; edge KW
Boise: ASJ 6 for 61 TD, KW 6 for 95; push
Totals: ASJ 24 for 269 2 TDs, KW 32 for 374, 2 TDs - Definite edge to KW
ASJ 2 better games, KW 3 better games, 1 push

2013
Boise: ASJ DNP, KW 3 for 68 TD; n/a
Stanford: ASJ 4 for 58; KW 5 for 89; edge KW
Oregon: ASJ 2 for 36 TD; KW 3 for 30; edge ASJ
UCLA: ASJ 4 for 22 TD; KW DNP; n/a
Totals ASJ 10 for 116 2 TDs, KW 11 for 187 TD - slight edge to KW (depending on how much weight you place on TD's)
ASJ 1 better game, KW 1 better game, 1 DNP each

Overall *big game* totals:
ASJ 45 for 533 4 TDs, 5 better games
KW 56 for 701 4 TDs, 5 better games

Kasen was a better home run threat to have a *big* game in a big game, but they were a complete coin flip as to which of them would have the better game going in. Honestly, after looking at it both were a disappointment. That's a 13 game sample for each of them, which breaks down to 3.5 for 41 for 0.3 TDs per big game for ASJ and 4.3 for 53.9 for 0.3 TDs for KW. Even if you throw out the Nebraska game because they were still so young it doesn't get much better. In an offense as pass happy as UW, you need better big game production out of your playmakers.

And of course, that's before even getting into the idea that we're comparing the stats of a tight end straight up with the stats of a wide receiver. I'd imagine #1 WRs are going to significantly outstat #1 TEs in almost every instance by quite a ways.

The real question is how much of this failure is on ASJ/KW, how much is on the OL, how much is on Price, and how much is on Sarkzetto. I suppose the answer is abundance.

Fair enough, and you are right, I do hate ASJ more. He's been a frontrunner his entire life. His high school team got better without him. I know one player can't make a team great, but the Narrows League is pretty shitty and a guy with ASJ's talent should be unstoppable and make them a good team. I didn't know it until this year, but everyone at Gig Harbor bad mouthed him and said he was lazy. Kasen lack of top speed probably made him overrated coming out of high school, but I think he will be a solid NFL WR if he is healthy.

I would omit some of your games like 2011 Stanford, 2012 LSU, and 2012 Oregon because what they did was basically irrelevant in those games. I see why you included them as big games, but they were all plungers. They could have been Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez and we still would have lost all of those games.

Your last paragraph is spot on. I feel like these guys should have had better careers. At least Kasen has a year left.

Agreed. Here's hoping he's healthy and has a legitimate #2 on the other side in Stringfellow. I don't see Kasen as an NFL wide receiver, to me he is just too easy to cover. But I'd love to see some real coaching make me look stupid on this.

I know you doubt ASJ, and I'm sure your info on him is right. I still believe in his talent though, and think he'll have a solid NFL career as an average starter at TE (think Martellus Bennett type decent but not special). IMO, that's much, much better than what Kasen will do at the next level.

I agree ASJ could have a decent career especially if he gets his act together. I think Kasen might be one of those guys that is better in the NFL than in college. I'm surprised you don't think he is an NFL WR. IMO, he's better than Kearse, and Kearse is looking like he will have a nice career. I think Kasen will be a good third or fourth option in the NFL. He might even be able to be a #2. He can make tough grabs in traffic (very key in the NFL) and he is great on jump balls. He's lack of top speed will prevent him from being elite, but I think with some coaching and better route running he can be a force. He made some great catches last year, but the offense was designed to spread the wealth.

Kearse had one incredible skill at UW - he was ALWAYS open (except against Nebraska). IMO, the ability to get open is the most important skill for a WR assuming he has basic ball skills. I am not expert enough to say if Kearse has deceptive speed or is just a great route runner or just reads coverages really well or what, but I've never seen a receiver at UW who was open as consistently as Kearse. I am not that surprised he's doing well in the NFL.

Kasen, OTOH, does everything else better than Kearse - he's more physical, better after the catch, and has better hands. He's just never open. Maybe that will improve with a more diverse and less predictable route tree, but I have a hard time believing a guy who can't separate in college is going to get open in the league. I didn't mean to say he's not an NFL player - I think he'll be drafted and make a team - but I don't see him as a league average starter, which is what I think ASJ will be. I see KW as more like a good 4th/okay 3rd receiver type. If he goes to the right offense that uses him perfectly, he could maybe be better than that. I could see him doing pretty well in a place like Detroit where his speed plays up on the turf, the defense is overly concerned about #81 and they like to throw, throw, throw. But I think the number of teams that Kasen fits on is a lot lower than the number ASJ fits on.

I agree about ASJ fitting on almost every team. At the very least he is a #2 or #3 TE on any team. There aren't many guys with his size, hands, and coordination. Another thing to keep in mind with Kasen is how he comes back from the injury, which was pretty severe.

Agreed. It was pretty scary. Hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

Who was it that wanted to blame the injury on Price, was that Softy or Fetters (or abundance)? If he doesn't have a big year prepare for whoever that was to keep bringing up Price as the scapegoat for KW's disappointing year. Hopefully that won't be an issue.

DeepPurple said:

I suspect he was out of shape because he got the DUI and thus was suspended from the team and team workouts. Sort of a cause and effect.

Don't forget Sark not letting him start on the bball team

I don't know... That whole gaining weight to block more and adapt to the new offense also sounds like an excuse he came up with recently to explain last season. Nobody ever mentioned that before or during the season. Nobody even acknowledged there was something different at the time (except us fans).
So either that or Paopao, who still is our TE coach, sucks.