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Redshirting Budda Baker(deserves own thread)
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Those who think the Huskies should redshirt Budda Baker are fucking morons! I'm sorry but it's true. I understand wanting to redshirt McGary or any other lineman.
But Baker? He's going to be your best option at the starting safety spot considering UW is graduating both starting safeties from last year and have no depth behind them. He is also going to be on our kick return team as UW hasn't had a kick returner worth a shit in quite some time. He'll also be used on special packages on offense for fly sweeps to get more speed on the field.
What is the point in redshirting him? If he's worth a shit he's gone after year four anyways and if he is seeing a fifth year most likely his career was a bust.
Don't over think this guys. Baker will start game one as he should. Best player needs to play and I have no problem with true freshman playing who are ready like Kasen was, ASJ was, Parker was(He was our nickel corner until he got hurt), Shaq was, etc.
The guys I had a problem with burning their redshirts were Kevin Smith, Greg Ducre, Kohler/Porter(or any lineman), and even Sankey at the time.
There is no reason why this team can't be expected to win and achieve 10+ wins this year. So those who want Baker redshirted please stop this crazy talk.
Getting to be a bunch of revenge of the nerds around here. Time to close the fucking gates Derek.
But Baker? He's going to be your best option at the starting safety spot considering UW is graduating both starting safeties from last year and have no depth behind them. He is also going to be on our kick return team as UW hasn't had a kick returner worth a shit in quite some time. He'll also be used on special packages on offense for fly sweeps to get more speed on the field.
What is the point in redshirting him? If he's worth a shit he's gone after year four anyways and if he is seeing a fifth year most likely his career was a bust.
Don't over think this guys. Baker will start game one as he should. Best player needs to play and I have no problem with true freshman playing who are ready like Kasen was, ASJ was, Parker was(He was our nickel corner until he got hurt), Shaq was, etc.
The guys I had a problem with burning their redshirts were Kevin Smith, Greg Ducre, Kohler/Porter(or any lineman), and even Sankey at the time.
There is no reason why this team can't be expected to win and achieve 10+ wins this year. So those who want Baker redshirted please stop this crazy talk.
Getting to be a bunch of revenge of the nerds around here. Time to close the fucking gates Derek.
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fucking hell... getting all bent out of shape because of a debate about a true fucking freshman? jesus christ... close the gates is right derek.
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I like to waste a year on the scout team of a blue chip recruit, knowing they will only be at the University for 4 years anyway... That's what I like to do. If ASJ took a redshirt his first year.... Guess what, he's still going to the NFL after 3-4 years in the program, so what's the fucking point? That way you can get two functional years instead of 3? I'll take your 3 plays on the field over scout team MVP anydayMeek said:fucking hell... getting all bent out of shape because of a debate about a true fucking freshman? jesus christ... close the gates is right derek.
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Who the fuck wants to redshirt him? Need to field the best team we can, and do the best we can this season, if only for the sake of building momentum in the program. Who the fuck wants the, "Well just wait until our reshirt guys are ready to play next year" bs. Even with miles, I expect Williams to do good things given that he has better coaches now.
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The best players should play.
If Buddha (I like to call him that) is one of the best safeties on the team, let him play. -
If he's that good, who the hell would they be redshirting him for? The NFL? Screw that. If the kid is ready and can play, play him. Everyone wins. The problem with Ty and Sark was those two douche bags burned redshirts in hopes of saving their own asses. They played too many kids before they were ready. But Baker looks ready to go, and I trust Peterson to make the right call on this. He's a better man and more coach than Ty or Sark could ever hope to be. LIFPO, and if Baker starts as a true frosh, it will be because he's ready to go.
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Budda's so good,..... let him play now! Don't wait for September! Throw his collegiate cherry away even or especially before prom night. Shaq played without a redshirt and Budda will also.
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FO, TG
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Mora should have redshirted Myles Jack last year. He's imploding that program before our very eyes.
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I'm hearing he's rubbing people the wrong way.DerekJohnson said:Mora should have redshirted Myles Jack last year. He's imploding that program before our very eyes.
Mora is like that hot girl at the bar flirting with everyone with her BF right there. We all know that doesn't end well..... -
If Budda is ready he will play (most likely scenario by far). If he isn't ready he will redshirt. Either way it will be interesting.
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Any player who can make a positive impact on the team should play regardless of year. Unfortunately, guys like Joe Mathis, Marcus Farria, Trevor Walker, Shane Brostek, KevinSmith, Greg Ducre and several others did not have a positive impact as true freshmen but were played anyways because Sark likes to play with his new toys. Instead all we got was a year of wasted eligibility for each of those guys. So yeah, if Buddha is a Sean Parker play him. If he is a James Sample redshirt him. I'm pretty sure he is the former.
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Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one. -
Buddha Baker will play in the NBA?dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one. -
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts. -
The program destroyer redshirted Brett Hundley for Mora, too, despite not having a QB.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts.
One could argue that Rick was too conservative with his true frosh, but he's the exact kind of coach you want to follow, not the kind you hate to follow despite the popular doog narrative.
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Why is this so hard for some to understand?whatshouldicareabout said:The best players should play.
If Buddha (I like to call him that) is one of the best safeties on the team, let him play.
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sarktastic said:
Why is this so hard for some to understand?whatshouldicareabout said:The best players should play.
If Buddha (I like to call him that) is one of the best safeties on the team, let him play.
Same conversation, lather rinse repeat, Shaq..... You have to ask meek
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What about Reggie Williams though. Imagine how scary he would have been flexing at the other teams if he could have spent a RS year working out.dnc said:
The program destroyer redshirted Brett Hundley for Mora, too, despite not having a QB.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts.
One could argue that Rick was too conservative with his true frosh, but he's the exact kind of coach you want to follow, not the kind you hate to follow despite the popular doog narrative.
Thanks a lot Rick.
Seriously that's a pretty impressive thing about RN that I never really paid attention to. He was unusual in his willingness to sacrifice short term for long term gain when it came to players. We've been dealing with the opposite (burning RS for garbage time minutes, blocking on KO returns, etc) for so long that it's hard to imagine using that approach now.
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Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
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Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position.
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One of the issues though is that people will often point to the lackluster results from a True Frosh as reason to why they should have Redshirted. I tend to think that there's still value in letting these kids play. Most scholarship players ended HS being the best or amongst the best players on their team. When they move up to major conference football and play they now realize that everyone on the field had superlative talent in HS. They must improve. Farria and Mathis playing gave them live game experience that they're just not going to replicate on a practice squad. They have a much better idea about what type of strength and technique and effort it's going to take to achieve at this level and that's intangible data that you cannot replicate anywhere but on a football field against an opponent.
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This just isn't true.DawgDaze71 said:One of the issues though is that people will often point to the lackluster results from a True Frosh as reason to why they should have Redshirted. I tend to think that there's still value in letting these kids play. Most scholarship players ended HS being the best or amongst the best players on their team. When they move up to major conference football and play they now realize that everyone on the field had superlative talent in HS. They must improve. Farria and Mathis playing gave them live game experience that they're just not going to replicate on a practice squad. They have a much better idea about what type of strength and technique and effort it's going to take to achieve at this level and that's intangible data that you cannot replicate anywhere but on a football field against an opponent.
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So many untrue Doog narratives about Neuheisel much like how he never recruited OL yet he tend to bring in 5+ a year and always had at least one four star OL.dnc said:
The program destroyer redshirted Brett Hundley for Mora, too, despite not having a QB.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts.
One could argue that Rick was too conservative with his true frosh, but he's the exact kind of coach you want to follow, not the kind you hate to follow despite the popular doog narrative.
No way the program goes to 1-10, and 2-9 if he was still head coach. I'm not saying he was the greatest coach but there was talent there just we had awful coaches at the time.
Love how Lambo is known for setting up Rick nicely when he burned Tui's redshirt to be our backup QB. Year five and the backup QB was a true frosh all due to running Fortney from the program. Would have been nice to have had a fifth year Tui in 2001 when that team started off 7-1(only loss was when Picket was actually hurt).
Rick left the program in better shape than the one he inherited that is for sure. Doogs forget 2003 was supposed to be a special season. We even had one fucktard predict a national title that year. Hi Dave Samek! -
Josh Shirley was redshirted though. Not that it mattered since Sark never played him last year for whatever reason.chuck said:
Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position. -
Qualls RS as well.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Josh Shirley was redshirted though. Not that it mattered since Sark never played him last year for whatever reason.chuck said:
Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position.
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Did he? I thought Sark burned his RS too against Boise. I remember there was two DL he burned their RS seasons for no fucking reason at all.DawgDaze71 said:
Qualls RS as well.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Josh Shirley was redshirted though. Not that it mattered since Sark never played him last year for whatever reason.chuck said:
Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position. -
Sounds like I didn't want to let facts get in the way of my argument (Qualls, Shirley).
You motherfuckers get the point though. There are plenty of good examples. -
Yup. Qualls maintained his RS. From Gohuskies.com
"2013: Did not see any game action as a true freshman, preserving a year of eligibility." under Qualls Bio.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Did he? I thought Sark burned his RS too against Boise. I remember there was two DL he burned their RS seasons for no fucking reason at all.DawgDaze71 said:
Qualls RS as well.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Josh Shirley was redshirted though. Not that it mattered since Sark never played him last year for whatever reason.chuck said:
Redshirting star caliber players, those likely to be first day draft picks after three years, is a waste of a year. It isn't an easy task, but the coaches are being paid millions to show great judgement about who these few players are and make decisions about redshirting accordingly.DawgDaze71 said:Redshirting has lost its luster. NFL Rookie Salary cap makes Junior more likely to leave the program.
Playing a guy like Shaq Thompson as a freshman was a no brainer. Danny Shelton was probably a defensible decision. Guys like Josh Shirley, Elijah Qualls, Marcus Farria, etc (this list could go on for a mile just using the past 5 years) as freshmen were questionable decisions at best. There's no way to view Sark as anything but a failure in this aspect of his job at UW.
Baker is going to play and probably has to based not just on talent but also on the lack of good players on the roster at his position. -
pretty much agree with all of thatHe_Needs_More_Time said:
So many untrue Doog narratives about Neuheisel much like how he never recruited OL yet he tend to bring in 5+ a year and always had at least one four star OL.dnc said:
The program destroyer redshirted Brett Hundley for Mora, too, despite not having a QB.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts.
One could argue that Rick was too conservative with his true frosh, but he's the exact kind of coach you want to follow, not the kind you hate to follow despite the popular doog narrative.
No way the program goes to 1-10, and 2-9 if he was still head coach. I'm not saying he was the greatest coach but there was talent there just we had awful coaches at the time.
Love how Lambo is known for setting up Rick nicely when he burned Tui's redshirt to be our backup QB. Year five and the backup QB was a true frosh all due to running Fortney from the program. Would have been nice to have had a fifth year Tui in 2001 when that team started off 7-1(only loss was when Picket was actually hurt).
Rick left the program in better shape than the one he inherited that is for sure. Doogs forget 2003 was supposed to be a special season. We even had one fucktard predict a national title that year. Hi Dave Samek!
I didn't have a problem with firing him, more the aftermath. Some say Gilbertson should have been given interim status. I think most of those people are using 20/20 hindsight and were OK with what happened at the time. That said, he was a Kal reject and we could have done better. Ty was obviously the biggest disaster. Rick would have had a four or five win season, but there's no way the disaster that was 2004-2008 would have happened under his watch, or a competent coach's watch.
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Gilby was the biggest disaster. Its not even close.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
pretty much agree with all of thatHe_Needs_More_Time said:
So many untrue Doog narratives about Neuheisel much like how he never recruited OL yet he tend to bring in 5+ a year and always had at least one four star OL.dnc said:
The program destroyer redshirted Brett Hundley for Mora, too, despite not having a QB.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I used to always bring that up when Tybots would point out how Rick destroyed the program and I'd point out that in 2006 and 2007 Ty had 20+ 5th year SR's.dnc said:Budda's the Nate Robinson or Kenny James of this class.
I miss Rick redshirting entire classes except one.
Of course that was dismissed as all Tybots hated facts.
One could argue that Rick was too conservative with his true frosh, but he's the exact kind of coach you want to follow, not the kind you hate to follow despite the popular doog narrative.
No way the program goes to 1-10, and 2-9 if he was still head coach. I'm not saying he was the greatest coach but there was talent there just we had awful coaches at the time.
Love how Lambo is known for setting up Rick nicely when he burned Tui's redshirt to be our backup QB. Year five and the backup QB was a true frosh all due to running Fortney from the program. Would have been nice to have had a fifth year Tui in 2001 when that team started off 7-1(only loss was when Picket was actually hurt).
Rick left the program in better shape than the one he inherited that is for sure. Doogs forget 2003 was supposed to be a special season. We even had one fucktard predict a national title that year. Hi Dave Samek!
I didn't have a problem with firing him, more the aftermath. Some say Gilbertson should have been given interim status. I think most of those people are using 20/20 hindsight and were OK with what happened at the time. That said, he was a Kal reject and we could have done better. Ty was obviously the biggest disaster. Rick would have had a four or five win season, but there's no way the disaster that was 2004-2008 would have happened under his watch, or a competent coach's watch.
He took a potential 9-10 win team and went 6-6 with it. They blew games to Arizona & Nevada. Should have at least won 8 games.
Then the next season he went 1-10 with a 4 win team.
Willingham took over a 1-10 team and went 2-9, 5-7 and 4-9. The metrics showed that the 06-07 sqauds were 500 teams. If not for suddenly senior, the 2006 team makes a bowl with a backup qb playing more than half the season. The 2007 team had 4 wins and blew three games (WSU, Hawaii, Arizona) which it had a 10 point lead in.
Ty was fired and then restored for 2008. How hard would someone work if they were fired and then un-fired?
2008 can be 1000% blamed on Mark Emmert who should be lynched in Red Square.
Ty sucked but Gilby was a total fucking disaster.
