Makell Esteen, 2020 3* DB, Lawndale (HS), CA (COMMITTED)

They don’t have room

DoogCourics said:

Greg Biggins 2 hours ago

"Makell was a pretty heavy Oregon lean early in the spring and they're still talking with him right now but I don't think he's as high a priority as he once was. UW is pushing pretty hard and I think they're probably the team to beat right now."

lol is Oregon buying their own bullshit in thinking they have a shot with Ringo or is this an acute case of WDWHA?

Oregon stopped recruiting him when they thought they had Steele. Then they tried to get back with him and he wasnt having it

bananasnblondes said:

Oregon stopped recruiting him when they thought they had Steele. Then they tried to get back with him and he wasnt having it

Steele's a corner. Esteen is a safety in college. Plus they are in different classes and Oregon has soft DB commits that'll sign elsewhere. They weren't related.

So regardless--I'm sorry, irregardless--of whether it's true or not, what is the backstory to the "Biggins and Huffman hate UW" angle? There has to be more than just a couple really big reaches on Twitter. Did something actually happen in the past?

fosterworth said:

DoogCourics said:

Greg Biggins 2 hours ago

"Makell was a pretty heavy Oregon lean early in the spring and they're still talking with him right now but I don't think he's as high a priority as he once was. UW is pushing pretty hard and I think they're probably the team to beat right now."

lol is Oregon buying their own bullshit in thinking they have a shot with Ringo or is this an acute case of WDWHA?

I think moor pointedly, his spot with us? was filled by Greenfield, who in turn went through a "I really like North Carolina" phase when Steele was committed to Oregon, talked about pushing back his commitment date, then committed to Oregon somewhat out of the blue on the original date when Steele went to SC.

FWIW, if I were to set a Crystal Dong DB class for us? right now, it would be Slusher/Williams, Greenfield, Hill, John Humphrey, with one of Slusher or Williams flipping to Georgia.

Smith’s not going to Oregon hth!

Esteen can play wherever the hell he wants.

animate said:

lawsandl said:

Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...

He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.

Dawg_Stan1 said:

lawsandl said:

animate said:

lawsandl said:

Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...

He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.

You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.

Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.

KrunkJuice said:

lawsandl said:

Dawg_Stan1 said:

lawsandl said:

animate said:

lawsandl said:

Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...

He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.

You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.

Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.

Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.

How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.

KrunkJuice said:

lawsandl said:

KrunkJuice said:

lawsandl said:

Dawg_Stan1 said:

lawsandl said:

animate said:

lawsandl said:

Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...

He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.

You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.

Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.

Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.

How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.

Speculation. My point was if a guy like Wright and Holland can't win the job and the guys I listed do not go pro, there will be come attrition. I thought you may have a scoop.

That’s kind of the Saban model of roster management. There is no scoop to be had. Btw, there is a low probability that Wright doesn’t win out at some point even if both stay. Wright has the most upside and it was evident in spring. He has better top end speed, he physically more impressive and he showed instincts.

AtomicDawg said:

lawsandl said:

KrunkJuice said:

lawsandl said:

Dawg_Stan1 said:

lawsandl said:

animate said:

lawsandl said:

Hopkins has said Humphrey and Smith are ahead of Esteen for months now. That was reiterated in an interview by Humphrey today. He is the top want and then Smith.

Hopkins, the man, the myth ... the headband ...

He does have access to Heyward. So, there is that. His takes on secondary recruiting are spot on. Greenfield, Slusher and Williams are all safeties. Even if Oregon loses one of Slusher/Williams, that’s two safeties. Smith and Humphrey both can play cb. Esteen is more of a nickel/Safety prospect.

Likewise, apparently Jamal Hill and McKinley have the nickel spot on lockdown. There is just not a ton of need to fight UW for Esteen.

You realize that if he is getting info from Heyward then it is propaganda from Heyward to help in recruiting kids?

Heyward could be really want Esteen more than those other guys, but he sees writing on wall and feeds Hopkins some lines about liking these others kids more because Heyward knows they have a shot with them and not Esteen.

Look, Hopkins readily admits that you have to consider that it’s just information. I have been around the block...a few times. However, contextually the narrative fits. McKinley and Hill are freshman nickel backs. Pickett, Holland, Stephens, Breeze, and Bridges are all safeties that aren’t seniors. There are two juniors and the rest are freshman save Holland, a true sophomore. There are three safeties in this class. Even if one of Slusher or Williams decommits that’s two. The staff is targeting more CBs and they’re concerned Esteen while versatile is a better fit at nickel/safety.

Oregon backing off Esteen is more need than perceived talent. It’s not WDWHA. Resources need to be allocated elsewhere.

Random question for you, Graham, Lenior and Pickett are not draftable imo this year and are JR's. So if no one beats them out who is gonna transfer out because all the guys Donte Williams has recruited the last 2 classes are not going to want to sit for 2+ years. Guys like Holland, Stephens, Wright, McKinley, etc.

How would I know that? That is a fluid situation. Everyone will have a clearer picture after camp.

The only spots locked in are Graham, Lenior and Holland. PIckett will battle Hailassie and McKinley will battle Woods and Hill.

It also wouldn’t surprise me to see Wright take a starting role at some point next year. He’s different. Likewise, Graham will graduate and as much as Huskies downplay his talent, he is getting national recognition.

Breeze could not play his 5th year or graduate transfer unless he greatly improves, Stephens needs to figure out the playbook,

They moved Hailassie, so there is room for a couple cbs in this class.

Graham is getting hype. But that's typical for a highly touted recruit that plays early. Every time I have watched him I have not been impressed. I honestly thought your corners would be really good as Hayward did a pretty good job at uw.i liked holland as a freshman though. Maybe they put it together this year but I have been underwhelmed.

Bottom line Graham and Lenior weren’t stater material as true frosh but they had to play. Corners typically take their knocks early in their career. UW has the luxury of redshirting good talent. That will be the case at Oregon soon.

They also made good strides the end of the year.