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Yup, they drop the ball a lot because it's difficult to catch that fastball shit over and over again. Herbert needs to learn how to throw the ball at different speeds and trajectories to make it easier to catch for his guys.lawsandl said:
Herbert only throws fast balls. Everyone wants to blame the WRs but at some point Herbert get some thrown his way.backthepack said:
Skinny has the better arm and ball trajectories.creepycoug said:
I don't really care, and your post was overall pretty reasonable with one or two exceptions, but the bold was rather rich coming from you.StrongArmCobra said:
Ahmed will be the best back in the conference. He's elite.lawsandl said:
Lol, Oregon played a 3-4 cover 3 for most of that game and played UWs' run game in check with a 7 man box except on short yardage. Oregon played a deep safety and bailed two dbs on almost every play. I have looked at that game three ways to Sunday. Your prognosis is not steeped in anything analytical.StrongArmCobra said:
UW out gained Oregon on the road and had a pretty good day rushing the ball even without Myles Gaskin in the second half. Oregon's D-line did not outperform UW's O-line. Oregon's D-line recruiting is getting worse, not better. UW will have no problem running the ball on Oregon for years to come. No more stacking the box because you know noodle arm can't beat you deep. Our next QB's can all bomb it down the field and we have and are getting the WR talent to go deep. Oregon can either get ran on or get the ball thrown over their heads, take your pick.lawsandl said:
There's really not any statistical evidence to support that claim.StrongArmCobra said:
UW didn't have a problem moving the ball on Oregon last season. They should have ran the ball more because it was working, even with McGrew and Pleasant in the game in the second half.lawsandl said:
Right, because you mowed down Oregon’s DL for whooping 24 points in regulation.StrongArmCobra said:
UW mowed over his WSU D-lines every year. Will be no different at Oregon. He's just not recruiting well enough. I'd be calling for him to be fired if I was you but I guess you have lower standards.lawsandl said:Lol, what does he have to do to get your “developer” tag? He took kids like Barber (off the field issues not talent prevented him from signing), Cooper, Vaeao and the played a major role with Ekuale and Hercules in making the all conference type players. A lot of why WSU was in a good spot after he left was because he identified talent and developed there.
First of all, UW ran the ball 66% of the time. You are in diminishing returns territory if you go beyond that. Secondly, outside of Gaskin, you couldn't sustain successful drives with a 4.1 ypc and the variance there was in outcomes. You had rate at a 33% unsuccessful rate in the run game that put you behind the chains with over 10% rate in negative plays.
Bottom line the running game was pretty mediocre and more of it wasn't the answer, especially with Gaskin hurt.
1 - all the running backs on your roster are no where near as consistent as Gaskins. If you look at the standard deviation of their outcomes, it's almost twice for Ahmed. Unfortunately, Ahmed is not the type of back to regularly get 5 yards. After two years of regular playing time, expecting something different is hopeful. Pleasant was no different except the smaller sample size.
2 - Oregon's dline is trending up not down. There is nothing remotely close about this take. Last year's dline was the 85 composite club. Carlberg, Faoliu, Scott, Baker and Cumberlander were all 84 or 85 composite players. Jelks was the highest rated as a sub 87 composite. You're basing this on your feelings and nothing is grounded in facts. Like literally every player that Big Joe has recruited is rated as good as or better than this current senior group. Afease and Shipley are par for the course for Oregon on the DL. Last class was a nice uptick.
3- Eason has shown nothing that demonstrates he has it between the ears. He has all the arm talent in the world. He just doesn't have the fortitude you want in a superstar. Most kids that go in the first round have a 1) superb talent and 2) a worth ethic second to none. That 2) is why Fromm is the starter at Georgia. Also, Hamden is telling kids on the trail that Haener is a legit contender to be the starter. There is no way Haener should be getting the amount of #1 snaps he did in spring if there weren't some truth to this. If Eason is the clear cut starter, the staff is a) trying to light a fire under Eason's ass or b) following a process to a fault. Those aren't good options. When reading the tea leaves, I assume competency. What I am saying isn't all tea leaves either (let's just say it's more than scuttlebutt).
4 - Unless the pass rush doesn't improve for UW, Eason is either going to be Mr. Dump Off or a wounded by a duck. Brown had 4.7 speed and was slippery. Eason is more like Mettenberger.
There are like no 1st or 2nd team conference players in your front seven going into the season. There are a lot of reason to think this game will come down to wire again.
Your D-line recruiting is shit and has been shit for a long time. If Jordon Scott and Austin Fauloaloalo are the best D-lineman on your roster, that means your D-line recruiting has been absolute shit. Stacking more 3-stars on top of that is not an improvement. It's shit recruiting dude. You're a quook if you disagree.
How do you go from saying "Eason has shown nothing" to "He doesn't have what it takes to be a superstar". That's a contradiction. How the fuck would you know what his potential is? He hasn't played for us yet. Hamdan isn't telling anybody shit about Haener. What the fuck are you talking about? You're just making shit up at this point. Haener was an interception machine all of Spring ball. He has no shot. Petersen is just waiting for Eason to really assert himself as the guy in Fall camp. Just because he's talented doesn't mean the offense has fully clicked for him yet. It takes time. He's had two Spring balls running UW"s offense. The rest of the time was on scout team running other team's plays. That's not a lot of reps running UW's offense.
Let's not forget Sam Darnold didn't blow away USC's coaches in Spring ball or Fall camp before becoming the starter a couple of games into the season. Some guys just need to be named the starter before they can really take off and perform at a high level. Nobody is surprised Eason hasn't blown everybody away. He has one season of playing experience and is still learning UW's offense.
The bottom line is, Jacob Eason is very talented and started as a true Freshman for Georgia and was better as a true Freshman at Georgia than Herbert was as a true Freshman at Oregon. Did he have great stats? No, but he made some throws as a true Freshman that Herbert has yet to make as a three-year starter. If he's good enough for Georgia, he's good enough for UW. Nobody knows what he will become at UW. But your constant doubting of him is clearly biased and retarded. You haven't seen him play a down for UW. You don't know anything. You just HOPE he doesn't pan out.
Leave it to a quook to be all about pre-season all-conference picks. Quooks are all about hype. We're all about substance and post-season all-conference picks here. How would anybody be able to accurately pick how many all-conference players UW is going to have when they don't even know who most of UW's starters will be? Pre-season all-conference picks are based on returning experience and that's it. They don't reflect how talented a team is. UW will have the most talented team in the North and likely the conference.
And while I'm not a big Herbert guy myself and find him to be pretty inconsistent, he has made some big league throws in his time at Oregon, and is overall at least as physically talented as skinny, if not more so because he's a better runner. He also hasn't been working with lights out WR talent, and last season he pretty much had one guy to throw to.
Herbert the better athlete.
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backthepack said:
Skinny has the better arm and ball trajectories.creepycoug said:
I don't really care, and your post was overall pretty reasonable with one or two exceptions, but the bold was rather rich coming from you.StrongArmCobra said:
Ahmed will be the best back in the conference. He's elite.lawsandl said:
Lol, Oregon played a 3-4 cover 3 for most of that game and played UWs' run game in check with a 7 man box except on short yardage. Oregon played a deep safety and bailed two dbs on almost every play. I have looked at that game three ways to Sunday. Your prognosis is not steeped in anything analytical.StrongArmCobra said:
UW out gained Oregon on the road and had a pretty good day rushing the ball even without Myles Gaskin in the second half. Oregon's D-line did not outperform UW's O-line. Oregon's D-line recruiting is getting worse, not better. UW will have no problem running the ball on Oregon for years to come. No more stacking the box because you know noodle arm can't beat you deep. Our next QB's can all bomb it down the field and we have and are getting the WR talent to go deep. Oregon can either get ran on or get the ball thrown over their heads, take your pick.lawsandl said:
There's really not any statistical evidence to support that claim.StrongArmCobra said:
UW didn't have a problem moving the ball on Oregon last season. They should have ran the ball more because it was working, even with McGrew and Pleasant in the game in the second half.lawsandl said:
Right, because you mowed down Oregon’s DL for whooping 24 points in regulation.StrongArmCobra said:
UW mowed over his WSU D-lines every year. Will be no different at Oregon. He's just not recruiting well enough. I'd be calling for him to be fired if I was you but I guess you have lower standards.lawsandl said:Lol, what does he have to do to get your “developer” tag? He took kids like Barber (off the field issues not talent prevented him from signing), Cooper, Vaeao and the played a major role with Ekuale and Hercules in making the all conference type players. A lot of why WSU was in a good spot after he left was because he identified talent and developed there.
First of all, UW ran the ball 66% of the time. You are in diminishing returns territory if you go beyond that. Secondly, outside of Gaskin, you couldn't sustain successful drives with a 4.1 ypc and the variance there was in outcomes. You had rate at a 33% unsuccessful rate in the run game that put you behind the chains with over 10% rate in negative plays.
Bottom line the running game was pretty mediocre and more of it wasn't the answer, especially with Gaskin hurt.
1 - all the running backs on your roster are no where near as consistent as Gaskins. If you look at the standard deviation of their outcomes, it's almost twice for Ahmed. Unfortunately, Ahmed is not the type of back to regularly get 5 yards. After two years of regular playing time, expecting something different is hopeful. Pleasant was no different except the smaller sample size.
2 - Oregon's dline is trending up not down. There is nothing remotely close about this take. Last year's dline was the 85 composite club. Carlberg, Faoliu, Scott, Baker and Cumberlander were all 84 or 85 composite players. Jelks was the highest rated as a sub 87 composite. You're basing this on your feelings and nothing is grounded in facts. Like literally every player that Big Joe has recruited is rated as good as or better than this current senior group. Afease and Shipley are par for the course for Oregon on the DL. Last class was a nice uptick.
3- Eason has shown nothing that demonstrates he has it between the ears. He has all the arm talent in the world. He just doesn't have the fortitude you want in a superstar. Most kids that go in the first round have a 1) superb talent and 2) a worth ethic second to none. That 2) is why Fromm is the starter at Georgia. Also, Hamden is telling kids on the trail that Haener is a legit contender to be the starter. There is no way Haener should be getting the amount of #1 snaps he did in spring if there weren't some truth to this. If Eason is the clear cut starter, the staff is a) trying to light a fire under Eason's ass or b) following a process to a fault. Those aren't good options. When reading the tea leaves, I assume competency. What I am saying isn't all tea leaves either (let's just say it's more than scuttlebutt).
4 - Unless the pass rush doesn't improve for UW, Eason is either going to be Mr. Dump Off or a wounded by a duck. Brown had 4.7 speed and was slippery. Eason is more like Mettenberger.
There are like no 1st or 2nd team conference players in your front seven going into the season. There are a lot of reason to think this game will come down to wire again.
Your D-line recruiting is shit and has been shit for a long time. If Jordon Scott and Austin Fauloaloalo are the best D-lineman on your roster, that means your D-line recruiting has been absolute shit. Stacking more 3-stars on top of that is not an improvement. It's shit recruiting dude. You're a quook if you disagree.
How do you go from saying "Eason has shown nothing" to "He doesn't have what it takes to be a superstar". That's a contradiction. How the fuck would you know what his potential is? He hasn't played for us yet. Hamdan isn't telling anybody shit about Haener. What the fuck are you talking about? You're just making shit up at this point. Haener was an interception machine all of Spring ball. He has no shot. Petersen is just waiting for Eason to really assert himself as the guy in Fall camp. Just because he's talented doesn't mean the offense has fully clicked for him yet. It takes time. He's had two Spring balls running UW"s offense. The rest of the time was on scout team running other team's plays. That's not a lot of reps running UW's offense.
Let's not forget Sam Darnold didn't blow away USC's coaches in Spring ball or Fall camp before becoming the starter a couple of games into the season. Some guys just need to be named the starter before they can really take off and perform at a high level. Nobody is surprised Eason hasn't blown everybody away. He has one season of playing experience and is still learning UW's offense.
The bottom line is, Jacob Eason is very talented and started as a true Freshman for Georgia and was better as a true Freshman at Georgia than Herbert was as a true Freshman at Oregon. Did he have great stats? No, but he made some throws as a true Freshman that Herbert has yet to make as a three-year starter. If he's good enough for Georgia, he's good enough for UW. Nobody knows what he will become at UW. But your constant doubting of him is clearly biased and retarded. You haven't seen him play a down for UW. You don't know anything. You just HOPE he doesn't pan out.
Leave it to a quook to be all about pre-season all-conference picks. Quooks are all about hype. We're all about substance and post-season all-conference picks here. How would anybody be able to accurately pick how many all-conference players UW is going to have when they don't even know who most of UW's starters will be? Pre-season all-conference picks are based on returning experience and that's it. They don't reflect how talented a team is. UW will have the most talented team in the North and likely the conference.
And while I'm not a big Herbert guy myself and find him to be pretty inconsistent, he has made some big league throws in his time at Oregon, and is overall at least as physically talented as skinny, if not more so because he's a better runner. He also hasn't been working with lights out WR talent, and last season he pretty much had one guy to throw to.
Herbert the better athlete.
Both are elite physical talents.
The difference those guys I mentioned could’ve been drafted when they returned.StrongArmCobra said:
And when Gaines left there were Tuli and Taki. You wanna act like Bronson and Clark will be starters. They'll be third string.lawsandl said:
I will admit that that UW reloads on defense and I did say the floor is high with your team. However, saying the defense will level up is pure doogery. I am making the case for a little regression, not some cliff dive. There’s a reason Bronson and Clark are former walk-ons put on schollie. When Shelton left there was Qualls, when Qualls left there was Vea and when Vea left there was Gaines. Replacing two safeties, a nose guard and both ILBs with dudes that have never played (Wellington played some snaps but nothing about his play screams all conference). Also, Levin is not in the mold of Gaines.UW_Doog_Bot said:
"But you lost Danny Shelton so your Dline is going to regress." Sure, ok. NYBE.lawsandl said:Levi isn’t Gaines, Qualls or Vea and you know it and the dudes around him that have played aren’t the next Levi O or Johnson. Your returning front seven talent are all JAGS. Levi is an above average player and Tryon will be good. Outside of those two they’re not special. What you’re saying is guys that never played a snap will level up the defense.
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Apparently drops were down 80% in spring. I think Coach Johnson was atrocious as well. Bouknight said he had to go over their release off the line with the entire unit.
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There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
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StrongArmCobra said:
There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
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You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
ArizonaSunmlin.gifStrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
Yeah, and vea wasn't shelton, and gaines wasn't vea, and now Levi won't be gaines.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
If you want to talk about how we still won't have a pass rush, go for it but the interior D-line is going to be more than enough to squish the shit out of the PAC12. The question mark is if we have enough depth and experience to last into bowel season and compete with bigger fish. Not if we can continue to have a good Dline regular season. -
If they had a big non conference game the first game of the season while breaking in a new QB and RB, I'd say 9-3 is a possibility. But that's not the case. UW's defense will be too dominant for them to lose more than two games with their schedule and the offense would have to absolutely shit themselves for those two losses to happen. Our secondary is literally the best we've ever had under Petersen and nobody outside of UW fans knows it, yet.lawsandl said:
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
We found @Mosster47 new handle.lawsandl said:
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
Just an FYI, but the two individuals that said Eason is not all that said the same about the secondary. I do expect the secondary to very talented. With inexperience all over the field, I’d expect some frosh mistakes.StrongArmCobra said:
If they had a big non conference game the first game of the season while breaking in a new QB and RB, I'd say 9-3 is a possibility. But that's not the case. UW's defense will be too dominant for them to lose more than two games with their schedule and the offense would have to absolutely shit themselves for those two losses to happen. Our secondary is literally the best we've ever had under Petersen and nobody outside of UW fans knows it, yet.lawsandl said:
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah, and vea wasn't shelton, and gaines wasn't vea, and now Levi won't be gaines.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
If you want to talk about how we still won't have a pass rush, go for it but the interior D-line is going to be more than enough to squish the shit out of the PAC12. The question mark is if we have enough depth and experience to last into bowel season and compete with bigger fish. Not if we can continue to have a good Dline regular season.
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Then your source is full of shit. Lake said this is the best overall secondary he's had here back in the Spring. ANd they're not Freshman. Keith Taylor and Elijah Molden are true Juniors who have played a lot. Myles Bryant is a true Senior who has played a lot and has been a starter the past two seasons. They have experience with youth mixed in.lawsandl said:
Just an FYI, but the two individuals that said Eason is not all that said the same about the secondary. I do expect the secondary to very talented. With inexperience all over the field, I’d expect some frosh mistakes.StrongArmCobra said:
If they had a big non conference game the first game of the season while breaking in a new QB and RB, I'd say 9-3 is a possibility. But that's not the case. UW's defense will be too dominant for them to lose more than two games with their schedule and the offense would have to absolutely shit themselves for those two losses to happen. Our secondary is literally the best we've ever had under Petersen and nobody outside of UW fans knows it, yet.lawsandl said:
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
There won't be. They are more talented than last season. They only lost Gaines and will replace him with two stud RS Freshman NT's.lawsandl said:UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah, and vea wasn't shelton, and gaines wasn't vea, and now Levi won't be gaines.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
If you want to talk about how we still won't have a pass rush, go for it but the interior D-line is going to be more than enough to squish the shit out of the PAC12. The question mark is if we have enough depth and experience to last into bowel season and compete with bigger fish. Not if we can continue to have a good Dline regular season.
Again, I am not saying the dline will suck but that there will be some regression. -
They echoed what you said. It was poorly written.StrongArmCobra said:
Then your source is full of shit. Lake said this is the best overall secondary he's had here back in the Spring. ANd they're not Freshman. Keith Taylor and Elijah Molden are true Juniors who have played a lot. Myles Bryant is a true Senior who has played a lot and has been a starter the past two seasons. They have experience with youth mixed in.lawsandl said:
Just an FYI, but the two individuals that said Eason is not all that said the same about the secondary. I do expect the secondary to very talented. With inexperience all over the field, I’d expect some frosh mistakes.StrongArmCobra said:
If they had a big non conference game the first game of the season while breaking in a new QB and RB, I'd say 9-3 is a possibility. But that's not the case. UW's defense will be too dominant for them to lose more than two games with their schedule and the offense would have to absolutely shit themselves for those two losses to happen. Our secondary is literally the best we've ever had under Petersen and nobody outside of UW fans knows it, yet.lawsandl said:
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
Eason has played two Spring balls of UW's offense. He just needs to get his reads down so he can let it rip. I prefer a guy who is careful with the ball than fucking Haener who is just out there wildly slinging it around all willy nilly and throwing it to the defense. Eason is better than Browning. Don't need him to be a superstar his first season. A game manager will do because of the defense and run game. But at least we know Eason has the arm talent to make all the throws and scare teams with his deep ball. There is a dimension of UW's offense that is automatically unlocked with Eason on teh field compared to Browning. UW will get back to being more explosive and aggressive throwing the ball vertically down the field.lawsandl said:
They echoed what you said. It was poorly written.StrongArmCobra said:
Then your source is full of shit. Lake said this is the best overall secondary he's had here back in the Spring. ANd they're not Freshman. Keith Taylor and Elijah Molden are true Juniors who have played a lot. Myles Bryant is a true Senior who has played a lot and has been a starter the past two seasons. They have experience with youth mixed in.lawsandl said:
Just an FYI, but the two individuals that said Eason is not all that said the same about the secondary. I do expect the secondary to very talented. With inexperience all over the field, I’d expect some frosh mistakes.StrongArmCobra said:
If they had a big non conference game the first game of the season while breaking in a new QB and RB, I'd say 9-3 is a possibility. But that's not the case. UW's defense will be too dominant for them to lose more than two games with their schedule and the offense would have to absolutely shit themselves for those two losses to happen. Our secondary is literally the best we've ever had under Petersen and nobody outside of UW fans knows it, yet.lawsandl said:
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs. -
I am sure Petersen doesn’t either. However, I know some coaches will ask the qb to do things in practice that they wouldn’t in the game to try and push limits. However, Haener was terrible against Cal, so it’s probably just him.StrongArmCobra said:
Eason has played two Spring balls of UW's offense. He just needs to get his reads down so he can let it rip. I prefer a guy who is careful with the ball than fucking Haener who is just out there wildly slinging it around all willy nilly and throwing it to the defense.lawsandl said:
They echoed what you said. It was poorly written.StrongArmCobra said:
Then your source is full of shit. Lake said this is the best overall secondary he's had here back in the Spring. ANd they're not Freshman. Keith Taylor and Elijah Molden are true Juniors who have played a lot. Myles Bryant is a true Senior who has played a lot and has been a starter the past two seasons. They have experience with youth mixed in.lawsandl said:
Just an FYI, but the two individuals that said Eason is not all that said the same about the secondary. I do expect the secondary to very talented. With inexperience all over the field, I’d expect some frosh mistakes.StrongArmCobra said:
If they had a big non conference game the first game of the season while breaking in a new QB and RB, I'd say 9-3 is a possibility. But that's not the case. UW's defense will be too dominant for them to lose more than two games with their schedule and the offense would have to absolutely shit themselves for those two losses to happen. Our secondary is literally the best we've ever had under Petersen and nobody outside of UW fans knows it, yet.lawsandl said:
9-3StrongArmCobra said:
You keep trying to find excuses man. Tuli and Taki will be paired with one of the veteran older guys when they play so they have someone on the field they can communicate with who knows the defense inside and out. The top-4 rotation will be Taki and Levi and then Tuli and Benning. They'll be fine.lawsandl said:StrongArmCobra said:There's no difference. Those guys you mentioned all started playing for UW as RS Freshman and UW's defense was really good with them playing as RS Freshman. It's the same with Tuli and Taki. Talent wins. Experience is for mediocre programs that don't have a lot of talent.
Those players had the benefit of playing next to someone experienced and talented. We can go around in circles on this but the 2019 season is new territory for UW. We just aren’t going to agree. The fact that you concede nothing is blockheaded.
I am sure Taki and Tuli will be good and flash dominance. They will also make some frosh mistakes too. UW is in for another 3 loss season in the the regular season.
UW is going anywhere from 10-2 to 12-0. Cal is a trap game because of their defense and UW's offense breaking in a new QB and RB. After that, they'll be favored to win every game because all their toughest games are at home. Their defense will dominate. Run game will dominate. It's just a matter of getting the passing game dialed in to decide if they go to the Rose Bowl or the Playoffs.
To be fair, the individual didn’t say Haener, that was my assumption. There is possibility that the kid competing for QB1 is someone else like Morris. -
Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible. -
Morris is good and can throw the fucking ball. But I don't see how anyone could pass on the talent of Eason and Sirmon. You want great QB play as long as possible. If you have Eason as the starter, then Sirmon, then Morris, that's 6 or 7 years of great QB play compared to possibly just 4 if you go with Morris as a true Freshman.
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I hope Oregon gets all the four stars from the southeast. Some will decommit, the ones that don't will take more babysitting to get them here, and they're far more likely to portal out than west coast kids. Oh and it leaves more west coast talent to go to other west coast schools (hypothetically).lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible.
Wins across the bored if you axe me. -
It is a win/win. Those guys see the field early, they don’t transfer. They don’t cut the mustard, they portal out. Keep a continuous flow of talent cycling through.dnc said:
I hope Oregon gets all the four stars from the southeast. Some will decommit, the ones that don't will take more babysitting to get them here, and they're far more likely to portal out than west coast kids. Oh and it leaves more west coast talent to go to other west coast schools (hypothetically).lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible.
Wins across the bored if you axe me. -
This is a great philosophy if you have #FlexFridays and shit player development.lawsandl said:
It is a win/win. Those guys see the field early, they don’t transfer. They don’t cut the mustard, they portal out. Keep a continuous flow of talent cycling through.dnc said:
I hope Oregon gets all the four stars from the southeast. Some will decommit, the ones that don't will take more babysitting to get them here, and they're far more likely to portal out than west coast kids. Oh and it leaves more west coast talent to go to other west coast schools (hypothetically).lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible.
Wins across the bored if you axe me.
I approve. -
Saban processes them fast and take large classes every year.dnc said:
This is a great philosophy if you have #FlexFridays and shit player development.lawsandl said:
It is a win/win. Those guys see the field early, they don’t transfer. They don’t cut the mustard, they portal out. Keep a continuous flow of talent cycling through.dnc said:
I hope Oregon gets all the four stars from the southeast. Some will decommit, the ones that don't will take more babysitting to get them here, and they're far more likely to portal out than west coast kids. Oh and it leaves more west coast talent to go to other west coast schools (hypothetically).lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible.
Wins across the bored if you axe me.
I approve. -
He's rated an 86 by 247. He's not elite but he's not terrible. Looks pretty undersized. If that's the best Oregon can do this class their O-line recruiting is shit. And yeah, good chance he doesn't sign with Oregon if someone better in his region comes calling later in the cycle. It's a desperation move by your staff to have to reach for a guy down there.lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible. -
You stupid fucking cocksuckerlawsandl said:Levi isn’t Gaines, Qualls or Vea and you know it and the dudes around him that have played aren’t the next Levi O or Johnson. Your returning front seven talent are all JAGS. Levi is an above average player and Tryon will be good. Outside of those two they’re not special. What you’re saying is guys that never played a snap will level up the defense.
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So Mario is Nick Saban now? You're getting a bunch of 3-star scrubs. Processing them in and out with more 3-star scrubs is not a positive. You have to develop guys when you're not recruiting at a high level. A lot of guys transferring out is not a good thing. It means your team would be forever young, inexperienced, and undeveloped with depth issues. Unless you're recruiting at a top-10 level every year, a lot of attrition is generally a bad thing.lawsandl said:
Saban processes them fast and take large classes every year.dnc said:
This is a great philosophy if you have #FlexFridays and shit player development.lawsandl said:
It is a win/win. Those guys see the field early, they don’t transfer. They don’t cut the mustard, they portal out. Keep a continuous flow of talent cycling through.dnc said:
I hope Oregon gets all the four stars from the southeast. Some will decommit, the ones that don't will take more babysitting to get them here, and they're far more likely to portal out than west coast kids. Oh and it leaves more west coast talent to go to other west coast schools (hypothetically).lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible.
Wins across the bored if you axe me.
I approve. -
• He's good, but he's essentially the same piece as Marcus Harper. They're both in the Dallas Warmack archetype. Yore not putting either of them at tackle.lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible.
• He's a four star by .010 composite points. There's a good chance he's a three-star by the end of the process, in the same way Trikweze Bridges was a four-star who became a three-star.
• I'd prefer Levi Rogers who's a stone-cold lock to be a four-star when it's all said and done and seems a little more in the Dawson Jaramillo archetype. He might be a right tackle. He might be a left guard. But apparently i'm alone there.
• The flaw in this recruiting class is that there isn't one person we?re pursuing who you look at and say "That's a tackle." The bright side is we? have another two years of Sewell and nothing cataclysmic happened to Tauanu'u.
• The most important pieces in tomorrow's events are the 2021 prototypical left tackles. -
Oh shit we got Hatchett!!! I didn't even notice till now! WOOOOOO! That's the best Guard prospect West of the Mississippi right there. Best UW O-line class ever. TRENCH DAWGS!
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And gets classes full of 5 stars.lawsandl said:
Saban processes them fast and take large classes every year.dnc said:
This is a great philosophy if you have #FlexFridays and shit player development.lawsandl said:
It is a win/win. Those guys see the field early, they don’t transfer. They don’t cut the mustard, they portal out. Keep a continuous flow of talent cycling through.dnc said:
I hope Oregon gets all the four stars from the southeast. Some will decommit, the ones that don't will take more babysitting to get them here, and they're far more likely to portal out than west coast kids. Oh and it leaves more west coast talent to go to other west coast schools (hypothetically).lawsandl said:Lol, 247 and Scoopduck teasing Denis as an Oregon lean for his commitment tomorrow.
https://247sports.com/player/jonathan-denis-46046872/
Oregon pulling a 4 star OG out of FL.
You ride the up and downs too hard, SAC.
Tell me he’s going to de-commit and his film is horrible.
Wins across the bored if you axe me.
I approve.
Apples and apple bottom jeans.
