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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735

    I’m not convinced climate change is necessarily bad

    The melting of the ice caps will displace millions of coastal people. Some will be able to simply move further in land but others will be homeless and a massive economic burden around the world. Food will become increasingly difficult to grow. 7 billion people need to eat.
    I’ll never forget the “people are going to starve to death” scare of 1973.

    So technology and people won’t adapt? We will just run in place flapping our arms?

    Are we at peak oil yet? That would have solved everything.

    Let’s assume we? Solve climate change. Whew! Dodged a bullet. You’ll be dead within 81 years. What do you think earth will be like in 1000 years? 10000? 1000000?
    We're already feeling the negative effects of it already. Ask people in Houston who lived there for decades until there house was under water how they feel about climate change. It's not something that's coming 1,000 years from now. It's here and it's going to be here and getting worse the rest of our lives and our children's lives.
    Ax the people in New Orleans who live below sea level, too....because, well, gravity.

    Or maybe the folks in Central/Eastern WA who get smoked out every summer because the timber companies are no longer allowed to properly manage the forest - so nature does it the old fashioned way by burning the shit growth.

    This shit has gone on eons.

    It hasn't been man made for eons and it hasn't changed at such an accelerated rate before minus massive volcanic eruptions or asteroid impacts. That's the major difference. Natural climate change is fine and happen very slowly over millions of years. Man made climate change is not. We have the technology to move on from burning fossil fuels for energy. But there are trillions of dollars at stake that very powerful people are not willing to give up and will do anything to prevent us from moving away from.
    I heard the car companies have the technology to make cars run on water but they are keeping it from everybody because Big Oil paid them off.

    I think I read it on Wikipedia...
    That would be a lot more plausible than denying that more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere causes global warming.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,559 Standard Supporter

    I’m not convinced climate change is necessarily bad

    The melting of the ice caps will displace millions of coastal people. Some will be able to simply move further in land but others will be homeless and a massive economic burden around the world. Food will become increasingly difficult to grow. 7 billion people need to eat.
    I’ll never forget the “people are going to starve to death” scare of 1973.

    So technology and people won’t adapt? We will just run in place flapping our arms?

    Are we at peak oil yet? That would have solved everything.

    Let’s assume we? Solve climate change. Whew! Dodged a bullet. You’ll be dead within 81 years. What do you think earth will be like in 1000 years? 10000? 1000000?
    We're already feeling the negative effects of it already. Ask people in Houston who lived there for decades until there house was under water how they feel about climate change. It's not something that's coming 1,000 years from now. It's here and it's going to be here and getting worse the rest of our lives and our children's lives.
    Ax the people in New Orleans who live below sea level, too....because, well, gravity.

    Or maybe the folks in Central/Eastern WA who get smoked out every summer because the timber companies are no longer allowed to properly manage the forest - so nature does it the old fashioned way by burning the shit growth.

    This shit has gone on eons.

    It hasn't been man made for eons and it hasn't changed at such an accelerated rate before minus massive volcanic eruptions or asteroid impacts. That's the major difference. Natural climate change is fine. Man made climate change is not. We have the technology to move on from burning fossil fuels for energy. But there are trillions of dollars at stake that very powerful people are not willing to give up and will do anything to prevent us from moving away from.
    We don't have the technology

    It doesn't exist

    Yes it fucking does. Research Stanley Meyer. He invented a car that runs on water back in the 90's. He died after eating at a restaurant and running out of the restaurant screaming "they poisoned me". Every major invention that threatens the fossil fuel industry is suppressed by the government.
    The Clintons poisoned him!
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,010

    I’m not convinced climate change is necessarily bad

    The melting of the ice caps will displace millions of coastal people. Some will be able to simply move further in land but others will be homeless and a massive economic burden around the world. Food will become increasingly difficult to grow. 7 billion people need to eat.
    I’ll never forget the “people are going to starve to death” scare of 1973.

    So technology and people won’t adapt? We will just run in place flapping our arms?

    Are we at peak oil yet? That would have solved everything.

    Let’s assume we? Solve climate change. Whew! Dodged a bullet. You’ll be dead within 81 years. What do you think earth will be like in 1000 years? 10000? 1000000?
    We're already feeling the negative effects of it already. Ask people in Houston who lived there for decades until there house was under water how they feel about climate change. It's not something that's coming 1,000 years from now. It's here and it's going to be here and getting worse the rest of our lives and our children's lives.
    Ax the people in New Orleans who live below sea level, too....because, well, gravity.

    Or maybe the folks in Central/Eastern WA who get smoked out every summer because the timber companies are no longer allowed to properly manage the forest - so nature does it the old fashioned way by burning the shit growth.

    This shit has gone on eons.

    It hasn't been man made for eons and it hasn't changed at such an accelerated rate before minus massive volcanic eruptions or asteroid impacts. That's the major difference. Natural climate change is fine and happen very slowly over millions of years. Man made climate change is not. We have the technology to move on from burning fossil fuels for energy. But there are trillions of dollars at stake that very powerful people are not willing to give up and will do anything to prevent us from moving away from.
    I heard the car companies have the technology to make cars run on water but they are keeping it from everybody because Big Oil paid them off.

    I think I read it on Wikipedia...
    That would be a lot more plausible than denying that more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere causes global warming.
    In isolation sure. But in isolation it’s also raises temperatures a meaningless amount in the quantities we are talking about...you realize it’s measured in ppm levels, right? Even the climate modelers understand this which is why they have to add all these crazy amplifying/magnifying phenomenon that they think might maybe occur with increased CO2 levels to get global warming (which why the models have been horrible at predicting temps...)

    But you also think converting water into water can somehow power a car so we know thermodynamics is not your thing...you should stick to you big back theories and leave the trophy for giving threads aids around here to HondoFS.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited July 2019

    I’m not convinced climate change is necessarily bad

    The melting of the ice caps will displace millions of coastal people. Some will be able to simply move further in land but others will be homeless and a massive economic burden around the world. Food will become increasingly difficult to grow. 7 billion people need to eat.
    I’ll never forget the “people are going to starve to death” scare of 1973.

    So technology and people won’t adapt? We will just run in place flapping our arms?

    Are we at peak oil yet? That would have solved everything.

    Let’s assume we? Solve climate change. Whew! Dodged a bullet. You’ll be dead within 81 years. What do you think earth will be like in 1000 years? 10000? 1000000?
    We're already feeling the negative effects of it already. Ask people in Houston who lived there for decades until there house was under water how they feel about climate change. It's not something that's coming 1,000 years from now. It's here and it's going to be here and getting worse the rest of our lives and our children's lives.
    Ax the people in New Orleans who live below sea level, too....because, well, gravity.

    Or maybe the folks in Central/Eastern WA who get smoked out every summer because the timber companies are no longer allowed to properly manage the forest - so nature does it the old fashioned way by burning the shit growth.

    This shit has gone on eons.

    It hasn't been man made for eons and it hasn't changed at such an accelerated rate before minus massive volcanic eruptions or asteroid impacts. That's the major difference. Natural climate change is fine and happen very slowly over millions of years. Man made climate change is not. We have the technology to move on from burning fossil fuels for energy. But there are trillions of dollars at stake that very powerful people are not willing to give up and will do anything to prevent us from moving away from.
    I heard the car companies have the technology to make cars run on water but they are keeping it from everybody because Big Oil paid them off.

    I think I read it on Wikipedia...
    That would be a lot more plausible than denying that more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere causes global warming.
    In isolation sure. But in isolation it’s also raises temperatures a meaningless amount in the quantities we are talking about...you realize it’s measured in ppm levels, right? Even the climate modelers understand this which is why they have to add all these crazy amplifying/magnifying phenomenon that they think might maybe occur with increased CO2 levels to get global warming (which why the models have been horrible at predicting temps...)

    But you also think converting water into water can somehow power a car so we know thermodynamics is not your thing...you should stick to you big back theories and leave the trophy for giving threads aids around here to HondoFS.
    Yeah no, you're wrong and uneducated. One degree of temperature change to the average global temperature is a massive difference in temperature that has big implications. Simply the polar ice caps melting is a huge deal and it doesn't take a big numeric temperature change for that to happen because obviously it's already happening. Those ice caps cool the planet by reflecting more solar radiation back out to space. With less of them, it causes a multiplier effect to the warming.

    I didn't say the car runs on water AND emits water. One invention is a car that runs on hydrogen and emits water. Another is a car that runs on water and emits water vapor. Both have already been invented and suppressed by the government. Inventions like this have been erased and ignored on purpose. Again, trillions of dollars at stake.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,416 Founders Club
    Cobra pretty much closes the case on the indoctrination of our youths

    Like a religion or something
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,010

    I’m not convinced climate change is necessarily bad

    The melting of the ice caps will displace millions of coastal people. Some will be able to simply move further in land but others will be homeless and a massive economic burden around the world. Food will become increasingly difficult to grow. 7 billion people need to eat.
    I’ll never forget the “people are going to starve to death” scare of 1973.

    So technology and people won’t adapt? We will just run in place flapping our arms?

    Are we at peak oil yet? That would have solved everything.

    Let’s assume we? Solve climate change. Whew! Dodged a bullet. You’ll be dead within 81 years. What do you think earth will be like in 1000 years? 10000? 1000000?
    We're already feeling the negative effects of it already. Ask people in Houston who lived there for decades until there house was under water how they feel about climate change. It's not something that's coming 1,000 years from now. It's here and it's going to be here and getting worse the rest of our lives and our children's lives.
    Ax the people in New Orleans who live below sea level, too....because, well, gravity.

    Or maybe the folks in Central/Eastern WA who get smoked out every summer because the timber companies are no longer allowed to properly manage the forest - so nature does it the old fashioned way by burning the shit growth.

    This shit has gone on eons.

    It hasn't been man made for eons and it hasn't changed at such an accelerated rate before minus massive volcanic eruptions or asteroid impacts. That's the major difference. Natural climate change is fine and happen very slowly over millions of years. Man made climate change is not. We have the technology to move on from burning fossil fuels for energy. But there are trillions of dollars at stake that very powerful people are not willing to give up and will do anything to prevent us from moving away from.
    I heard the car companies have the technology to make cars run on water but they are keeping it from everybody because Big Oil paid them off.

    I think I read it on Wikipedia...
    That would be a lot more plausible than denying that more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere causes global warming.
    In isolation sure. But in isolation it’s also raises temperatures a meaningless amount in the quantities we are talking about...you realize it’s measured in ppm levels, right? Even the climate modelers understand this which is why they have to add all these crazy amplifying/magnifying phenomenon that they think might maybe occur with increased CO2 levels to get global warming (which why the models have been horrible at predicting temps...)

    But you also think converting water into water can somehow power a car so we know thermodynamics is not your thing...you should stick to you big back theories and leave the trophy for giving threads aids around here to HondoFS.
    Yeah no, you're wrong and uneducated. One degree of temperature change to the average global temperature is a massive difference in temperature that has big implications. Simply the polar ice caps melting is a huge deal and it doesn't take a big numeric temperature change for that to happen because obviously it's already happening. Those ice caps cool the planet by reflecting more solar radiation back out to space. With less of them, it causes a multiplier effect to the warming.

    I didn't say the car runs on water AND emits water. One invention is a car that runs on hydrogen and emits water. Another is a car that runs on water and emits water vapor. Both have already been invented and suppressed by the government. Inventions like this have been erased and ignored on purpose. Again, trillions of dollars at stake.
    Where again did I say a degree increase? I said a meaningless amount. And the Arctic ice is shrinking and Antarctic ice is growing...minor details though.

    I’m the “uneducated” one, yet you broadcast your intelligence by saying that converting liquid water to water vapor somehow makes more sense than converting water to water...you can’t make this shite up, thermodynamics be damned...

    HondoFS has to be smiling that you showed up...
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited July 2019

    I’m not convinced climate change is necessarily bad

    The melting of the ice caps will displace millions of coastal people. Some will be able to simply move further in land but others will be homeless and a massive economic burden around the world. Food will become increasingly difficult to grow. 7 billion people need to eat.
    I’ll never forget the “people are going to starve to death” scare of 1973.

    So technology and people won’t adapt? We will just run in place flapping our arms?

    Are we at peak oil yet? That would have solved everything.

    Let’s assume we? Solve climate change. Whew! Dodged a bullet. You’ll be dead within 81 years. What do you think earth will be like in 1000 years? 10000? 1000000?
    We're already feeling the negative effects of it already. Ask people in Houston who lived there for decades until there house was under water how they feel about climate change. It's not something that's coming 1,000 years from now. It's here and it's going to be here and getting worse the rest of our lives and our children's lives.
    Ax the people in New Orleans who live below sea level, too....because, well, gravity.

    Or maybe the folks in Central/Eastern WA who get smoked out every summer because the timber companies are no longer allowed to properly manage the forest - so nature does it the old fashioned way by burning the shit growth.

    This shit has gone on eons.

    It hasn't been man made for eons and it hasn't changed at such an accelerated rate before minus massive volcanic eruptions or asteroid impacts. That's the major difference. Natural climate change is fine and happen very slowly over millions of years. Man made climate change is not. We have the technology to move on from burning fossil fuels for energy. But there are trillions of dollars at stake that very powerful people are not willing to give up and will do anything to prevent us from moving away from.
    I heard the car companies have the technology to make cars run on water but they are keeping it from everybody because Big Oil paid them off.

    I think I read it on Wikipedia...
    That would be a lot more plausible than denying that more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere causes global warming.
    In isolation sure. But in isolation it’s also raises temperatures a meaningless amount in the quantities we are talking about...you realize it’s measured in ppm levels, right? Even the climate modelers understand this which is why they have to add all these crazy amplifying/magnifying phenomenon that they think might maybe occur with increased CO2 levels to get global warming (which why the models have been horrible at predicting temps...)

    But you also think converting water into water can somehow power a car so we know thermodynamics is not your thing...you should stick to you big back theories and leave the trophy for giving threads aids around here to HondoFS.
    Yeah no, you're wrong and uneducated. One degree of temperature change to the average global temperature is a massive difference in temperature that has big implications. Simply the polar ice caps melting is a huge deal and it doesn't take a big numeric temperature change for that to happen because obviously it's already happening. Those ice caps cool the planet by reflecting more solar radiation back out to space. With less of them, it causes a multiplier effect to the warming.

    I didn't say the car runs on water AND emits water. One invention is a car that runs on hydrogen and emits water. Another is a car that runs on water and emits water vapor. Both have already been invented and suppressed by the government. Inventions like this have been erased and ignored on purpose. Again, trillions of dollars at stake.
    Where again did I say a degree increase? I said a meaningless amount. And the Arctic ice is shrinking and Antarctic ice is growing...minor details though.

    I’m the “uneducated” one, yet you broadcast your intelligence by saying that converting liquid water to water vapor somehow makes more sense than converting water to water...you can’t make this shite up, thermodynamics be damned...

    HondoFS has to be smiling that you showed up...
    The Antarctic ice is shrinking and breaking apart. How the fuck do you not know this? There are massive cracks forming in it and a chunk twice the size of Rhode island broke off of it two years ago.

    You keep saying thermodynamics as if you know what the fuck you're talking about. Are you a scientist? I'm not. The point is the car could run on fucking water instead of gas. It had a water fuel cell. It split the water into pure oxygen and pure hydrogen and used both to power a combustion engine with the hydrogen being the combustible element and the oxygen being an oxidizer to make the internal combustion more powerful and the emission was water vapor. That's all I know. No car manufacturers have tried to replicate it since.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254


    The current solar minimum is driving the cooling trend that started 8-10,000 years ago. It's the sun that drives climate not humans. If you only know temps post-1880 you have no glacial cycle bearing.

    SAC is correct, Stanley Meyer did develop a motor that ran on water from his garden hose, and died from poisoning.

    https://youtu.be/GFIlXaABU54