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Not satisfied with trashing the flag the Democrats attack the Declaration of Independance

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    GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
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    It was a great document but sexism and extreme racism was accepted in the day as a social norm.

    So virtually every document, every book, every word written in the history of the world by virtually every single person who lived in a time when there was slavery or women didn't have the right to vote now needs to be scrapped by liberals because a supposedly flawed human being wrote it? Every piece of art, every piece of legislation, every law, the Bible, all historic documents need to be banned or painted over because "sexism and extreme racism was accepted in the day as a social norm".

    Did I get that about right because that is what this is all leading to. Libs are toppling statues, banning books, painting over historic works of art, etc. When will liberals be happy, when they have destroyed all history and re-written it in their own image?
    Go ahead and show us where anyone is calling for the Declaration of Independence to be scrapped, banned etc. you are so consumed by hatred Atl that you don’t bother to read the quote.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,836
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    GDS said:

    It was a great document but sexism and extreme racism was accepted in the day as a social norm.

    So virtually every document, every book, every word written in the history of the world by virtually every single person who lived in a time when there was slavery or women didn't have the right to vote now needs to be scrapped by liberals because a supposedly flawed human being wrote it? Every piece of art, every piece of legislation, every law, the Bible, all historic documents need to be banned or painted over because "sexism and extreme racism was accepted in the day as a social norm".

    Did I get that about right because that is what this is all leading to. Libs are toppling statues, banning books, painting over historic works of art, etc. When will liberals be happy, when they have destroyed all history and re-written it in their own image?
    Go ahead and show us where anyone is calling for the Declaration of Independence to be scrapped, banned etc. you are so consumed by hatred Atl that you don’t bother to read the quote.
    The left is calling for socialism, gun control, jailing for free speech and outright changing the constitution.

    Don't you listen?
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    “Yet despite its overwhelming positive impact on history, the Declaration of Independence was also a product of it time - and bears some of shortcomings of its era, including sexism, racism and prejudice against Native Americans.”

    “Is any of this intended to suggest that we should not take pride in the Declaration of Independence? Not even remotely: It was - and continues to be - one of the most eloquent and morally moving political documents ever penned. That said, we must also remember that our Founding Fathers were not the living gods many that many believe them to be. They were fallible human beings, and some of their flaws had terrible consequences for people who were not fortunate enough to be born into privileged groups.”

    Which parts of this are incorrect?

    Rather, which parts of the Declaration of Independence are incorrect?

    The All men are Created Equal part? Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness?

    Despotism? Calling out the Tyrannical ruler's shit? Self-determination?

    I'll wait.



    The parts that didn’t apply to women and black people.
    Cite and quote - or is this this standard "well, you just don't understand angle' setup? Already have 8 men in the box to shut that shit down.

    Go read some Jeffersonian thought. Jefferson use of language was succinct in terms of humankind and enlightenment.




    If you need me to cite and quote which parts didn’t apply to women and black people then you’re dumber than bob.
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    DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
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    2001400ex said:


    I am so tired of liberal hatred, narcissism and victim hood. They are worse than a bus load of 2 year old's FFS.

    I chuckle when a Trump supporter says shit like this. Given the hatred Trump spews. He is clearly clinically narcissist. And always thinks he's the victim. But ok!! Keep spouting the rush Limbaugh and Sean hannity bullshit. It's a good look.
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha just amazing a lib Obama supporter talking about someone else’s narcissism! Obama was so much of a narcissist IMO he was close to a sociopath on the continuum. You are a hypocrite and completely clueless.



    Is he a sociopath or a malignant narcissist?
    “Sociopathy” is a strong word, but used by many to describe Obama – not necessarily as a clinical psychiatric diagnosis, but just because the symptoms fit so darn well, as per this typical description: “Sociopaths are often well-liked because of their charm and high charisma, but they do not usually care about other people. They think mainly of themselves and often blame others for the things that they do. They have a complete disregard for rules and lie constantly. They seldom feel guilt or learn from punishments.”
    OR
    "One veteran psychiatrist suggested a slightly different diagnosis for Obama, but similar to “sociopathy” in many ways – namely, “malignant narcissistic personality disorder.” The modifier “malignant” signifies the version of “narcissistic personality disorder” that may cross over into criminality.
    He even reviewed with me a list of some of the major symptoms of NPD, comparing them with Obama’s behavior as president. Among the key markers: 1) a grandiose view of one’s achievements (everything with Obama is “historic”), 2) an utter inability to handle criticism (everyone criticizing Obama or his policies is attacked as extremist or racist, his White House even condemning Fox News as “not a real news organization”), and 3) lack of genuine empathy (Obama gave a televised speech on the day of the Fort Hood terror attack in which a Muslim U.S. Army major shot 45 Americans, 13 fatally. With the entire nation reeling in shock and yearning for strong, reassuring words from their commander in chief, Obama instead engaged in small talk and an inane “shout-out” for two full minutes before even mentioning that the worst terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11 had just occurred hours earlier.)
    To be sure, many mainstream analysts, including Pulitzer-winning columnist and former psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer, have repeatedly pointed to Obama’s extreme narcissism. Regardless of the “diagnosis,” one thing is certain: We’re talking about a person who absolutely does not consider serial lying to be in any way immoral or problematic."
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    DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
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    Samuel Vaknin, Ph.D.
    Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

    Dr. Vaknin states “I must confess I was impressed by Sen. Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident – a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words.

    Obama’s speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi “religious” impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects. Barack Obama is a narcissist. Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes “Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist.”

    Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens.

    Vaknin says that Obama’s language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of

    People’s Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.

    When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don’t know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse. “Obama’s early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations,” says Vaknin. “Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995″.

    One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents.

    Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.

    If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The “present” vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.

    Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father. Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama’s lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month. A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power. A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake.

    What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?

    I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others… They are simply self serving and selfish. Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

    Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama’s detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

    The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960’s. Obama will set the clock back decades… America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations. It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House.

    America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Da fuq does Obama have to do with this conversation? You have no idea what the word narcissist means you fucking idiot.

    And I always chuckle when a Trump supporter says anything about another person lying.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,752
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    “Yet despite its overwhelming positive impact on history, the Declaration of Independence was also a product of it time - and bears some of shortcomings of its era, including sexism, racism and prejudice against Native Americans.”

    “Is any of this intended to suggest that we should not take pride in the Declaration of Independence? Not even remotely: It was - and continues to be - one of the most eloquent and morally moving political documents ever penned. That said, we must also remember that our Founding Fathers were not the living gods many that many believe them to be. They were fallible human beings, and some of their flaws had terrible consequences for people who were not fortunate enough to be born into privileged groups.”

    Which parts of this are incorrect?

    Those ungrateful cunts would wipe their asses on it in a split second if they ever had the chance. And then burn it.

    How fucking stupid can you be, APAG? You sure as shit don’t understand power, which is all those cunts are about.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,752
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    It was a great document but sexism and extreme racism was accepted in the day as a social norm.

    So was bleeding people to get rid of diseases. Didn’t learn “context” at Central, did you, D2?
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,836
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    2001400ex said:

    Da fuq does Obama have to do with this conversation? You have no idea what the word narcissist means you fucking idiot.

    And I always chuckle when a Trump supporter says anything about another person lying.

    Read the fucking thread you useless twat!

    Being a massive liar you should know.

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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,752
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    DJDuck said:

    Samuel Vaknin, Ph.D.
    Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

    Dr. Vaknin states “I must confess I was impressed by Sen. Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident – a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words.

    Obama’s speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi “religious” impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects. Barack Obama is a narcissist. Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes “Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist.”

    Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens.

    Vaknin says that Obama’s language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of

    People’s Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.

    When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don’t know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse. “Obama’s early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations,” says Vaknin. “Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995″.

    One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents.

    Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.

    If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The “present” vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.

    Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father. Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama’s lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month. A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power. A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake.

    What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?

    I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others… They are simply self serving and selfish. Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

    Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama’s detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

    The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960’s. Obama will set the clock back decades… America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations. It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House.

    America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

    Fortunately, thanks to that racist old Constitution, the office is greater than the man who temporarily occupies it.

    That’s the brilliance of our forefathers, despite their scandalous, scoundrel status in the eyes of SJWs.

    Words have meanings and far outlive the men and women who write them. Except in SJW land.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,872
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    “Yet despite its overwhelming positive impact on history, the Declaration of Independence was also a product of it time - and bears some of shortcomings of its era, including sexism, racism and prejudice against Native Americans.”

    “Is any of this intended to suggest that we should not take pride in the Declaration of Independence? Not even remotely: It was - and continues to be - one of the most eloquent and morally moving political documents ever penned. That said, we must also remember that our Founding Fathers were not the living gods many that many believe them to be. They were fallible human beings, and some of their flaws had terrible consequences for people who were not fortunate enough to be born into privileged groups.”

    Which parts of this are incorrect?

    Rather, which parts of the Declaration of Independence are incorrect?

    The All men are Created Equal part? Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness?

    Despotism? Calling out the Tyrannical ruler's shit? Self-determination?

    I'll wait.



    The parts that didn’t apply to women and black people.
    Cite and quote - or is this this standard "well, you just don't understand angle' setup? Already have 8 men in the box to shut that shit down.

    Go read some Jeffersonian thought. Jefferson use of language was succinct in terms of humankind and enlightenment.




    If you need me to cite and quote which parts didn’t apply to women and black people then you’re dumber than bob.
    So you’ve got nothing other than the old ‘you’re too dumb to understand “ play which we’ve already identified as the go-to default.

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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    So the left is as bad as Trump

    Got it

    Agreed
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    oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    The modern day 'liberal' is a fascist.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,752
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    The modern day SJW ’liberal' is a fascist.
    The modern day Socialist liberal is merely a Communist.

    *fixed it for ya. Twice.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    Conservatives are the new liberals.

    You're a greasy Duck. There's nothing special about you. You should feel fortunate you're allowed to stay in this country at all. The indigenous folk tolerate you because you (allegedly) came here legally. That's the only thing you've got going for you.
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    oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    Seemed to have struck a nerve with that one. If you can't take it, don't dish it out, little kitten.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    Seemed to have struck a nerve with that one. If you can't take it, don't dish it out, little kitten.

    Lolz. Yeah sure private dip shit. I'll do what I can to get over it.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    2001400ex said:

    Da fuq does Obama have to do with this conversation? You have no idea what the word narcissist means you fucking idiot.

    And I always chuckle when a Trump supporter says anything about another person lying.

    I always chuckle when a pathological liar like yourself says anything about another person lying.
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