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Nobody has a plan. It's a tuff issue.GreenRiverGatorz said:
What even is the GOP plan for healthcare? If they repeal Obamacare any further they know they're eating the loss. So now what?dflea said:Health care will become the issue. Get out ahead of it now if you want to win.
The defaults are (1) it's fine as it is and (2) free for everyone! -
I always favored the original Obamacare. The preexisting conditions clause was always a key need and the individual mandate was theoretically a crafty tool to keep exchanges solvent and not overrun with a bunch of lemons.creepycoug said:
Nobody has a plan. It's a tuff issue.GreenRiverGatorz said:
What even is the GOP plan for healthcare? If they repeal Obamacare any further they know they're eating the loss. So now what?dflea said:Health care will become the issue. Get out ahead of it now if you want to win.
The defaults are (1) it's fine as it is and (2) free for everyone!
But the labrotary of democracy spoke, and despite the mandate Obamacare ultimately wasn't sufficient to keep exchanges profitable on a large scale. What worked in theory failed in practice.
Which leaves us with what? Let Obamacare continue to rot and return to the pre-2010 disaster that was our healthcare system? Shoot for the moon and implement a costly universal coverage system that simultaneously fucks over people who actually have good healthcare plans? Enticing choices.
The smart money is on both parties accomplishing nothing and continuing to play this game of roulette where they both hope the system fails its hardest when the other party is in power. -
But but they needed the money for high speed light rail to nowhere!!SFGbob said:One of the highest gas taxes and sales taxes in the country because they care so much about the little people.
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I don't have much to add to the debate except to offer up this list of random facts that inform my concerns:GreenRiverGatorz said:
I always favored the original Obamacare. The preexisting conditions clause was always a key need and the individual mandate was theoretically a crafty tool to keep exchanges solvent and not overrun with a bunch of lemons.creepycoug said:
Nobody has a plan. It's a tuff issue.GreenRiverGatorz said:
What even is the GOP plan for healthcare? If they repeal Obamacare any further they know they're eating the loss. So now what?dflea said:Health care will become the issue. Get out ahead of it now if you want to win.
The defaults are (1) it's fine as it is and (2) free for everyone!
But the labrotary of democracy spoke, and despite the mandate Obamacare ultimately wasn't sufficient to keep exchanges profitable on a large scale. What worked in theory failed in practice.
Which leaves us with what? Let Obamacare continue to rot and return to the pre-2010 disaster that was our healthcare system? Shoot for the moon and implement a costly universal coverage system that simultaneously fucks over people who actually have good healthcare plans? Enticing choices.
The smart money is on both parties accomplishing nothing and continuing to play this game of roulette where they both hope the system fails its hardest when the other party is in power.
1. I make a pretty good living on a relative comparison basis and I work for an organization with large resources; and despite that, it seems that I like my insurance less and less each year. Overall, I seem to pay more for less.
2. There is one person close to me who has a chronic, but manageable, health condition. This makes me worry about the future.
3. I know a lot of people on Medicare who would be completely fucked without it.
I'll wait for @UW_Doog_Bot and @YellowSnow and others who are better at the economis than I to weigh in seriously b4 I shit my pants about it here. All I know is that there is always going to be a % of the population for whom society has to do everything, and another % for whom society has to subsidize a lot, and whole boat load of people who do their part and mean well but will still fall short on this one.
I don't want to wait 8 mos. to get a cancer scan, I don't want to not be able to afford to take care of myself and I don't want the US to become a place where I can't get the most advanced treatment if it makes sense. But I'd also like to be able to do it w/o having to liquidate all my assets.
I'm willing to put it all on the table and work through it from a political standpoint. Is tort reform the real answer? If so, let's talk about it. Is some kind of government oversight of the medical and pharma industry the best move? Bring it on. The issue I have is that I never hear any good idea sincerely put forth by anyone.
I just know that dismissing things out of hand based on economic and political philosophy and related conjecture by a bunch of amateurs hasn't gotten us anywhere (which is why I hold my tongue on this shit moar now, because I know I'm out of my element). There are a few immutable truths that have to be harmonized somehow: (1) it's frickin' hard to become a doc, let alone a good one, and you want that; (2) those guys didn't sign up to drive Corollas and Civics; (3) delivery of advanced medical treatment is capital fucking intensive and risky; and (4) everyone is going to need it eventually.
Do we cut back on other big public shit to pay for it? Does the military need to be the % of the budget it is now? I don't have anything against the military, but it's a hungry beast. Will true welfare reform free up enough public funds to help the issue?
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Pre Obamacare was better than Obamacare
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Disagree, but also who gives a shit. It's like arguing Ty vs. Gilby. Both models saw high healthcare spending and outcomes that couldn't keep pace with the rest of the world. They're both failures.RaceBannon said:Pre Obamacare was better than Obamacare
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On to 2020!RaceBannon said:Somehow you have to translate the passion for the crazy kids to an adult over 35 who can actually take office
That was Bernie but the DNC doesn't want him
Nothing to do with 16
We're on to 2020
You are 60+ years old.
Without health insurance.
No retirement plan.
Started smoking again.
I wonder how this is going to end?
MAGA! -
Thanks for reading!CirrhosisDawg said:
On to 2020!RaceBannon said:Somehow you have to translate the passion for the crazy kids to an adult over 35 who can actually take office
That was Bernie but the DNC doesn't want him
Nothing to do with 16
We're on to 2020
You are 60+ years old.
Without health insurance.
No retirement plan.
Started smoking again.
I wonder how this is going to end?
MAGA! -
I don't see any good options.creepycoug said:
I don't have much to add to the debate except to offer up this list of random facts that inform my concerns:GreenRiverGatorz said:
I always favored the original Obamacare. The preexisting conditions clause was always a key need and the individual mandate was theoretically a crafty tool to keep exchanges solvent and not overrun with a bunch of lemons.creepycoug said:
Nobody has a plan. It's a tuff issue.GreenRiverGatorz said:
What even is the GOP plan for healthcare? If they repeal Obamacare any further they know they're eating the loss. So now what?dflea said:Health care will become the issue. Get out ahead of it now if you want to win.
The defaults are (1) it's fine as it is and (2) free for everyone!
But the labrotary of democracy spoke, and despite the mandate Obamacare ultimately wasn't sufficient to keep exchanges profitable on a large scale. What worked in theory failed in practice.
Which leaves us with what? Let Obamacare continue to rot and return to the pre-2010 disaster that was our healthcare system? Shoot for the moon and implement a costly universal coverage system that simultaneously fucks over people who actually have good healthcare plans? Enticing choices.
The smart money is on both parties accomplishing nothing and continuing to play this game of roulette where they both hope the system fails its hardest when the other party is in power.
1. I make a pretty good living on a relative comparison basis and I work for an organization with large resources; and despite that, it seems that I like my insurance less and less each year. Overall, I seem to pay more for less.
2. There is one person close to me who has a chronic, but manageable, health condition. This makes me worry about the future.
3. I know a lot of people on Medicare who would be completely fucked without it.
I'll wait for @UW_Doog_Bot and @YellowSnow and others who are better at the economis than I to weigh in seriously b4 I shit my pants about it here. All I know is that there is always going to be a % of the population for whom society has to do everything, and another % for whom society has to subsidize a lot, and whole boat load of people who do their part and mean well but will still fall short on this one.
I don't want to wait 8 mos. to get a cancer scan, I don't want to not be able to afford to take care of myself and I don't want the US to become a place where I can't get the most advanced treatment if it makes sense. But I'd also like to be able to do it w/o having to liquidate all my assets.
I'm willing to put it all on the table and work through it from a political standpoint. Is tort reform the real answer? If so, let's talk about it. Is some kind of government oversight of the medical and pharma industry the best move? Bring it on. The issue I have is that I never hear any good idea sincerely put forth by anyone.
I just know that dismissing things out of hand based on economic and political philosophy and related conjecture by a bunch of amateurs hasn't gotten us anywhere (which is why I hold my tongue on this shit moar now, because I know I'm out of my element). There are a few immutable truths that have to be harmonized somehow: (1) it's frickin' hard to become a doc, let alone a good one, and you want that; (2) those guys didn't sign up to drive Corollas and Civics; (3) delivery of advanced medical treatment is capital fucking intensive and risky; and (4) everyone is going to need it eventually.
Do we cut back on other big public shit to pay for it? Does the military need to be the % of the budget it is now? I don't have anything against the military, but it's a hungry beast. Will true welfare reform free up enough public funds to help the issue?
If I were to start a utopia from scratch today, Bernie's Medicare for all model would be my go to. It's the only way to provide for everyone when the free market has clearly fallen short for our most vulnerable.
But that's not where we are. A move to M4A in today's system would run into any of, but not limited to, the following problems:
-Providers would be under capacity and wait times would sky rocket. You can't add 30 million people to the pool and not expect painful upfront costs.
-People with previously good healthcare would see worse coverage at potentially higher costs. Sucks to be them?
-The government is now in charge of setting prices for Medicare to charge providers. History has a not so glowing track record of governments setting prices for essential services. Bureaucracy now has an insane amount of power with few levers of oversight.
-If these prices are too high, we're overpaying for healthcare. If they're too low we're not properly compensating providers and we're disincentivizing an entire industry. Our best and brightest will no longer want to become doctors.
-We're dismantling an entire insurance industry. A lucrative one at that. That's an economic hit. Portfolios plummet and job losses abound.
Anyways, I can see why this is a political no-go for the GOP. But what's the alternative? Or are we content with the status quo?
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Awfully warm out for June 2019 (17 months prior)
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Loloregonblitzkrieg said:Trump is president, and now owns the border invasion. Not accomplishing anything in regard to immigration in his first two years when his party was in control of both Houses was incompetent. Continuing to NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT when he has the power to shut immigration down TODAY as president, is treason.
Trump is quickly becoming America's Angela Merkel. -
Maybe trump will propose an immigration and health care plan. You know, a common sense plan! Instead of this bullshit. I know that will make you happy.RaceBannon said:
Thanks for reading!CirrhosisDawg said:
On to 2020!RaceBannon said:Somehow you have to translate the passion for the crazy kids to an adult over 35 who can actually take office
That was Bernie but the DNC doesn't want him
Nothing to do with 16
We're on to 2020
You are 60+ years old.
Without health insurance.
No retirement plan.
Started smoking again.
I wonder how this is going to end?
MAGA! -
I'm happy I'm not as miserable as some Oracle of El Monte who has life all figured out and yet is an angry drunkCirrhosisDawg said:
Maybe trump will propose an immigration and health care plan. You know, a common sense plan! Instead of this bullshit. I know that will make you happy.RaceBannon said:
Thanks for reading!CirrhosisDawg said:
On to 2020!RaceBannon said:Somehow you have to translate the passion for the crazy kids to an adult over 35 who can actually take office
That was Bernie but the DNC doesn't want him
Nothing to do with 16
We're on to 2020
You are 60+ years old.
Without health insurance.
No retirement plan.
Started smoking again.
I wonder how this is going to end?
MAGA!
Good luck the rest of the way
