I thought that angry white males were responsible for mass shootings?

SFGbob said:

HustlinOwl said:

Awesome, so you found the single incident that disproves the other 100 and some.

I don't think skin color has anything to do with mass shootings. You and most of the left appear to think it does. I know you as a self hating white person don't like it Owl but white males are still the majority of the men in this country. These shootings are carried out by men. Hardly shocking that majority of these shootings are carried out by white males.

And the fact that you believe that there's only been one incident of a mass shooting that was carried out by a non-white person just reveals more evidence of what a ignorant dumbfuck you are Owl.

I hadn't read this. Now I see the point you're making.

I'm not sure myself if it does or if it doesn't. Race in the US matters. It's nice to say that's only because of left wing philosophy, but I reject that idea. It matters because it always has mattered, and as recently as in my lifetime, it mattered quite a lot. Not because of conservativism or progressivism, but because of racism. There have been, and still are, racists all over the place. Sure, things are much better, and sure, some liberal politicians and local community charlatans make a career out of preying on this issue, but none of that translates to "there's no racism".

We had an exchange some time ago (a bunch of us) about why experience with the police is different for black men, and somebody responded it's because black men commit more crimes. But that general criminal tendency doesn't seem to be expressed in this particular type of crime. Sure, there are 50 murders a day in Chicago, or whatever the number is, and black men are behind a lot of those. But this psychotic and randomly-appearing rampage thing, here at least, does seem to occur more with white guys. I don't have the cause and effect explanation for why that is, but it does seem to be the case.

All I'd say on the matter is, since race does play a part in the life experience of a great many people in the US, it wouldn't be too surprising that, depending on one's circumstances, how that plays out might be different for white men vs. black men, and that may express or manifest itself in the nature of the crimes they tend to commit.

Or it might be entirely random. I wouldn't really know because I don't study these things.

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

HustlinOwl said:

Awesome, so you found the single incident that disproves the other 100 and some.

I don't think skin color has anything to do with mass shootings. You and most of the left appear to think it does. I know you as a self hating white person don't like it Owl but white males are still the majority of the men in this country. These shootings are carried out by men. Hardly shocking that majority of these shootings are carried out by white males.

And the fact that you believe that there's only been one incident of a mass shooting that was carried out by a non-white person just reveals more evidence of what a ignorant dumbfuck you are Owl.

I hadn't read this. Now I see the point you're making.

I'm not sure myself if it does or if it doesn't. Race in the US matters. It's nice to say that's only because of left wing philosophy, but I reject that idea. It matters because it always has mattered, and as recently as in my lifetime, it mattered quite a lot. Not because of conservativism or progressivism, but because of racism. There have been, and still are, racists all over the place. Sure, things are much better, and sure, some liberal politicians and local community charlatans make a career out of preying on this issue, but none of that translates to "there's no racism".

We had an exchange some time ago (a bunch of us) about why experience with the police is different for black men, and somebody responded it's because black men commit more crimes. But that general criminal tendency doesn't seem to be expressed in this particular type of crime. Sure, there are 50 murders a day in Chicago, or whatever the number is, and black men are behind a lot of those. But this psychotic and randomly-appearing rampage thing, here at least, does seem to occur more with white guys. I don't have the cause and effect explanation for why that is, but it does seem to be the case.

All I'd say on the matter is, since race does play a part in the life experience of a great many people in the US, it wouldn't be too surprising that, depending on one's circumstances, how that plays out might be different for white men vs. black men, and that may express or manifest itself in the nature of the crimes they tend to commit.

Or it might be entirely random. I wouldn't really know because I don't study these things.

Read the link that USMC posted.

I've now read (most of) it.

Acknowledging that "dead reckoning" is a dangerous way to evaluate social phenomena, I am struggling to think of random mass murderers over the past twenty years who were black.

I would imagine it's all in the definition of the crime being measured. I would guess that there are many crimes involving the shooting of more than four people committed by black men. But I would also guess that those crimes, while terrible, are of a different stripe than Sandy Hook, Va Tech, Vegas, etc. A gang banger knocking five people out in the South Side of Chicago isn't the same thing as a guy with a successful business going up into a Vegas hotel room and mowing down as many people as he can.

All kinds of people do all kinds of nasty, nasty shit. I'm clear on that. But this random, "get a gun, go to work and shoot up the 7th floor and kill yourself" is its own brand of crime.

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

HustlinOwl said:

Awesome, so you found the single incident that disproves the other 100 and some.

I don't think skin color has anything to do with mass shootings. You and most of the left appear to think it does. I know you as a self hating white person don't like it Owl but white males are still the majority of the men in this country. These shootings are carried out by men. Hardly shocking that majority of these shootings are carried out by white males.

And the fact that you believe that there's only been one incident of a mass shooting that was carried out by a non-white person just reveals more evidence of what a ignorant dumbfuck you are Owl.

I hadn't read this. Now I see the point you're making.

I'm not sure myself if it does or if it doesn't. Race in the US matters. It's nice to say that's only because of left wing philosophy, but I reject that idea. It matters because it always has mattered, and as recently as in my lifetime, it mattered quite a lot. Not because of conservativism or progressivism, but because of racism. There have been, and still are, racists all over the place. Sure, things are much better, and sure, some liberal politicians and local community charlatans make a career out of preying on this issue, but none of that translates to "there's no racism".

We had an exchange some time ago (a bunch of us) about why experience with the police is different for black men, and somebody responded it's because black men commit more crimes. But that general criminal tendency doesn't seem to be expressed in this particular type of crime. Sure, there are 50 murders a day in Chicago, or whatever the number is, and black men are behind a lot of those. But this psychotic and randomly-appearing rampage thing, here at least, does seem to occur more with white guys. I don't have the cause and effect explanation for why that is, but it does seem to be the case.

All I'd say on the matter is, since race does play a part in the life experience of a great many people in the US, it wouldn't be too surprising that, depending on one's circumstances, how that plays out might be different for white men vs. black men, and that may express or manifest itself in the nature of the crimes they tend to commit.

Or it might be entirely random. I wouldn't really know because I don't study these things.

Read the link that USMC posted.

I've now read (most of) it.

Acknowledging that "dead reckoning" is a dangerous way to evaluate social phenomena, I am struggling to think of random mass murderers over the past twenty years who were black.

I would imagine it's all in the definition of the crime being measured. I would guess that there are many crimes involving the shooting of more than four people committed by black men. But I would also guess that those crimes, while terrible, are of a different stripe than Sandy Hook, Va Tech, Vegas, etc. A gang banger knocking five people out in the South Side of Chicago isn't the same thing as a guy with a successful business going up into a Vegas hotel room and mowing down as many people as he can.

All kinds of people do all kinds of nasty, nasty shit. I'm clear on that. But this random, "get a gun, go to work and shoot up the 7th floor and kill yourself" is its own brand of crime.

https://www.theroot.com/rare-gunmen-black-mass-shooters-1790868358

The guy who shot up the Dallas cops should also be on this list.

There are plenty of black mass shooters.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_ba12dd42-c68f-11e8-b794-bf6b850bf74d.html

The Beltway snipers.