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oregonblitzkrieg
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Northwestern football players are trying to start a labor union. The poor players aren't getting paid to play. The coaches get paid and they don't. The schools are making money by selling their jerseys. Sniff, sniff. Ignore the fact that you get a free education, a free platform to showcase your skills, fame and a shot at the NFL if you're a good enough player. None of that is worth anything, right? It would be nice if someone could determine the monetary value of the platform these players are provided by the NCAA and their school to make a name for themselves and further their careers, particularly the ones who are the best at what they do. That's worth millions in and of itself. So STFU.
If you support this shit you need to DIAFF. You are supporting the end of CFB as we know it.
Northwestern football players are trying to start a labor union. The poor players aren't getting paid to play. The coaches get paid and they don't. The schools are making money by selling their jerseys. Sniff, sniff. Ignore the fact that you get a free education, a free platform to showcase your skills, fame and a shot at the NFL if you're a good enough player. None of that is worth anything, right? It would be nice if someone could determine the monetary value of the platform these players are provided by the NCAA and their school to make a name for themselves and further their careers, particularly the ones who are the best at what they do. That's worth millions in and of itself. So STFU.
If you support this shit you need to DIAFF. You are supporting the end of CFB as we know it.
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Seems easy, pay the players a bit but pull their scholarships.
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Mods? Not only was this story posted to start another thread but this guy is a fucking idiot.
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You're the poster girl for pay the players on the board. Discussing your idiotic viewpoint on this issue deserves another thread. 2 threads on the subject is far less than the 223 threads about climate change that have been started to refute your views.CollegeDoog said:Mods? Not only was this story posted to start another thread but this guy is a fucking idiot.
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I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
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Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
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They don't need to be paid. What they need is a fund set up to pay for their medical bills in 30 years.
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Really, I know a guy with constant back pain who played 25 years ago.
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This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps. -
Sounds like a big Mitt supporter.CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
The players should call bullshit on this travesty and quit.
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I thought you knew shit about economics.MikeDamone said:
Sounds like a big Mitt supporter.CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
The players should call bullshit on this travesty and quit.
It's been a rough day for Damone. -
Players should be paid. . .but no more than $15.00 an hour. -
Pull scholarships,
Charge all players an appearance fee
Credit back to players revenues above expenses including general university overhead and rights fees. -
That would be a cut in pay. What's up with that?tracker said:
Players should be paid. . .but no more than $15.00 an hour.
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As Harvey said, you've been out over your skis for a while now.CollegeDoog said:
I thought you knew shit about economics.MikeDamone said:
Sounds like a big Mitt supporter.CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
The players should call bullshit on this travesty and quit.
It's been a rough day for Damone.
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* How do fake classes in sociology prepare you any less better to step out into the world than reel classes on gender in antiquity?CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
* Oh, the players generate all the publicity. Alright. Then lets let the players go play by themselves on public football fields without the bright lights, the marketing machine, etc. behind them backing them up and see how much publicity they generate. Sure they generate a good portion of the publicity in CFB games, but without the framework of the schools and the NCAA behind them, they would be nothing.
* Again, with your basketball point. The players get national exposure. Those that end up making it to the NBA get there by having their talents exposed, which leads to big paychecks later on down the road. HTH. People who play college football and basketball are essentially enjoying 2 free educations. The 1st is the typical academic education. The second is the sports education. They are learning, and honing their skills for the NFL/NBA while not paying a dime to attain/improve skills they otherwise would not have the opportunity of attaining/utilizing.
* When it comes to college football I'm not very ideological. I want to see good games with good athletes. I already believe athletes are getting more than their fair share out of the deal in the form of an education, a platform to showcase their talents (which allows them to improve their future earnings potential), fame (if they're into that), and the opportunity to improve their skills by playing with and against the best athletes out there. The players at Northwestern think the NCAA is a dictatorship. Wrong. You can't leave a dictatorship. If Northwestern believes the NCAA is a dictatorship then they need to LEAVE. Personally I think the NCAA should kick them the fuck out before this little revolution spreads. The ideas you espouse will result in an NFL farm league and watered down crappy football. No thanks.
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oregonblitzkrieg said:
* How do fake classes in sociology prepare you any less better to step out into the world than reel classes on gender in antiquity?CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
What the fuck? Maybe if they didn't get pushed through bullshit majors. They wouldn't get paid for being students though. My point conveyed how the education of revenue generating athletes is poor, and the school plays a significant part in that.
* Oh, the players generate all the publicity. Alright. Then lets let the players go play by themselves on public football fields without the bright lights, the marketing machine, etc. behind them backing them up and see how much publicity they generate. Sure they generate a good portion of the publicity in CFB games, but without the framework of the schools and the NCAA behind them, they would be nothing.
Ok. So they don't at least deserve a share for their part? Something they don't get now. Let them license their names and share part of the enormous TV revenue that is generated by us watching THEM.
* Again, with your basketball point. The players get national exposure. Those that end up making it to the NBA get there by having their talents exposed, which leads to big paychecks later on down the road. HTH. People who play college football and basketball are essentially enjoying 2 free educations. The 1st is the typical academic education. The second is the sports education. They are learning, and honing their skills for the NFL/NBA while not paying a dime to attain/improve skills they otherwise would not have the opportunity of attaining/utilizing.
The 3% of them... cmon man. You have to realize how terrible of an argument that is. What about the players who get the big paychecks but have terrible money management skills?
"A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years."
Letting the players earn money in college might help them actually learn how to manage their money when become a professional.
* When it comes to college football I'm not very ideological. I want to see good games with good athletes. I already believe athletes are getting more than their fair share out of the deal in the form of an education, a platform to showcase their talents (which allows them to improve their future earnings potential), fame (if they're into that), and the opportunity to improve their skills by playing with and against the best athletes out there. The players at Northwestern think the NCAA is a dictatorship. Wrong. You can't leave a dictatorship. If Northwestern believes the NCAA is a dictatorship then they need to LEAVE. Personally I think the NCAA should kick them the fuck out before this little revolution spreads. The ideas you espouse will result in an NFL farm league and watered down crappy football. No thanks.
Players unionizing might actually be the best thing to shield the NCAA from the fallout of the Ed O'bannon lawsuit.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-29/ncaa-should-be-begging-for-a-union.html -
http://assets.usw.org/ncpa/pdfs/6-Billion-Heist-Study_Full.pdf
Granted it's NCPA supported, but these are interesting findings.
There will never be a way for players to gain full fair market value outlined here but it shows just how ridiculous the NCAA is. There needs to be a much better balance. -
Fucking pay me already for paying to watch an amateur sporting event.
See what I did there? -
Why don't you stop watching college football?CollegeDoog said:http://assets.usw.org/ncpa/pdfs/6-Billion-Heist-Study_Full.pdf
Granted it's NCPA supported, but these are interesting findings.
There will never be a way for players to gain full fair market value outlined here but it shows just how ridiculous the NCAA is. There needs to be a much better balance. -
I don't watch it for the amateurism. I watch it for the entertainment. I'm sure you do to.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you stop watching college football?CollegeDoog said:http://assets.usw.org/ncpa/pdfs/6-Billion-Heist-Study_Full.pdf
Granted it's NCPA supported, but these are interesting findings.
There will never be a way for players to gain full fair market value outlined here but it shows just how ridiculous the NCAA is. There needs to be a much better balance.
There is no component of amateurism in it that holds my interest. I just want to watch Washington win. -
"What the fuck? Maybe if they didn't get pushed through bullshit majors. They wouldn't get paid for being students though. My point conveyed how the education of revenue generating athletes is poor, and the school plays a significant part in that."CollegeDoog said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
* How do fake classes in sociology prepare you any less better to step out into the world than reel classes on gender in antiquity?CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
What the fuck? Maybe if they didn't get pushed through bullshit majors. They wouldn't get paid for being students though. My point conveyed how the education of revenue generating athletes is poor, and the school plays a significant part in that.
* Oh, the players generate all the publicity. Alright. Then lets let the players go play by themselves on public football fields without the bright lights, the marketing machine, etc. behind them backing them up and see how much publicity they generate. Sure they generate a good portion of the publicity in CFB games, but without the framework of the schools and the NCAA behind them, they would be nothing.
Ok. So they don't at least deserve a share for their part? Something they don't get now. Let them license their names and share part of the enormous TV revenue that is generated by us watching THEM.
* Again, with your basketball point. The players get national exposure. Those that end up making it to the NBA get there by having their talents exposed, which leads to big paychecks later on down the road. HTH. People who play college football and basketball are essentially enjoying 2 free educations. The 1st is the typical academic education. The second is the sports education. They are learning, and honing their skills for the NFL/NBA while not paying a dime to attain/improve skills they otherwise would not have the opportunity of attaining/utilizing.
The 3% of them... cmon man. You have to realize how terrible of an argument that is. What about the players who get the big paychecks but have terrible money management skills?
"A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years."
Letting the players earn money in college might help them actually learn how to manage their money when become a professional.
* When it comes to college football I'm not very ideological. I want to see good games with good athletes. I already believe athletes are getting more than their fair share out of the deal in the form of an education, a platform to showcase their talents (which allows them to improve their future earnings potential), fame (if they're into that), and the opportunity to improve their skills by playing with and against the best athletes out there. The players at Northwestern think the NCAA is a dictatorship. Wrong. You can't leave a dictatorship. If Northwestern believes the NCAA is a dictatorship then they need to LEAVE. Personally I think the NCAA should kick them the fuck out before this little revolution spreads. The ideas you espouse will result in an NFL farm league and watered down crappy football. No thanks.
Players unionizing might actually be the best thing to shield the NCAA from the fallout of the Ed O'bannon lawsuit.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-29/ncaa-should-be-begging-for-a-union.html
I doubt if Ifo Ekpre Olomu is getting pushed through a bullshit major. He's staying another year to get his degree. Some athletes do get pushed through a bullshit major like you say. Anyway, most schools sell bullshit degrees, and most degrees are in fact bullshit. But they are pieces of paper that you need to get certain jobs, and they aren't free. The athlete that comes to the school on an athletic scholarship is mainly there for his athletic education. He's getting schooled in what it takes to become a CFB player and beyond. His instructors are highly paid coaches, the best in the business. He enjoys world class facilities while getting his athletic education.
"Ok. So they don't at least deserve a share for their part? Something they don't get now. Let them license their names and share part of the enormous TV revenue that is generated by us watching THEM."
An academic education. Free sports education. Free publicity. A world class platform of exposure to increase their future earnings potential. Fame. They're 'licensing their name' through this process. They enjoy the benefits of that process when they join the NFL.
"The 3% of them... cmon man. You have to realize how terrible of an argument that is. What about the players who get the big paychecks but have terrible money management skills?
A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years.
Letting the players earn money in college might help them actually learn how to manage their money when become a professional."
Cry me a river. If you have poor money management skills take Money Management 101as one of your course electives. If you face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within 2 years of leaving the NFL then you are a dumbass and you deserve it. You should have several million in the bank and not live beyond your means like you think you're the sultan of Arabia.
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You again fail to realize how few athletes actually capitalize on exposure and the "athletic education" beyond college. It's embarrassing, and it's why your argument sucks.oregonblitzkrieg said:
"What the fuck? Maybe if they didn't get pushed through bullshit majors. They wouldn't get paid for being students though. My point conveyed how the education of revenue generating athletes is poor, and the school plays a significant part in that."CollegeDoog said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
* How do fake classes in sociology prepare you any less better to step out into the world than reel classes on gender in antiquity?CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
What the fuck? Maybe if they didn't get pushed through bullshit majors. They wouldn't get paid for being students though. My point conveyed how the education of revenue generating athletes is poor, and the school plays a significant part in that.
* Oh, the players generate all the publicity. Alright. Then lets let the players go play by themselves on public football fields without the bright lights, the marketing machine, etc. behind them backing them up and see how much publicity they generate. Sure they generate a good portion of the publicity in CFB games, but without the framework of the schools and the NCAA behind them, they would be nothing.
Ok. So they don't at least deserve a share for their part? Something they don't get now. Let them license their names and share part of the enormous TV revenue that is generated by us watching THEM.
* Again, with your basketball point. The players get national exposure. Those that end up making it to the NBA get there by having their talents exposed, which leads to big paychecks later on down the road. HTH. People who play college football and basketball are essentially enjoying 2 free educations. The 1st is the typical academic education. The second is the sports education. They are learning, and honing their skills for the NFL/NBA while not paying a dime to attain/improve skills they otherwise would not have the opportunity of attaining/utilizing.
The 3% of them... cmon man. You have to realize how terrible of an argument that is. What about the players who get the big paychecks but have terrible money management skills?
"A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years."
Letting the players earn money in college might help them actually learn how to manage their money when become a professional.
* When it comes to college football I'm not very ideological. I want to see good games with good athletes. I already believe athletes are getting more than their fair share out of the deal in the form of an education, a platform to showcase their talents (which allows them to improve their future earnings potential), fame (if they're into that), and the opportunity to improve their skills by playing with and against the best athletes out there. The players at Northwestern think the NCAA is a dictatorship. Wrong. You can't leave a dictatorship. If Northwestern believes the NCAA is a dictatorship then they need to LEAVE. Personally I think the NCAA should kick them the fuck out before this little revolution spreads. The ideas you espouse will result in an NFL farm league and watered down crappy football. No thanks.
Players unionizing might actually be the best thing to shield the NCAA from the fallout of the Ed O'bannon lawsuit.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-29/ncaa-should-be-begging-for-a-union.html
I doubt if Ifo Ekpre Olomu is getting pushed through a bullshit major. He's staying another year to get his degree. Some athletes do get pushed through a bullshit major like you say. Anyway, most schools sell bullshit degrees, and most degrees are in fact bullshit. But they are pieces of paper that you need to get certain jobs, and they aren't free. The athlete that comes to the school on an athletic scholarship is mainly there for his athletic education. He's getting schooled in what it takes to become a CFB player and beyond. His instructors are highly paid coaches, the best in the business. He enjoys world class facilities while getting his athletic education.
"Ok. So they don't at least deserve a share for their part? Something they don't get now. Let them license their names and share part of the enormous TV revenue that is generated by us watching THEM."
An academic education. Free sports education. Free publicity. A world class platform of exposure to increase their future earnings potential. Fame. They're 'licensing their name' through this process. They enjoy the benefits of that process when they join the NFL.
"The 3% of them... cmon man. You have to realize how terrible of an argument that is. What about the players who get the big paychecks but have terrible money management skills?
A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years.
Letting the players earn money in college might help them actually learn how to manage their money when become a professional."
Cry me a river. If you have poor money management skills take Money Management 101as one of your course electives. If you face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within 2 years of leaving the NFL then you are a dumbass and you deserve it. You should have several million in the bank and not live beyond your means like you think you're the sultan of Arabia. -
I paid over $100k in tuition to receive a degree in college.
Nobody is naive enough to believe doing so would automatically place me in a position to work in the field of interest after graduation.
Your argument is weak and this whole union and paying student-athletes is bullshit.
If this ever happens, I am done donating to the athletic department and supporting its programs as an alumnus. -
And no one believes the college athletes expect that either. 3% go pro.HuskyHalfBrain said:I paid over $100k in tuition to receive a degree in college.
Nobody is naive enough to believe doing so would automatically place me in a position to work in the field of interest after graduation.
Your argument is weak and this whole union and paying student-athletes is bullshit.
If this ever happens, I am done donating to the athletic department and supporting its programs as an alumnus.
It's about being paid the market value (or at least closer to the market value) than they currently are, NOW. It's an 8 billion dollar industry of which they are a huge catalyst, and of which they receive a miniscule share under the guise of amateurism.
These are capitalistic, free market ideas. -
True, they don't all get to capitalize on the exposure from their athletic education beyond college, but they get a shot at it. Their foot is in the door. Those that entered school on an athletic scholarship but don't have what it takes to turn pro will still have their academic education fully paid for. For all the others, no one is forcing them to play sports. Yes the NCAA and the schools are making money off of them, but they can refuse to play if they don't like it. When you start paying football players you will need to start paying basketball players. Then you will need to pay your baseball players, your gymnasts and the guys on your chess team, even if they suck ass. Surely you can see where this leads to. The universities are not going to pay their chess players. It is partly for this reason that they are not going to pay their football players. Just admit it. You want to see an NFL farm league system replace the current system. You need to think this one all the way through to its conclusion.CollegeDoog said:
You again fail to realize how few athletes actually capitalize on exposure and the "athletic education" beyond college. It's embarrassing, and it's why your argument sucks.oregonblitzkrieg said:
"What the fuck? Maybe if they didn't get pushed through bullshit majors. They wouldn't get paid for being students though. My point conveyed how the education of revenue generating athletes is poor, and the school plays a significant part in that."CollegeDoog said:oregonblitzkrieg said:
* How do fake classes in sociology prepare you any less better to step out into the world than reel classes on gender in antiquity?CollegeDoog said:
This is where your argument falls apart.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Free education and publicity is a form of pay. It reaps dollars later on down the road.ApostleofGrief said:I don't know. Times change. There is a tremendous amount of money in cfb, but it is not going to the people playing the game.
It's not an education close to the value of the scholarship because schools subvert the entire process. UNC got caught creating fake classes for athletes. The sociology majors most of these kids are pushed through are worthless. Half of them are semi-literate.
The publicity point is oh so fucking stupd. Who generates the publicity? The players. Where does the money go? The NCAA and its member schools. This trickles down to the administrators and coaches.
For instance, the NCAA has. 770 million dollar deal with CBS to broadcast college basketball for just 3 weekends in March. Players see 0 of that revenue.
Most of them (97%) won't go pro so what the fuck is the value of that publicity when they don't see any money from it.
I thought you were the guy who hated corporate greed and the exploit of a work force. Revenue generating athletes are not receiving anything close to their actual value in a free market.
Hope this helps.
What the fuck? Maybe if they didn't get pushed through bullshit majors. They wouldn't get paid for being students though. My point conveyed how the education of revenue generating athletes is poor, and the school plays a significant part in that.
* Oh, the players generate all the publicity. Alright. Then lets let the players go play by themselves on public football fields without the bright lights, the marketing machine, etc. behind them backing them up and see how much publicity they generate. Sure they generate a good portion of the publicity in CFB games, but without the framework of the schools and the NCAA behind them, they would be nothing.
Ok. So they don't at least deserve a share for their part? Something they don't get now. Let them license their names and share part of the enormous TV revenue that is generated by us watching THEM.
* Again, with your basketball point. The players get national exposure. Those that end up making it to the NBA get there by having their talents exposed, which leads to big paychecks later on down the road. HTH. People who play college football and basketball are essentially enjoying 2 free educations. The 1st is the typical academic education. The second is the sports education. They are learning, and honing their skills for the NFL/NBA while not paying a dime to attain/improve skills they otherwise would not have the opportunity of attaining/utilizing.
The 3% of them... cmon man. You have to realize how terrible of an argument that is. What about the players who get the big paychecks but have terrible money management skills?
"A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years."
Letting the players earn money in college might help them actually learn how to manage their money when become a professional.
* When it comes to college football I'm not very ideological. I want to see good games with good athletes. I already believe athletes are getting more than their fair share out of the deal in the form of an education, a platform to showcase their talents (which allows them to improve their future earnings potential), fame (if they're into that), and the opportunity to improve their skills by playing with and against the best athletes out there. The players at Northwestern think the NCAA is a dictatorship. Wrong. You can't leave a dictatorship. If Northwestern believes the NCAA is a dictatorship then they need to LEAVE. Personally I think the NCAA should kick them the fuck out before this little revolution spreads. The ideas you espouse will result in an NFL farm league and watered down crappy football. No thanks.
Players unionizing might actually be the best thing to shield the NCAA from the fallout of the Ed O'bannon lawsuit.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-29/ncaa-should-be-begging-for-a-union.html
I doubt if Ifo Ekpre Olomu is getting pushed through a bullshit major. He's staying another year to get his degree. Some athletes do get pushed through a bullshit major like you say. Anyway, most schools sell bullshit degrees, and most degrees are in fact bullshit. But they are pieces of paper that you need to get certain jobs, and they aren't free. The athlete that comes to the school on an athletic scholarship is mainly there for his athletic education. He's getting schooled in what it takes to become a CFB player and beyond. His instructors are highly paid coaches, the best in the business. He enjoys world class facilities while getting his athletic education.
"Ok. So they don't at least deserve a share for their part? Something they don't get now. Let them license their names and share part of the enormous TV revenue that is generated by us watching THEM."
An academic education. Free sports education. Free publicity. A world class platform of exposure to increase their future earnings potential. Fame. They're 'licensing their name' through this process. They enjoy the benefits of that process when they join the NFL.
"The 3% of them... cmon man. You have to realize how terrible of an argument that is. What about the players who get the big paychecks but have terrible money management skills?
A Sports Illustrated article reports the grim statistics -- 78 percent of NFL players face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within just two years of leaving the game and 60 percent of NBA players face the same dire results in five years.
Letting the players earn money in college might help them actually learn how to manage their money when become a professional."
Cry me a river. If you have poor money management skills take Money Management 101as one of your course electives. If you face bankruptcy or serious financial stress within 2 years of leaving the NFL then you are a dumbass and you deserve it. You should have several million in the bank and not live beyond your means like you think you're the sultan of Arabia. -
Then shut the fuck up and watchCollegeDoog said:
I don't watch it for the amateurism. I watch it for the entertainment. I'm sure you do to.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you stop watching college football?CollegeDoog said:http://assets.usw.org/ncpa/pdfs/6-Billion-Heist-Study_Full.pdf
Granted it's NCPA supported, but these are interesting findings.
There will never be a way for players to gain full fair market value outlined here but it shows just how ridiculous the NCAA is. There needs to be a much better balance.
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Sure, I'm all for it if these student-athletes are going to pay for their own tuition, facilities and equipment. Hell, they can go ahead and pay their coaches salaries and its staff working at the athletic department.
Oh, and I would like to get paid for supporting them at an amateur sporting-event where I have to pay for an access and spend hours of my time when I could labor for my own profit.
Further, it's the fans' support that brought them large TV contracts and profit off of products, not from student-athletes themselves. There wouldn't be revenues if it weren't for the fans.
Just ask those who represented their schools prior to TV era.
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Missing points right and left I see.RaceBannon said:
Then shut the fuck up and watchCollegeDoog said:
I don't watch it for the amateurism. I watch it for the entertainment. I'm sure you do to.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you stop watching college football?CollegeDoog said:http://assets.usw.org/ncpa/pdfs/6-Billion-Heist-Study_Full.pdf
Granted it's NCPA supported, but these are interesting findings.
There will never be a way for players to gain full fair market value outlined here but it shows just how ridiculous the NCAA is. There needs to be a much better balance.
There is no component of amateurism in it that holds my interest. I just want to watch Washington win.
If the NCAA cares about its long term viability it will make these changes.
I also care about poor people who are misleadingly sold the premise of the student athlete. They should make what they're actually worth for the time being, or at least closer to it. And if they take advantage of their education then that's a bonus. Most of them don't currently anyway, and the schools share a lot of blame in that.
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Collegedoog can't appreciate the concept of a free education until he graduates and gains some perspective. He is too busy thinking of talking points for his fucktarded sociology class.
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You mean an "education".PurpleJ said:Collegedoog can't appreciate the concept of a free education until he graduates and gains some perspective. He is too busy thinking of talking points for his fucktarded sociology class.
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