Death By Loneliness

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.

If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.

Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.

Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.

Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.

If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.

Do think that importing millions of low skilled legal and illegal immigrants has any negative impact on the wages being paid in low skill jobs?

Truck driving isn't exactly a high skill job and right now you have companies begging for truck drivers. Will you get rich driving a truck? No, but you can earn a middle class income especially when you combine that income with the income of working spouse. You definitely won't be living in poverty.

Then trucking companies have a healthy incentive to establish training programs for idle and able bodied people. Maybe they’ve already started.

As long as there are people like you who make excuses for deadbeats, and who create programs that allow the parasites to feed themselves without working you're going to have able bodied people who refuse to work.

Point still stands. You can get a job driving a truck or some similar low skilled job and you will not be living in poverty. To claim that

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.

If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.

Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.

Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.

Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.

If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.

Do think that importing millions of low skilled legal and illegal immigrants has any negative impact on the wages being paid in low skill jobs?

Truck driving isn't exactly a high skill job and right now you have companies begging for truck drivers. Will you get rich driving a truck? No, but you can earn a middle class income especially when you combine that income with the income of working spouse. You definitely won't be living in poverty.

Then trucking companies have a healthy incentive to establish training programs for idle and able bodied people. Maybe they’ve already started.

As long as there are people like you who make excuses for deadbeats, and who create programs that allow the parasites to feed themselves without working you're going to have able bodied people who refuse to work.

Point still stands. You can get a job driving a truck or some similar low skilled job and you will not be living in poverty. To claim that

You just said truck driving can make you middle class. Most people aren’t sitting in idle poverty in lieu of working to earn $70-80k.

There are many people who just don't want to work. They don't feel the need because they can survive just fine on disability and the public teat. Why work when you can smoke dope and play video games all day and you still are able to feed yourself.

And I said that truck driving job along with a spouse with a similarly skilled job will provide for a middle class income. The choice isn't between working and living in poverty and not working and living in poverty. To claim that these people would still be living in poverty even if they were working is bullshit.

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.

If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.

Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.

Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.

Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.

If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.

Do think that importing millions of low skilled legal and illegal immigrants has any negative impact on the wages being paid in low skill jobs?

Truck driving isn't exactly a high skill job and right now you have companies begging for truck drivers. Will you get rich driving a truck? No, but you can earn a middle class income especially when you combine that income with the income of working spouse. You definitely won't be living in poverty.

Then trucking companies have a healthy incentive to establish training programs for idle and able bodied people. Maybe they’ve already started.

As long as there are people like you who make excuses for deadbeats, and who create programs that allow the parasites to feed themselves without working you're going to have able bodied people who refuse to work.

Point still stands. You can get a job driving a truck or some similar low skilled job and you will not be living in poverty. To claim that

You just said truck driving can make you middle class. Most people aren’t sitting in idle poverty in lieu of working to earn $70-80k.

There are many people who just don't want to work. They don't feel the need because they can survive just fine on disability and the public teat. Why work when you can smoke dope and play video games all day and you still are able to feed yourself.

And I said that truck driving job along with a spouse with a similarly skilled job will provide for a middle class income. The choice isn't between working and living in poverty and not working and living in poverty. To claim that these people would still be living in poverty even if they were working is bullshit.

Lots of working people live in poverty. You must be putting us on with this act of yours.

Yeah, and most likely because they've had kids out of wedlock. Very easy to not live in poverty in America. Don't drop out of high school. Don't have kids unless you're married, once you're married stay married and get a job and keep it and don't quit it until you find another job. Don't abuse drugs and alcohol and statistically the likelihood that you'll be living in poverty in America is very small.

What impact on wages does your support for the importation of millions of illegal and legal immigrants have O'Keefed?

Run and hide.

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

HHusky said:

SFGbob said:

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.

If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.

Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.

Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.

Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.

If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.

Do think that importing millions of low skilled legal and illegal immigrants has any negative impact on the wages being paid in low skill jobs?

Truck driving isn't exactly a high skill job and right now you have companies begging for truck drivers. Will you get rich driving a truck? No, but you can earn a middle class income especially when you combine that income with the income of working spouse. You definitely won't be living in poverty.

Then trucking companies have a healthy incentive to establish training programs for idle and able bodied people. Maybe they’ve already started.

As long as there are people like you who make excuses for deadbeats, and who create programs that allow the parasites to feed themselves without working you're going to have able bodied people who refuse to work.

Point still stands. You can get a job driving a truck or some similar low skilled job and you will not be living in poverty. To claim that

You just said truck driving can make you middle class. Most people aren’t sitting in idle poverty in lieu of working to earn $70-80k.

There are many people who just don't want to work. They don't feel the need because they can survive just fine on disability and the public teat. Why work when you can smoke dope and play video games all day and you still are able to feed yourself.

And I said that truck driving job along with a spouse with a similarly skilled job will provide for a middle class income. The choice isn't between working and living in poverty and not working and living in poverty. To claim that these people would still be living in poverty even if they were working is bullshit.

Lots of working people live in poverty. You must be putting us on with this act of yours.

Yeah, and most likely because they've had kids out of wedlock. Very easy to not live in poverty in America. Don't drop out of high school. Don't have kids unless you're married, once you're married stay married and get a job and keep it and don't quit it until you find another job. Don't abuse drugs and alcohol and statistically the likelihood that you'll be living in poverty in America is very small.

What impact on wages does your support for the importation of millions of illegal and legal immigrants have O'Keefed?

Run and hide.

But your claim was that good paying positions are going begging because of the dole. Run and hide indeed.

Not quite what I said my strawman ass fucking Kunt of a friend. And of course you dodged the question I put you just like the fucking Kunt you've always been.

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.

If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.

Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.

Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.

Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.

If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.

If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.

Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.

Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.

Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake SuperiorGitche Gumee.

If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.

Corrected for the red man @Swaye