Death By Loneliness
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
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People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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There's a lot of factors at play. Moore's Law is a big one. Capital would never have gotten the upper hand over labor without it.HardlyClothed said:
Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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Which is why the unemployment rate is such an overrated stat.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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REAGAN!!!1!!!HardlyClothed said:
Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
Hollowed out. OK!
Jobs are available for the people you describe. But it’s a lot easier to become a victim and say there are no good paying jobs for those with a high school education.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university -
YellowSnow said:
Which is why the unemployment rate is such an overrated stat when there is a GOP president.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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No wonder the Hondo Bros. are cranky!YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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Wait, I thought Trump made America great again and everyone that wanted jobs had them.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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If they aren't looking for work do they want a job?2001400ex said:
Wait, I thought Trump made America great again and everyone that wanted jobs had them.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
Hondo fucking stupid -
This sets up for a good @RaceBannon commentary.
One the one hand, Race is a man of capital and rugged individualism.
On the other, he is a strong advocate of labor. It was the Democratic party's abandonment of labor that led to Race's current loathing of the left-wing party. And Race has shown himself to have some leanings with the labor protectionist movement associated with neo-populism.
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Apparently it's up to the GOP president to motivate the lazy SOBs infesting the US of A.RaceBannon said:
If they aren't looking for work do they want a job?2001400ex said:
Wait, I thought Trump made America great again and everyone that wanted jobs had them.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
Hondo fucking stupid -
There are many reasons but the ability to still be able to feed yourself and not work plays big factor.HardlyClothed said:
Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
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Dumbest mother fucker I've ever encountered on a message board. And this is the very same dipshit who's shtick is to claim the other person has poor reading comprehension.2001400ex said:
Wait, I thought Trump made America great again and everyone that wanted jobs had them.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html -
Like so many they don't want jobs when they don't have to move to get paid.2001400ex said:
Wait, I thought Trump made America great again and everyone that wanted jobs had them.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html -
Also, the decline of the family and the number of people who aren't married and do not have a family they need to take care of contributes to the number of people who do not work.
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Wait. The Shedtards here think NPR is fake newz.MikeDamone said:
REAGAN!!!1!!!HardlyClothed said:
Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
Hollowed out. OK!
Jobs are available for the people you describe. But it’s a lot easier to become a victim and say there are no good paying jobs for those with a high school education.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university -
PatheticBennyBeaver said:
Wait. The Shedtards here think NPR is fake newz.MikeDamone said:
REAGAN!!!1!!!HardlyClothed said:
Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
Hollowed out. OK!
Jobs are available for the people you describe. But it’s a lot easier to become a victim and say there are no good paying jobs for those with a high school education.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university -
Are you knew hear? Maybe you should lurk around some and PM @IrishDawg22SFGbob said:
Dumbest mother fucker I've ever encountered on a message board. And this is the very same dipshit who's shtick is to claim the other person has poor reading comprehension.2001400ex said:
Wait, I thought Trump made America great again and everyone that wanted jobs had them.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html -
I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.
If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.
Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything. -
Clockwork.SFGbob said:
PatheticBennyBeaver said:
Wait. The Shedtards here think NPR is fake newz.MikeDamone said:
REAGAN!!!1!!!HardlyClothed said:
Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
Hollowed out. OK!
Jobs are available for the people you describe. But it’s a lot easier to become a victim and say there are no good paying jobs for those with a high school education.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university -
Did I say that?RaceBannon said:YellowSnow said:
Which is why the unemployment rate is such an overrated stat when there is a GOP president.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html -
Easier to not work, and more avenues for distraction then ever before. Video games, movies, the internet. As the article stated they are spending thousands of hours in front of a screen, they just aren't working.creepycoug said:I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.
If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.
Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything. -
Thud.BennyBeaver said:
Wait. The Shedtards here think NPR is fake newz.MikeDamone said:
REAGAN!!!1!!!HardlyClothed said:
Bullshit blaming it on the welfare state which has been hollowed out since Reagan took office. Deindustrializtion has destroyed the good paying, often union jobs available to those with HS educations. It’s a result of pro-corporate/anti-labor economic ideology adopted by both parties.SFGbob said:
People need work and they need to feel they have a sense of community and family. One of the worst things you can do to people is take away their need to work. The number of able-bodied males who aren't in the labor force and aren't looking for work are at an all time high. The decline of the family and the welfare state have removed the desire and the need to work for many. This is why ideas like a guaranteed income are insane.YellowSnow said:Moreover, while the American unemployment rate is historically low, this antiquated index fails to account for individuals who are not employed but also not looking for work. Since 2000, for every working-age American male who is unemployed and looking for work, there are another three men who are “idle,” not looking for work. On average “idle Americans” spend 2,000 hours per year in front of a screen — the equivalent of a full time job. Nearly half of this population takes daily pain medication and three-fifths receives disability benefits, providing a potentially long-term alternative to paid employment. Most telling, however, is that these individuals report very low levels of emotional well-being, and say they derive little meaning from their daily activities. With a waning sense of identity and purpose, they frequently fall victim to drug addiction and suicide.
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2019/05/06/death_by_loneliness_111185.html
Hollowed out. OK!
Jobs are available for the people you describe. But it’s a lot easier to become a victim and say there are no good paying jobs for those with a high school education.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/25/605092520/high-paying-trade-jobs-sit-empty-while-high-school-grads-line-up-for-university -
Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.creepycoug said:I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.
If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.
Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.
Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.
If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter. -
Do think that importing millions of low skilled legal and illegal immigrants has any negative impact on the wages being paid in low skill jobs?YellowSnow said:
Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.creepycoug said:I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.
If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.
Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.
Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.
If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.
Truck driving isn't exactly a high skill job and right now you have companies begging for truck drivers. Will you get rich driving a truck? No, but you can earn a middle class income especially when you combine that income with the income of working spouse. You definitely won't be living in poverty. -
Then trucking companies have a healthy incentive to establish training programs for idle and able bodied people. Maybe they’ve already started.SFGbob said:
Do think that importing millions of low skilled legal and illegal immigrants has any negative impact on the wages being paid in low skill jobs?YellowSnow said:
Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.creepycoug said:I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.
If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.
Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.
Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.
If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.
Truck driving isn't exactly a high skill job and right now you have companies begging for truck drivers. Will you get rich driving a truck? No, but you can earn a middle class income especially when you combine that income with the income of working spouse. You definitely won't be living in poverty. -
Take this shit to the 'Shoppe where it belongs!!!!YellowSnow said:
Back in the 1960's you could be a HS drop out and shovel coal into a furnace at a steel mill in Indiana or PA and buy a house and have wife that didn't work with 2 kids. That kind of existence just isn't possible anymore.creepycoug said:I think it's hard to argue that any kind of a soft-landing will lead to more people "opting out" of working. If it's work or starve, or at least lead a miserable existence, it's amazing how much that can do inspire people to get off their asses.
If someone has a fundamental health (mental or physical) problem that legitimately keeps them from working, that's one thing ... if it's bona fide.
Otherwise, while it's probably true that there are fewer good paying labor jerbs available (I don't actually know that to be true but it sounds good), the fact that it's easier to not work today than it was 50 years ago is probably not helping anything.
Fun Fact: US Steel Production today is more than in 1970, yet in that year the industry employed 600,000 and today around 130,000. Robots + much of the steel today is recycled from old building, rather than coming as raw ore on the Edmond Fitzgerald from Lake Superior.
If you give folks the option between working poverty and idle poverty, they are usually going to chose the latter.
