Today in history
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Our founders fought over taxation and freedom. We could power L.A. generating it from their spinning copses!
26 years ago brave Federal Law Enforcement Officers in armored vehicles chose
Patriot's Day to burn 17 children and most of their parents alive in a
church near Waco, Texas.
You've probably never seen these names:
Chanel Andrade, 1
Daylan Lord Gent, 3
Paiges Gent, 2
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2
Cyrus Howell, 8
Star Howell, 6
Serenity Sea Jones, 4
Chica Jones, 1
Little One Jones, 1
(They were twins)
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isaiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 8
Abigail Martinez, 11
Startle Summers, 1
Hollywood Sylvia, 2
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Melisa Morrison, 8
Newborns
Summers & Little,
(Born into the flames
as their mothers died)
How did we get to our current situation.
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SledogSledog said:244 years ago the revolution was kicking off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/revere-and-dawes-ride
Our founders fought over taxation and freedom. We could power L.A. generating it from their spinning copses!
26 years ago brave Federal Law Enforcement Officers in armored vehicles chose
Patriot's Day to burn 17 children and most of their parents alive in a
church near Waco, Texas.
You've probably never seen these names:
Chanel Andrade, 1
Daylan Lord Gent, 3
Paiges Gent, 2
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2
Cyrus Howell, 8
Star Howell, 6
Serenity Sea Jones, 4
Chica Jones, 1
Little One Jones, 1
(They were twins)
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isaiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 8
Abigail Martinez, 11
Startle Summers, 1
Hollywood Sylvia, 2
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Melisa Morrison, 8
Newborns
Summers & Little,
(Born into the flames
as their mothers died)
How did we get to our current situation.
GayBob
TurdbufferFS
Lenny from west Linn
Dude61
HHunterQuestionsHisSexuality
GrundleDoesntCareEitherWay
Branch Banninions of course.
All very familiar names in the tug
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Defending Koresh is a bad look.Sledog said:244 years ago the revolution was kicking off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/revere-and-dawes-ride
Our founders fought over taxation and freedom. We could power L.A. generating it from their spinning copses!
26 years ago brave Federal Law Enforcement Officers in armored vehicles chose
Patriot's Day to burn 17 children and most of their parents alive in a
church near Waco, Texas.
You've probably never seen these names:
Chanel Andrade, 1
Daylan Lord Gent, 3
Paiges Gent, 2
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2
Cyrus Howell, 8
Star Howell, 6
Serenity Sea Jones, 4
Chica Jones, 1
Little One Jones, 1
(They were twins)
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isaiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 8
Abigail Martinez, 11
Startle Summers, 1
Hollywood Sylvia, 2
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Melisa Morrison, 8
Newborns
Summers & Little,
(Born into the flames
as their mothers died)
How did we get to our current situation.
Nut job. Alleged child abuser (that NEVER happens in cults living in guarded encampments).
The siege took two MONTHS to play out. Is your contention there was no probable cause to search the compound? I'm all for privacy but I tend to assume that the authorities have reason to mount up a charge on a group led by a screw ball like Koresh.
You weren't there; I wasn't there. We're betting. My bet is on Koresh and his fellow crazies killing themselves and setting the place on fire.
I am very confident though that if this happened under a R Admin's watch you'd be singing your "if you don't do anything g wrong you have nothing to hide" Cooper song and dance." -
According to docs that have come out the original raid was botched badly leading to the stand off
And Koresh was crazy as a loon and a child abuser and other really bad cult leader shit. 81% chance he lit the fuse
They could have picked him up in town anytime they wanted. That's a part of what was a real tragedy for the kids
ATF wanted to flex some muscle because it was budget time so they went high profile and got their asses kicked. Once agents went down there was no turning back -
Defending Koresh is bad, but defending the methods the ATF used to try and arrest Koresh, when the local Sheriff had said that Koresh routinely traveled into town and could have been taken there without incident, also looks bad. Koresh was a nut but there were better ways to take him into custody that wouldn't have endangered the kids.creepycoug said:
Defending Koresh is a bad look.Sledog said:244 years ago the revolution was kicking off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/revere-and-dawes-ride
Our founders fought over taxation and freedom. We could power L.A. generating it from their spinning copses!
26 years ago brave Federal Law Enforcement Officers in armored vehicles chose
Patriot's Day to burn 17 children and most of their parents alive in a
church near Waco, Texas.
You've probably never seen these names:
Chanel Andrade, 1
Daylan Lord Gent, 3
Paiges Gent, 2
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2
Cyrus Howell, 8
Star Howell, 6
Serenity Sea Jones, 4
Chica Jones, 1
Little One Jones, 1
(They were twins)
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isaiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 8
Abigail Martinez, 11
Startle Summers, 1
Hollywood Sylvia, 2
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Melisa Morrison, 8
Newborns
Summers & Little,
(Born into the flames
as their mothers died)
How did we get to our current situation.
Nut job. Alleged child abuser (that NEVER happens in cults living in guarded encampments).
The siege took two MONTHS to play out. Is your contention there was no probable cause to search the compound? I'm all for privacy but I tend to assume that the authorities have reason to mount up a charge on a group led by a screw ball like Koresh.
You weren't there; I wasn't there. We're betting. My bet is on Koresh and his fellow crazies killing themselves and setting the place on fire.
I am very confident though that if this happened under a R Admin's watch you'd be singing your "if you don't do anything g wrong you have nothing to hide" Cooper song and dance." -
Come on Sled - do better man!!
Don't dishonor the legacy of the patriots of Lexington Green with a thread about Waco. That's just silly. -
Clinton talking points. Thanks.creepycoug said:
Defending Koresh is a bad look.Sledog said:244 years ago the revolution was kicking off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/revere-and-dawes-ride
Our founders fought over taxation and freedom. We could power L.A. generating it from their spinning copses!
26 years ago brave Federal Law Enforcement Officers in armored vehicles chose
Patriot's Day to burn 17 children and most of their parents alive in a
church near Waco, Texas.
You've probably never seen these names:
Chanel Andrade, 1
Daylan Lord Gent, 3
Paiges Gent, 2
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2
Cyrus Howell, 8
Star Howell, 6
Serenity Sea Jones, 4
Chica Jones, 1
Little One Jones, 1
(They were twins)
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isaiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 8
Abigail Martinez, 11
Startle Summers, 1
Hollywood Sylvia, 2
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Melisa Morrison, 8
Newborns
Summers & Little,
(Born into the flames
as their mothers died)
How did we get to our current situation.
Nut job. Alleged child abuser (that NEVER happens in cults living in guarded encampments).
The siege took two MONTHS to play out. Is your contention there was no probable cause to search the compound? I'm all for privacy but I tend to assume that the authorities have reason to mount up a charge on a group led by a screw ball like Koresh.
You weren't there; I wasn't there. We're betting. My bet is on Koresh and his fellow crazies killing themselves and setting the place on fire.
I am very confident though that if this happened under a R Admin's watch you'd be singing your "if you don't do anything g wrong you have nothing to hide" Cooper song and dance."
I wasn't there. But if you calculate the amount of tear gas required for that structure you'll find that many times more gas was inserted than required. That doesn't just make it more effective it makes it flammable. And when tear gas burns it produces a form of cyanide gas.
There were children involved and no further threat to anyone. They could have left a guy in a lawn chair to watch the place.
Kids are of the utmost importance. HTH -
I think the Weaver case is more disturbing
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Every bit as if not more so. You are correct. Both disturbing.RaceBannon said:I think the Weaver case is more disturbing
Waco was done as a stunt to obtain greater funding from congress. One never ever notified the press of such activities let alone having them set up to film it.
Ruby Ridge was lunacy and illegal. -
man I almost never post here and I'm already rent free?CirrhosisDawg said:
SledogSledog said:244 years ago the revolution was kicking off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/revere-and-dawes-ride
Our founders fought over taxation and freedom. We could power L.A. generating it from their spinning copses!
26 years ago brave Federal Law Enforcement Officers in armored vehicles chose
Patriot's Day to burn 17 children and most of their parents alive in a
church near Waco, Texas.
You've probably never seen these names:
Chanel Andrade, 1
Daylan Lord Gent, 3
Paiges Gent, 2
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2
Cyrus Howell, 8
Star Howell, 6
Serenity Sea Jones, 4
Chica Jones, 1
Little One Jones, 1
(They were twins)
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isaiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 8
Abigail Martinez, 11
Startle Summers, 1
Hollywood Sylvia, 2
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Melisa Morrison, 8
Newborns
Summers & Little,
(Born into the flames
as their mothers died)
How did we get to our current situation.
GayBob
TurdbufferFS
Lenny from west Linn
Dude61
HHunterQuestionsHisSexuality
GrundleDoesntCareEitherWay
Branch Banninions of course.
All very familiar names in the tug -
This. The Weaver case is gross government abuse of power. ATF + USMS + FBI = clown assesRaceBannon said:I think the Weaver case is more disturbing
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I am always confused as to when the Feds decide to step in and help in local or state issues. That is where they use income tax and crossing state lines?
Hell I don't know other than if the Feds are coming in I wish they would just cut to the chase and use tanks and or missiles. -
OKC bombing. Horrible
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Don't forget the revolutions first shot happened because of gun control!
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The Waco operation was completely botched. But if you shoot federal agents, you're going to wind up ded.
Every fuckin' time.
IMO, Ruby Ridge was far more outrageous. -
Even if it (Waco) was over -militarized, shitty law enforcement work, suicide by cop is still suicide by cop. You surrender and fight your battles in court.dflea said:The Waco operation was completely botched. But if you shoot federal agents, you're going to wind up ded.
Every fuckin' time.
IMO, Ruby Ridge was far more outrageous.
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If there's anything I care deeply about, it's FRRRREEEEEEEEEEE PUUBBBBBBBCirrhosisDawg said:
SledogSledog said:244 years ago the revolution was kicking off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/revere-and-dawes-ride
Our founders fought over taxation and freedom. We could power L.A. generating it from their spinning copses!
26 years ago brave Federal Law Enforcement Officers in armored vehicles chose
Patriot's Day to burn 17 children and most of their parents alive in a
church near Waco, Texas.
You've probably never seen these names:
Chanel Andrade, 1
Daylan Lord Gent, 3
Paiges Gent, 2
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2
Cyrus Howell, 8
Star Howell, 6
Serenity Sea Jones, 4
Chica Jones, 1
Little One Jones, 1
(They were twins)
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isaiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 8
Abigail Martinez, 11
Startle Summers, 1
Hollywood Sylvia, 2
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Melisa Morrison, 8
Newborns
Summers & Little,
(Born into the flames
as their mothers died)
How did we get to our current situation.
GayBob
TurdbufferFS
Lenny from west Linn
Dude61
HHunterQuestionsHisSexuality
GrundleDoesntCareEitherWay
Branch Banninions of course.
All very familiar names in the tug -
Chinned for
Branch Banninions -
Cool story!Sledog said:Don't forget the revolutions first shot happened because of gun control!
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I know what you’re referring to. “Gun control.” Yeah, right.Sledog said:
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You mean the British marching to seize the colonists powder and arms stores? The you have read it. Those front stuffers don't work without powder and lead balls. Canons don't go boom either. Fortunately our forefathers had balls of steel and shot their asses so you don't speak with a Brit accent.HHusky said:
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Yeah, a military maneuver designed to disarm the enemy is EXACTLY like gun control legislation. Hot take!Sledog said:
You mean the British marching to seize the colonists powder and arms stores? The you have read it. Those front stuffers don't work without powder and lead balls. Canons don't go boom either. Fortunately our forefathers had balls of steel and shot their asses so you don't speak with a Brit accent.HHusky said: -
Have a little gratitude will ya. It’s because the mothership was England that we ended up the most successful country in modern history. Your beloved 2nd amendment didn’t originate from the French Bill of Rights.Sledog said:
You mean the British marching to seize the colonists powder and arms stores? The you have read it. Those front stuffers don't work without powder and lead balls. Canons don't go boom either. Fortunately our forefathers had balls of steel and shot their asses so you don't speak with a Brit accent.HHusky said: -
Without the 2nd we would lose the rest. If these assholes treat us this badly when we are armed imagine how bad it would be if they ever take them away!
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Tell us about the abuse you’re suffering from the mean assholes, Mall Cop.Sledog said:Without the 2nd we would lose the rest. If these assholes treat us this badly when we are armed imagine how bad it would be if they ever take them away!
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“If you have nothing to hide you don’t need the 4th amendment” - HH reasoningHHusky said:
Tell us about the abuse you’re suffering from the mean assholes, Mall Cop.Sledog said:Without the 2nd we would lose the rest. If these assholes treat us this badly when we are armed imagine how bad it would be if they ever take them away!
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So nothing. That's what I thought.MikeDamone said:
“If you have nothing to hide you don’t need the 4th amendment” - HH reasoningHHusky said:
Tell us about the abuse you’re suffering from the mean assholes, Mall Cop.Sledog said:Without the 2nd we would lose the rest. If these assholes treat us this badly when we are armed imagine how bad it would be if they ever take them away!
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I think gun control would be a giant waste of time. With that said, I don't think our government fears us because guns. It would be messier than it would without them. No doubt. But I don't think the government is on the verge of coming after us.Sledog said:Without the 2nd we would lose the rest. If these assholes treat us this badly when we are armed imagine how bad it would be if they ever take them away!
