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Domicillo
Domicillo Member Posts: 3,025

Bit odd in how Hop talked through this clip, seems like you could read into it a bit

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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Domicillo said:


    Bit odd in how Hop talked through this clip, seems like you could read into it a bit
    No surprise, at all.
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Would Hop go big with next year's lineup?

    Timmins
    Stewart
    McDanields (prayingdog.jpg)
    Carter
    Greene
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Would Hop go big with next year's lineup?

    Timmins
    Stewart
    McDanields (prayingdog.jpg)
    Carter
    Greene

    Battle as sixth man off the bench. And Hamier Wright coming in for Timmins. I wouldn't be surprised if wright plays more than Timmins. Hopkins likes to play him at center on defense and we won't need much offense with that roster. Tonight there were a few plays with him and Dickerson in where Dickerson was playing D at the 3 point line with Wright at the center.
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186

    Would Hop go big with next year's lineup?

    Timmins
    Stewart
    McDanields (prayingdog.jpg)
    Carter
    Greene

    What in the world is Timmins doing in this hypothetical lineup?
    Just a hunch. You starting Wright over him? Or you got Stewart and McDaniels as bigs and starting one of the wings - Bey or Battle maybe?
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    If he goes he goes. But he's not gonna be taken anytime early. Certainly not as early as he would like. He needs to be a more consistent player.
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    dhdawg said:

    If he goes he goes. But he's not gonna be taken anytime early. Certainly not as early as he would like. He needs to be a more consistent player.

    The NBA doesn’t draft consistency, it drafts potential, and upperclassmen are seen as having less potential. It’s probably the right move for him. The significant progress in his 3 point shot makes this the best time for him to go.
  • dawgs206
    dawgs206 Member Posts: 482

    Would Hop go big with next year's lineup?

    Timmins
    Stewart
    McDanields (prayingdog.jpg)
    Carter
    Greene

    If we are going big next year I’d prefer BPJ instead of Timmins, assuming some improvement. He’s the protypical center in Hop’s D. Not sure there’s enough shooting in that lineup, but he’s probably more useful than Timmins with his length alone.

    3pt shooting next season is going to be a problem.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I don’t understand the Wright hate. Yeah he’s not great offensively but he’s a borderline elite 4 in the 2-3. He has the length, mobility, and the timing you want from the 4. He can even play the 5. He’s a great shot blocker.

    Who plays a 2-3? And Wright frequently plays a 5 in our 4-1 zone. He's quicker on the rotation than Timmins and Dickerson when the other team gets 2 people inside our 4. OSU had that opportunity a bunch in OT last night and couldn't get the ball in to them.
  • DawgFader
    DawgFader Member Posts: 1,414
    Nowell is the most talented/highest upside player we have had in a long long time. He’s been gone. Would be amazing if he pulled a Lockner.
  • Miley_Cyrus
    Miley_Cyrus Member Posts: 832
    edited March 2019

    Wright will get better offensively. There are times when he shows a good feel, Nifty passes, and touch on his shot. With another season of development on his ball handling and some much needed confidence I could see him being a really good cog to an offensive system as a low post passer and when singled a guy who can make a move and get to the rim. This is a Sark type player. Under LR we could expect Wright to be Darnell Gant, ie the same guy for his entire career, but with Hop I expect to see more from him as an upperclassmen. Sam Timmons got better. Hameir has a better toolbox than Sam.

    I like Wright. What scares me is that he hasn’t seemed to be improve his offensive game at all since last year.

    He’s an absolute nightmare trying to break a press, though that mostly falls on Hop for putting him in that situation.
  • theknowledge
    theknowledge Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,635 Founders Club
    Wright has shown he can hit a three from tim to tim and is a fairly adept passer. I saw none of that as a freshman. If you think he looks scared at times this year go back and watch the few minutes he played last year. He is getting better. the hope is for him to take one step forward next year and another the year after. If that happens he will be an asset to what will hopefully be our third straight tourney team. He is not a five or four star guy. He is a three star with a good toolbox to build with. Height, length, vert. He just needs more tim.
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    2001400ex said:

    I don’t understand the Wright hate. Yeah he’s not great offensively but he’s a borderline elite 4 in the 2-3. He has the length, mobility, and the timing you want from the 4. He can even play the 5. He’s a great shot blocker.

    Who plays a 2-3? And Wright frequently plays a 5 in our 4-1 zone. He's quicker on the rotation than Timmins and Dickerson when the other team gets 2 people inside our 4. OSU had that opportunity a bunch in OT last night and couldn't get the ball in to them.
    You know what i mean.

    I’m being technical here.
  • Miley_Cyrus
    Miley_Cyrus Member Posts: 832

    Wright has shown he can hit a three from tim to tim and is a fairly adept passer. I saw none of that as a freshman. If you think he looks scared at times this year go back and watch the few minutes he played last year. He is getting better. the hope is for him to take one step forward next year and another the year after. If that happens he will be an asset to what will hopefully be our third straight tourney team. He is not a five or four star guy. He is a three star with a good toolbox to build with. Height, length, vert. He just needs more tim.

    Huh? https://247sports.com/Player/Hameir-Wright-85264/high-school-147947/

    He shot 27% from 3 last year versus 20% this year. I do think he’s got some good passing ability but I don’t think he’s grown a ton since last year. He plays primarily because he’s very good in the zone. Offensively he looks about the same as last year if not worse.
    Well if you're going to go off real stats and not the ones in my head, well then yeah, I guess he's regressed. I just like the kid and think he's got a shot to be pretty good for us.
    I do too. He is a great fit for the zone and plays hard. Just wish he’d have taken a step forward on O this year. He does have the raw tools so perhaps a breakout year is coming down the road.
  • BroadcastingDawg
    BroadcastingDawg Member Posts: 1,519

    Would Hop go big with next year's lineup?

    Timmins
    Stewart
    McDanields (prayingdog.jpg)
    Carter
    Greene

    I don't see Timmins getting any more minutes next year than he does now... just because Artem Wallace was once a senior didn't mean he was destined to start that year. He played 4.5 mins a game his senior season which was actually down from what he was used to. You play the talent... not the talentless.

    I'd like to see:

    5. BPJ/Roberts w/ Timmins getting his usual 5-10...

    4. Stewart w/ Hamier Wright playing a flex 3/4... back to his natural position.

    3. McDaniels w/ Naz Carter playing a flex 2/3.

    2. Nowell w/ RaeQuan Battle in there to light up the perimeter.

    1. Green w/ Hardy splitting pretty much equal time.

    If Nowell moves on then Naz would simply start at the 2. Lets pray we land McDaniels. RaeQuan is too good to not give him ample time on the court his Freshman year. Dude is a more athletic CJ Wilcox.



  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186

    Would Hop go big with next year's lineup?

    Timmins
    Stewart
    McDanields (prayingdog.jpg)
    Carter
    Greene

    I don't see Timmins getting any more minutes next year than he does now... just because Artem Wallace was once a senior didn't mean he was destined to start that year. He played 4.5 mins a game his senior season which was actually down from what he was used to. You play the talent... not the talentless.

    I'd like to see:

    5. BPJ/Roberts w/ Timmins getting his usual 5-10...

    4. Stewart w/ Hamier Wright playing a flex 3/4... back to his natural position.

    3. McDaniels w/ Naz Carter playing a flex 2/3.

    2. Nowell w/ RaeQuan Battle in there to light up the perimeter.

    1. Green w/ Hardy splitting pretty much equal time.

    If Nowell moves on then Naz would simply start at the 2. Lets pray we land McDaniels. RaeQuan is too good to not give him ample time on the court his Freshman year. Dude is a more athletic CJ Wilcox.



    Jaylen is gonezo

  • Rapeculturedawg
    Rapeculturedawg Member Posts: 899
    Jaylen wont leave unless he is firmly in the 1st round.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Would Hop go big with next year's lineup?

    Timmins
    Stewart
    McDanields (prayingdog.jpg)
    Carter
    Greene

    I don't see Timmins getting any more minutes next year than he does now... just because Artem Wallace was once a senior didn't mean he was destined to start that year. He played 4.5 mins a game his senior season which was actually down from what he was used to. You play the talent... not the talentless.

    I'd like to see:

    5. BPJ/Roberts w/ Timmins getting his usual 5-10...

    4. Stewart w/ Hamier Wright playing a flex 3/4... back to his natural position.

    3. McDaniels w/ Naz Carter playing a flex 2/3.

    2. Nowell w/ RaeQuan Battle in there to light up the perimeter.

    1. Green w/ Hardy splitting pretty much equal time.

    If Nowell moves on then Naz would simply start at the 2. Lets pray we land McDaniels. RaeQuan is too good to not give him ample time on the court his Freshman year. Dude is a more athletic CJ Wilcox.



    I wish we had another Wilcox. Sweet 3 point stroke and solid defensively.
  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331

    Jaylen wont leave unless he is firmly in the 1st round.

    I cannot see him as a first rounder unless he puts the team on his back for a serious run in march. That's possible but not likely.

    I agree though. He should stay unless he is sure he is going in the first round.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,101
    Nowell would be well served to come back for one more year while putting in work on rounding out his game for the NBA level. He's a back end of the 1st round pick at best right now and to me that isn't worth leaving school 2 years early for.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-dukes-zion-williamson-is-the-clear-top-pick-and-three-blue-devils-are-in-the-top-five/

    Jaylen comes off as very thoughtful and understanding of the big picture around him. He's got a lot of people surrounding him that will give him the real truth about what is out there and the pro's and con's of a situation.

    It's one thing if you're assured of getting guaranteed money and a lottery pick. But at this point, he's not guaranteed to get guaranteed money. Why go down that path if you don't need to?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Tequilla said:

    Nowell would be well served to come back for one more year while putting in work on rounding out his game for the NBA level. He's a back end of the 1st round pick at best right now and to me that isn't worth leaving school 2 years early for.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-dukes-zion-williamson-is-the-clear-top-pick-and-three-blue-devils-are-in-the-top-five/

    Jaylen comes off as very thoughtful and understanding of the big picture around him. He's got a lot of people surrounding him that will give him the real truth about what is out there and the pro's and con's of a situation.

    It's one thing if you're assured of getting guaranteed money and a lottery pick. But at this point, he's not guaranteed to get guaranteed money. Why go down that path if you don't need to?

    I go back and forth on this. Isaiah was the last pick in the draft and, while he wasn't getting a Max contract, was in talks for a life changing contract. So it can happen. But whether guaranteed or not, it totally depends on the team he'd get drafted to. And his desire for money now versus making a run in college and most likely more money a year from now.

    On the team comment. If he's in the second round and getting drafted by a team where he'll sit. That's another notch in the stay in college list. He'll get more experience in college than sitting on the end of an NBA bench and only getting garage minutes. But if he thinks he can play 20 minutes a night, going out and making a few million is a good decision.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,101
    2001400ex said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nowell would be well served to come back for one more year while putting in work on rounding out his game for the NBA level. He's a back end of the 1st round pick at best right now and to me that isn't worth leaving school 2 years early for.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-dukes-zion-williamson-is-the-clear-top-pick-and-three-blue-devils-are-in-the-top-five/

    Jaylen comes off as very thoughtful and understanding of the big picture around him. He's got a lot of people surrounding him that will give him the real truth about what is out there and the pro's and con's of a situation.

    It's one thing if you're assured of getting guaranteed money and a lottery pick. But at this point, he's not guaranteed to get guaranteed money. Why go down that path if you don't need to?

    I go back and forth on this. Isaiah was the last pick in the draft and, while he wasn't getting a Max contract, was in talks for a life changing contract. So it can happen. But whether guaranteed or not, it totally depends on the team he'd get drafted to. And his desire for money now versus making a run in college and most likely more money a year from now.

    On the team comment. If he's in the second round and getting drafted by a team where he'll sit. That's another notch in the stay in college list. He'll get more experience in college than sitting on the end of an NBA bench and only getting garage minutes. But if he thinks he can play 20 minutes a night, going out and making a few million is a good decision.
    Yes, IT has shown that it is possible ...

    But the % of guys that go through the 2nd round that either sit on the back end of benches or end up playing in Europe or the G League are far more numerous as examples.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Tequilla said:

    2001400ex said:

    Tequilla said:

    Nowell would be well served to come back for one more year while putting in work on rounding out his game for the NBA level. He's a back end of the 1st round pick at best right now and to me that isn't worth leaving school 2 years early for.

    https://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-dukes-zion-williamson-is-the-clear-top-pick-and-three-blue-devils-are-in-the-top-five/

    Jaylen comes off as very thoughtful and understanding of the big picture around him. He's got a lot of people surrounding him that will give him the real truth about what is out there and the pro's and con's of a situation.

    It's one thing if you're assured of getting guaranteed money and a lottery pick. But at this point, he's not guaranteed to get guaranteed money. Why go down that path if you don't need to?

    I go back and forth on this. Isaiah was the last pick in the draft and, while he wasn't getting a Max contract, was in talks for a life changing contract. So it can happen. But whether guaranteed or not, it totally depends on the team he'd get drafted to. And his desire for money now versus making a run in college and most likely more money a year from now.

    On the team comment. If he's in the second round and getting drafted by a team where he'll sit. That's another notch in the stay in college list. He'll get more experience in college than sitting on the end of an NBA bench and only getting garage minutes. But if he thinks he can play 20 minutes a night, going out and making a few million is a good decision.
    Yes, IT has shown that it is possible ...

    But the % of guys that go through the 2nd round that either sit on the back end of benches or end up playing in Europe or the G League are far more numerous as examples.
    Yes exactly. I would say the same for half of the first round a well. How many kids picked ahead of Klay Thompson produced? Let alone kids picked after him. The difference is, of you are picked in the first half of the first round, you are set for life if you manage your money decently.

    Number 15 pick last year was $6 million after two years, eligible for almost $15 million after 4.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2018/06/22/2018-nba-draft-1st-round-rookie-salary-projections/#71b379a6642d