WSDOT: Too few minorities, women on tunnel project
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How would you know?CollegeDoog said:
They have a good AP program. Everything else is poor.DerekJohnson said:(Garfield) had a silver medal of distinction from U.S. News and World Report in 2008 and 2009 for being among the top-performing high schools in terms of college readiness.[12] The school is noted for producing a number of National Merit Scholars each year,[5] and Garfield consistently produces more National Merit Scholars each year than any other public school in Washington state.[13] Garfield frequently competes for the highest number of National Merit Scholars of any school in the state, including private schools.
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Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...dnc said:
Why do you hate Franklin?CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city. -
I speak from a statistical position.CuntWaffle said:
Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.
I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend. -
I have friends that went there. There's a wealthy white girl here at Midd that went through the AP program.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
How would you know?CollegeDoog said:
They have a good AP program. Everything else is poor.DerekJohnson said:(Garfield) had a silver medal of distinction from U.S. News and World Report in 2008 and 2009 for being among the top-performing high schools in terms of college readiness.[12] The school is noted for producing a number of National Merit Scholars each year,[5] and Garfield consistently produces more National Merit Scholars each year than any other public school in Washington state.[13] Garfield frequently competes for the highest number of National Merit Scholars of any school in the state, including private schools.
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You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.CollegeDoog said:
Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.CollegeDoog said:
Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.CollegeDoog said:
Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.RaceBannon said:
Self loathing is sadCollegeDoog said:Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.
Also, AA is necessary.
I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.
I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.
But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.
I imagine it will become less important over time.
Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.
Hope this helps.
My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.
Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.
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Again I think there are problems with the law and how they limit people to their ethnic background, but in education, at least in the short term it should be applied.
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Why had he previously never been taught to read?death2ducks said:
You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.CollegeDoog said:
Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.CollegeDoog said:
Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.CollegeDoog said:
Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.RaceBannon said:
Self loathing is sadCollegeDoog said:Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.
Also, AA is necessary.
I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.
I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.
But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.
I imagine it will become less important over time.
Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.
Hope this helps.
My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.
Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.
Tell me. The answer ain't pretty. -
If I wear blackface will this augment my career growth?
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What kind of community did you grow up in? Do you have an ID? Did you attend Garfield but avoid AP classes?uw2010 said:If I wear blackface will this augment my career growth?
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He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.CollegeDoog said:
Why had he previously never been taught to read?death2ducks said:
You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.CollegeDoog said:
Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.CollegeDoog said:
Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.CollegeDoog said:
Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.RaceBannon said:
Self loathing is sadCollegeDoog said:Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.
Also, AA is necessary.
I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.
I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.
But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.
I imagine it will become less important over time.
Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.
Hope this helps.
My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.
Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.
Tell me. The answer ain't pretty.
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Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?CollegeDoog said:
Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...dnc said:
Why do you hate Franklin?CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.
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So he was disadvantaged through no fault of his own? That's what I'm getting at in this thread.death2ducks said:
He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.CollegeDoog said:
Why had he previously never been taught to read?death2ducks said:
You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.CollegeDoog said:
Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.CollegeDoog said:
Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.CollegeDoog said:
Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.RaceBannon said:
Self loathing is sadCollegeDoog said:Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.
Also, AA is necessary.
I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.
I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.
But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.
I imagine it will become less important over time.
Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.
Hope this helps.
My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.
Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.
Tell me. The answer ain't pretty.
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It's way too easy to judge people solely on the basis of their qualifications and abilities. It isn't fair. We need to even out the playing field by creating a different set of standards for the people who we deem to be at a disadvantage. That's fair.
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Ingraham is made up of mainly the north end minority community and is severely underfunded.dnc said:
Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?CollegeDoog said:
Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...dnc said:
Why do you hate Franklin?CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.
West Seattle and Sealth face the same issues.
If you live in these areas, access to a better education is much more difficult to come by. -
I never thought about whose fault it was. I just fixed the problem. Why are you so hung up on assigning blame instead of just fixing problems? Or trying bullshit social experiments?CollegeDoog said:
So he was disadvantaged through no fault of his own?death2ducks said:
He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.CollegeDoog said:
Why had he previously never been taught to read?death2ducks said:
You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.CollegeDoog said:
Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.CollegeDoog said:
Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.CollegeDoog said:
Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.RaceBannon said:
Self loathing is sadCollegeDoog said:Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.
Also, AA is necessary.
I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.
I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.
But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.
I imagine it will become less important over time.
Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.
Hope this helps.
My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.
Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.
Tell me. The answer ain't pretty. -
LOL providing avenues of opportunity IS a fix to the problem.death2ducks said:
I never thought about whose fault it was. I just fixed the problem. Why are you so hung up on assigning blame instead of just fixing problems? Or trying bullshit socialCollegeDoog said:
So he was disadvantaged through no fault of his own?death2ducks said:
He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.CollegeDoog said:
Why had he previously never been taught to read?death2ducks said:
You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.CollegeDoog said:
Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.CollegeDoog said:
Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.CollegeDoog said:
Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.RaceBannon said:
Self loathing is sadCollegeDoog said:Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.
Also, AA is necessary.
I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.
I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.
But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.
I imagine it will become less important over time.
Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.
Hope this helps.
My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.
Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.
Tell me. The answer ain't pretty.
experiments? -
CollegeDoog said:
They have a good AP program. Everything else is poor.DerekJohnson said:(Garfield) had a silver medal of distinction from U.S. News and World Report in 2008 and 2009 for being among the top-performing high schools in terms of college readiness.[12] The school is noted for producing a number of National Merit Scholars each year,[5] and Garfield consistently produces more National Merit Scholars each year than any other public school in Washington state.[13] Garfield frequently competes for the highest number of National Merit Scholars of any school in the state, including private schools.
Garfield High jazz band takes first place at Essentially Ellington
Garfield High School jazz band placed first in the Essentially Ellington High School Jazz Band Competition & Festival at New York's Lincoln Center. Bands from Roosevelt and Edmonds-Woodway high schools competed but did not make it to the top three.
By Hugo Kugiya
Special to The Seattle Times
The Garfield High School jazz band performs in the Essentially Ellington competition, winning first place for the fourth time in a decade.
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The Garfield High School jazz band performs in the Essentially Ellington competition, winning first place for the fourth time in a decade.
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My #RoughRiders jazz band is gonna unseat them this March.
Cook it!
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Those policies have been in place for 40 years.CollegeDoog said:
I speak from a statistical position.CuntWaffle said:
Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.
I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.
You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably. -
The best school I ever went to as a kid was in West Seattle.CollegeDoog said:
Ingraham is made up of mainly the north end minority community and is severely underfunded.dnc said:
Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?CollegeDoog said:
Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...dnc said:
Why do you hate Franklin?CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.
West Seattle and Sealth face the same issues.
If you live in these areas, access to a better education is much more difficult to come by.
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West Seattle has good AP classes but the rest suck.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best school I ever went to as a kid was in West Seattle.CollegeDoog said:
Ingraham is made up of mainly the north end minority community and is severely underfunded.dnc said:
Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?CollegeDoog said:
Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...dnc said:
Why do you hate Franklin?CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.
West Seattle and Sealth face the same issues.
If you live in these areas, access to a better education is much more difficult to come by. -
Lakeside has good AP classes but the rest suck.
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I need to see a championshipCollegeDoog said:My #RoughRiders jazz band is gonna unseat them this March.
Cook it! -
Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Those policies have been in place for 40 years.CollegeDoog said:
I speak from a statistical position.CuntWaffle said:
Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.
I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.
You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.
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What other policies are those?CollegeDoog said:
Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Those policies have been in place for 40 years.CollegeDoog said:
I speak from a statistical position.CuntWaffle said:
Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.
I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.
You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.
You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me. -
I know you're being sarcastic but we don't have AP classes. Everything is an "AP" class.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Lakeside has good AP classes but the rest suck.
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Studies show that the link between family background and future income is especially strong in the US than in other countries. Wealthy families still have better access to education like private schools, or well funded public schools. There are lots of wealthy Midd students that went to Rye HS in Westchester, Darien HS in Connecticut, and other public schools in wealthy areas.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
What other policies are those?CollegeDoog said:
Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Those policies have been in place for 40 years.CollegeDoog said:
I speak from a statistical position.CuntWaffle said:
Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.
I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.
You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.
You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me.
I'd say the misuse of public funds in education and the shitiness of public teachers unions is the biggest hamper.
Public education in America is woeful.
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Totally agree. Affirmative action is just a way of distracting from the REAL problems that you've correctly identified.CollegeDoog said:
Studies show that the link between family background and future income is especially strong in the US than in other countries. Wealthy families still have better access to education like private schools, or well funded public schools. There are lots of wealthy Midd students that went to Rye HS in Westchester, Darien HS in Connecticut, and other public schools in wealthy areas.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
What other policies are those?CollegeDoog said:
Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Those policies have been in place for 40 years.CollegeDoog said:
I speak from a statistical position.CuntWaffle said:
Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.
I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.
You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.
You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me.
I'd say the misuse of public funds in education and the shitiness of public teachers unions is the biggest hamper.
Public education in America is woeful. -
It's not the answer to everything but it's not inherently a "bad" law and it's not the reason social mobility is down.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Totally agree. Affirmative action is just a way of distracting ifrom the REAL problems that you've correctly identified.CollegeDoog said:
Studies show that the link between family background and future income is especially strong in the US than in other countries. Wealthy families still have better access to education like private schools, or well funded public schools. There are lots of wealthy Midd students that went to Rye HS in Westchester, Darien HS in Connecticut, and other public schools in wealthy areas.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
What other policies are those?CollegeDoog said:
Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Those policies have been in place for 40 years.CollegeDoog said:
I speak from a statistical position.CuntWaffle said:
Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.CollegeDoog said:People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.
In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.
The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.
I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.
You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.
You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me.
I'd say the misuse of public funds in education and the shitiness of public teachers unions is the biggest hamper.
Public education in America is woeful.
There are much more cynical factors in play. -
CollegeDoog said:
Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.RaceBannon said:
Self loathing is sadCollegeDoog said:Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.
Also, AA is necessary.
I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.
I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.
But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.
I imagine it will become less important over time.
Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.
If the trust fund babies get the Wall Street job, they have to be good at it to keep it. Their rich daddy can't save them from getting fired if they consistently lose their clients Millions.
AA is reverse sexism and racism whose only function is to keep those that normally wouldn't be good enough to get a job or keep it, on board a company to meet their diversity goals.
In many insistences, the benefactors of AA are good enough to be hired and maybe even promoted anyway. In most cities, people have evolved enough to look beyond a person's skin color or breastesses. Discrimination laws in hiring and the workplace have bigger teeth than you may realize. AA, at least in most areas has outlived it's designation. It's more about nanny politics now.
Please do tell of what you learned by being exposed to people who normally didn't deserve to be where they are. I'm curious to know.
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