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AOC set to introduce Green New Deal

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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Yes. Remember them well.

    Hint: we aren’t in the 90’s any more, Toto. Now go polish your ruby slippers

    Good, so you agree there's many other factors out there and that cutting or raising taxes doesn't have a huge influence on the GDP growth.
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    backthepackbackthepack Member Posts: 19,799
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    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    I care.

    We can't afford our current burn. How in the holy fuck are we going to pay for this?

    And don't tell me raise taxes on the rich. There isn't enough money there no matter how hard you try to get blood from a turnip.


    This plan is beyond FS.
    But you support cutting taxes on the wealthy and corporations.
    Fuck off, shill.

    You don't have the mental fortitude to understand economics and the velocity of money.

    As such, you should kill yourself.



    We've been down this road. Last year tax revenue went down or was basically flat from the year before with Yuge growth. Do you understand Revenue as a percentage of GDP?
    Moar divert and deflect. Fuck off.


    Better yet, kill yourself.
    Strong agree
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    sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
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    I hear Sweeden is innovating again


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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,845
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    pawz said:

    I care.

    We can't afford our current burn. How in the holy fuck are we going to pay for this?

    And don't tell me raise taxes on the rich. There isn't enough money there no matter how hard you try to get blood from a turnip.


    This plan is beyond FS.
    You're not following the lefty logic of a late are you? We spend trillions of dollars each year of petroleum based energy, therefore we'll save all kinds of money if we turn completely to green energy. And since all money really belongs to the government a dollar in tax money and dollar in private money are no different.

    We'll just confiscate all of the money spent privately on energy and add it to the existing tax dollars being spent on energy and we'll have plenty of money to pay for all of it.

    When you deal in pure Kunt logic all is possible.

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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    2001400ex said:

    How will raising tax rates to 70% increase gdp?

    I don't support 70%. That being said. Raising taxes on the wealthy won't hurt the GDP growth. Remember the 90s?
    You mean the period where we controlled government spending and cut the capital gains tax?
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 14,015
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    Tax rate was lower in the 90s for individuals. Other than that, great point
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    Too bad for the socialists that we have actual evidence of which system was able to innovate and afford clean air and water and which system crumbled in poverty and environmental degradation

    So naturally the socialists in America choose the system that failed and left a stain on the earth

    It takes a lot of economy to afford to do things clean and America and the West can do it. Socialists can't

    Dupes

    Water purification plants, the things that make water drinkable, are publicly owned. The pipes that deliver that water are publicly owned. If you’ve ever had a sip of clean water in the US it’s because of democratic socialism.

    The police, fire department, highways, airports, public transit, parks, the FBI, the Secret Service, social security, Medicare are all democratic socialism. Your capitalist utopia was built on the foundation of what you now demonize as socialism.

    So you can fear monger all you want but your message is being delivered via the internet which was create by people using government grants and doing government research.

    B-b-but Venezuela!
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    First of all you're talking out your ass when comes to all drinking water being part of some public system. Do you fuckers ever read anything but the bullshit you're spoon fed by ThinkProgress?

    Second of all, none of the programs you tout could exist without capitalism. Capitalism is the Golden Goose that pays for all of your "socialism." Capitalism would do just fine if none of your "socialism" ever existed.




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    backthepackbackthepack Member Posts: 19,799
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    Too bad for the socialists that we have actual evidence of which system was able to innovate and afford clean air and water and which system crumbled in poverty and environmental degradation

    So naturally the socialists in America choose the system that failed and left a stain on the earth

    It takes a lot of economy to afford to do things clean and America and the West can do it. Socialists can't

    Dupes

    Water purification plants, the things that make water drinkable, are publicly owned. The pipes that deliver that water are publicly owned. If you’ve ever had a sip of clean water in the US it’s because of democratic socialism.

    The police, fire department, highways, airports, public transit, parks, the FBI, the Secret Service, social security, Medicare are all democratic socialism. Your capitalist utopia was built on the foundation of what you now demonize as socialism.

    So you can fear monger all you want but your message is being delivered via the internet which was create by people using government grants and doing government research.

    B-b-but Venezuela!
    No it wasn't

    This is simplistic bullshit

    Capitalistism paid for all of it.

    China pollutes the world just like the Soviet Block did. Forward Progress to clean Lake Washington started in the 60's. The USSR was a cess pool to the day it died. People are still finding the mess they left in the ground and the water

    A country formed on the principles of freedom voting in the government they want to provide essential services is not socialism. Because someone has to pay for it

    You tell me why capitalist countries are cleaner? Just lucky?

    Capitalism is also where the innovation comes from, private, government or some sort of hybrid, all done in freedom, not slavery

    You don't know what capitalism is despite your fear mongering over hoe no one can get ahead in America and its all rigged boo hoo hoo I'm a victim

    I've said here many times I am happy to argue over hoe big and how much government does in a free capitalist society. I agreed with Bono that unfettered capitalism did damage individuals.

    Don't kill the golden goose with ignorance.

    To me, anyone arguing for socialism or communism might as well argue for Nazism too. Its all the same pile of shit

    We have something better here. Move to Venezuela and let us know if it is bullshit. Because it isn't

    Move to China and try to use the internet there without the government telling you what you can see.

    You have producers here willing to give 50% to the state. Don't fuck it up
    GOAT poast, GOAT poaster.
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,309
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    I really hope she runs for president, gets the dem nom, and takes the plunger in the election.

    She won't but she might drag the inevitable Dem candidate so far left that they get the plunger in the general. It's how Trump has a base in traditional blue states.
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    I’m a nazi, Trump’s a nazi, Obama’s a nazi, Bush was a nazi, everyone’s a nazi.

    “Capitalism pays for things”

    “Let’s pay for healthcare and education”

    “You’re a nazi”

    Brilliant.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,720
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,720
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    Capitalism is not the absence of social spending.

    Lesson 2 tomorrow
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    Suggest any social spending and get called a nazi.
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,309
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    Lol at another new deal proposal. The economic ignorance is so glaring it hurts. The LAST thing the current economy needs is stimulus even if you think it would work. Why do you think the Fed has been raising rates? Even super liberal economists are going to pump the brakes on this.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,720
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    Suggest any social spending and get called a nazi.

    I see why you are on team hondo now

    My well thought out rants deserve a better opponent than this

    Any social spending. Sure
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