Give me the arguments for opposing raising the age to 21 to buy a gun

SFGbob

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

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RoadTrip

You're not. Today's 18 year old is yesterday's 13 year old

RaceBannon

You're not. Today's 18 year old is yesterday's 13 year old

Pretty much

Mom should still be able to go hunting with her teen daughter though

I'm progressive like that

SFGbob

You're not. Today's 18 year old is yesterday's 13 year old
Pretty much

Mom should still be able to go hunting with her teen daughter though

I'm progressive like that

I'm sure there is an advertisement that depicts that very thing.

WestlinnDuck

Ditto. I'd make an exception if you are active duty and at least 18. Just getting a start on Starship Troopers.

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

46XiJCAB

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

The age BS is the shiny object that moves them a step closer to eventual confiscation. It will be applied govt economic hardship until the endgame of ending gun ownership is reached. It’s always incremental with the left.

SFGbob

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

The age BS is the shiny object that moves them a step closer to eventual confiscation. It will be applied govt economic hardship until the endgame of ending gun ownership is reached. It’s always incremental with the left.

I can't go there. I feel like I'm then staking out the very same position as the abortion supporters who won't oppose late term abortion for the same reasons.

LoneStarDawg

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense

46XiJCAB

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

The age BS is the shiny object that moves them a step closer to eventual confiscation. It will be applied govt economic hardship until the endgame of ending gun ownership is reached. It’s always incremental with the left.

I can't go there. I feel like I'm then staking out the very same position as the abortion supporters who won't oppose late term abortion for the same reasons.

I don’t trust DIMS. Remember when just accepting LGBTQ was enough? They attack the 2A on a regular basis. This isn’t like abortion. Where’s the unified front by GOP members to ban abortion ?

WestlinnDuck

That's why I would connect it to raising the voting age to 21. Don't get something for nothing.

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

The age BS is the shiny object that moves them a step closer to eventual confiscation. It will be applied govt economic hardship until the endgame of ending gun ownership is reached. It’s always incremental with the left.

I can't go there. I feel like I'm then staking out the very same position as the abortion supporters who won't oppose late term abortion for the same reasons.

Alexis

I don't really have a problem with that either. I get the argument that they won't stop there, and obviously they won't, but if dems were smart, that would be proposed, stand alone. Any Rep that disagreed would be pounded. But of course, they'll add a bunch of other stuff in and it'll be fucked up like everything they do. And yes, it's stupid to me that you can have spent a year in Afghanistan or some other shit hole and then come home and not be able to buy a weapon, but I also think it's stupid that you also couldn't buy a beer. So let's make 21 the age for all, including voting, abortions, alcohol. I'm cool with that. Because like was said earlier, 18 years old now is like 12 or 13 back in the day.

WestlinnDuck

Yeah, I started mowing the lawn at age 9 and no one thought anything about it. I started my son mowing the lawn at age 9 and people would literally stop their car and look like they were thinking about calling CSD. At age 12 I was doing field work, strawberries, beans and cucumbers with my 10 year old brother. Who made the lunches? Definitely not my Mom. My 12 year old cousin in Minnesota was driving the grain truck alongside the combine and then driving it into town to drop off the wheat at the grain co-op. Our neighbor, a divorcee would be out mowing her lawn on Saturday morning while her teenagers were sleeping in. That's how soft we have gotten and while their are exceptions, the average US white male is pretty much worthless. Snowflakes is actually understating the problem.

I don't really have a problem with that either. I get the argument that they won't stop there, and obviously they won't, but if dems were smart, that would be proposed, stand alone. Any Rep that disagreed would be pounded. But of course, they'll add a bunch of other stuff in and it'll be fucked up like everything they do. And yes, it's stupid to me that you can have spent a year in Afghanistan or some other shit hole and then come home and not be able to buy a weapon, but I also think it's stupid that you also couldn't buy a beer. So let's make 21 the age for all, including voting, abortions, alcohol. I'm cool with that. Because like was said earlier, 18 years old now is like 12 or 13 back in the day.

46XiJCAB

The reason I don't trust the DIMS wanting to raise the age to 21, they want 16 y/o to vote. Nothing they propose is good for the individual or the country. If they could strip away your 2A rights tomorrow, the majority of the party would.

MikeDamone

"Shall not be infringed"

HTH

pawz

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense

Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

MikeDamone

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

The "gun safety training" talk is hilarious. I'm
Sure if the Uvalde guy just had the proper safety training we would have avoided that one

MikeDamone

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

No. Because they need guys who will do things that others with fully developed brains won't

CuntWaffle

Because mental health issues go away when you are 21. Duh.

RaceBannon

"Shall not be infringed"

HTH

Now find someone who was at the constitutional convention

USMChawk

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.

SFGbob

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.

See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.

TurdBomber

Gun Free Zones obviously don't work to prevent school shootings.

So why isn't anyone calling for their ban?

RaceBannon

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.

Everyone says how moderate you are

PurpleThrobber

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.
Everyone says how moderate you are

Damned near a centrist.

When does the downvoting start?

Sledog

I think it was the 9th Circus court that just shot down 21 YO to buy. The most liberal circuit court in the nation. If you can go to war with a machine gun at 18 you should be able to buy a gun.

MelloDawg

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.

Sort of like me.

SFGbob

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.
Sort of like me.

You're nothing like me. First and foremost I'm not a Kunt, you are. I don't have a problem clearly stating where I stand on the issues while you'd chew off your own pecker before you'd ever have an honest discussion regarding the same.

pawz

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.
Sort of like me.

I'm wearing my down-vote as a badge of honor.

Hope this helps.

Sledog

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/gun-laws-age-requirement/2021/07/13/574446b8-e3f3-11eb-8aa5-5662858b696e_story.html

My bad wasn't the 9th Circus court.

greenblood

Dems need more than passing a bill raising the gun age to prevent the cataclysmic beatdown they will get in November. What I could see them do (like someone else said): Propose the increase in age, along with a bunch of other bullshit nobody wants, and dare republicans to oppose it. Republicans would vote it down, if Dems put enough stupid shit in the bill. Then Dems campaign for 2-3 months with the Republican no vote being the center of their campaigns. You watch. Welcome to American politics.

SFGbob

Dems need more than passing a bill raising the gun age to prevent the cataclysmic beatdown they will get in November. What I could see them do (like someone else said): Propose the increase in age, along with a bunch of other bullshit nobody wants, and dare republicans to oppose it. Republicans would vote it down, if Dems put enough stupid shit in the bill. Then Dems campaign for 2-3 months with the Republican no vote being the center of their campaigns. You watch. Welcome to American politics.

Give that man a cigar. They are trying to do that now with a Red Flag provision. Why wouldn't you be willing to surrender you due process rights unless you have something to hide?

Comments

RoadTrip

You're not. Today's 18 year old is yesterday's 13 year old

RaceBannon

You're not. Today's 18 year old is yesterday's 13 year old

Pretty much

Mom should still be able to go hunting with her teen daughter though

I'm progressive like that

SFGbob

You're not. Today's 18 year old is yesterday's 13 year old
Pretty much

Mom should still be able to go hunting with her teen daughter though

I'm progressive like that

I'm sure there is an advertisement that depicts that very thing.

WestlinnDuck

Ditto. I'd make an exception if you are active duty and at least 18. Just getting a start on Starship Troopers.

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

46XiJCAB

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

SFGbob

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

The age BS is the shiny object that moves them a step closer to eventual confiscation. It will be applied govt economic hardship until the endgame of ending gun ownership is reached. It’s always incremental with the left.

I can't go there. I feel like I'm then staking out the very same position as the abortion supporters who won't oppose late term abortion for the same reasons.

LoneStarDawg

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense

46XiJCAB

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

The age BS is the shiny object that moves them a step closer to eventual confiscation. It will be applied govt economic hardship until the endgame of ending gun ownership is reached. It’s always incremental with the left.

I can't go there. I feel like I'm then staking out the very same position as the abortion supporters who won't oppose late term abortion for the same reasons.

I don’t trust DIMS. Remember when just accepting LGBTQ was enough? They attack the 2A on a regular basis. This isn’t like abortion. Where’s the unified front by GOP members to ban abortion ?

WestlinnDuck

That's why I would connect it to raising the voting age to 21. Don't get something for nothing.

I'm having a hard time opposing this. I'd also like to see the age to vote raised to 21 as well. Why am I wrong?

The age BS is the shiny object that moves them a step closer to eventual confiscation. It will be applied govt economic hardship until the endgame of ending gun ownership is reached. It’s always incremental with the left.

I can't go there. I feel like I'm then staking out the very same position as the abortion supporters who won't oppose late term abortion for the same reasons.

Alexis

WestlinnDuck

I don't really have a problem with that either. I get the argument that they won't stop there, and obviously they won't, but if dems were smart, that would be proposed, stand alone. Any Rep that disagreed would be pounded. But of course, they'll add a bunch of other stuff in and it'll be fucked up like everything they do. And yes, it's stupid to me that you can have spent a year in Afghanistan or some other shit hole and then come home and not be able to buy a weapon, but I also think it's stupid that you also couldn't buy a beer. So let's make 21 the age for all, including voting, abortions, alcohol. I'm cool with that. Because like was said earlier, 18 years old now is like 12 or 13 back in the day.

46XiJCAB

MikeDamone

"Shall not be infringed"

HTH

pawz

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense

Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

MikeDamone

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

The "gun safety training" talk is hilarious. I'm
Sure if the Uvalde guy just had the proper safety training we would have avoided that one

MikeDamone

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

No. Because they need guys who will do things that others with fully developed brains won't

CuntWaffle

Because mental health issues go away when you are 21. Duh.

RaceBannon

"Shall not be infringed"

HTH

Now find someone who was at the constitutional convention

USMChawk

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

SFGbob

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.

See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.

TurdBomber

Gun Free Zones obviously don't work to prevent school shootings.

So why isn't anyone calling for their ban?

RaceBannon

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.

Everyone says how moderate you are

PurpleThrobber

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.
Everyone says how moderate you are

Damned near a centrist.

When does the downvoting start?

Sledog

I think it was the 9th Circus court that just shot down 21 YO to buy. The most liberal circuit court in the nation. If you can go to war with a machine gun at 18 you should be able to buy a gun.

MelloDawg

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.

Sort of like me.

SFGbob

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.
Sort of like me.

pawz

How about stop raising weak incapable children

Gun safety training officially started this week with my 4yo

Imagine living through the last 3 years and thinking we need less self defense
Winner.

Will they commensurately raise the age for enlisting in armed services? So many rabbit holes there ...

Have an exception for military personnel. 21 if you’re a civilian, 18 if you’re in the military. If you happen to become a veteran, and are still under 21, you have to have an Honorable discharge. No loopholes for a POS who gets drummed out.

Apply this to the drinking age and voter age as well. I’d even concede this to the members of the Peace Corps since that too is federal service.
See common ground. Hell maybe I am a moderate.
Sort of like me.

I'm wearing my down-vote as a badge of honor.

Hope this helps.

Sledog

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/gun-laws-age-requirement/2021/07/13/574446b8-e3f3-11eb-8aa5-5662858b696e_story.html

My bad wasn't the 9th Circus court.

greenblood

SFGbob

Dems need more than passing a bill raising the gun age to prevent the cataclysmic beatdown they will get in November. What I could see them do (like someone else said): Propose the increase in age, along with a bunch of other bullshit nobody wants, and dare republicans to oppose it. Republicans would vote it down, if Dems put enough stupid shit in the bill. Then Dems campaign for 2-3 months with the Republican no vote being the center of their campaigns. You watch. Welcome to American politics.

Give that man a cigar. They are trying to do that now with a Red Flag provision. Why wouldn't you be willing to surrender you due process rights unless you have something to hide?