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I’m a soccer nut...my better half lets me disappear a couple weeks every 4 years to go to the World Cup. Nothing like it. And Covid has only fed my addiction...dirtysouwfdawg said:Damn Houston. I use to really follow soccer and thought I knew my shit. Reading your stuff I realize I haven’t kept up as much as I use to.
Use to have seats behind the bench for the Dynamo but gave them up a while back...it’s hard watching MLS (esp the Dynamo...) when you watch a decent amount of soccer.
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The whole game was absolutely wild. I knew once Gooch told the Mexican female announcer he would choke her out it was gonna be a wild day. This game was about as concacafy as it gets in a way I personally find pretty entertaining.HoustonHusky said:Gregg is a fucking moron. US won despite really, really dumb coaching.
1) Weird lineup confused the players resulting in giving up a goal in the 1st 2 minutes and let the Mexicans get behind the American defense despite having 5 fucking defenders.
2). Gregg finally adjusted, leaving slow, old Tim Ream as LB in the 2nd half which was an easy target...they subbed a young fast player out there and it only took a couple minutes to score.
3) Despite all the offensive talent on the US they did not score in the run of play...scored on 2 corner kicks and a dubious pk.
Horrible outcome for the US because it will extend this train wreck of a situation longer...
1) I’m not necessarily on the fire Gregg train yet but these last two games didn’t really make me more confident even though they won. The glass half full perspective is it’s a young team that hadn’t had a lot of time together, and the resiliency they showed last night only bodes well for the future. Glass half empty is Gregg might be a stubborn moron who forces his team to play out of the back even when it fucks them.
2) Tactically he fucked it, and then adjusted leaving Ream as a LB when Gregg had Ream’s club teammate who started 28 Premier league games at left back on the bench. Sure leave the fast guy on the bench and let Ream get toasted all game.
3) People forget if Sargent doesn’t clear that ball off the line versus Honduras they probably aren’t even playing in the final.
4) I also wasn’t a fan of the selections. Ream really shouldn’t be near the field. He’s not good enough. No Musah again, which was a bummer. Acosta was whatever to me, rather have him out there than Yueill. Llget over Musah makes no sense to me.
5) They really need to get Tyler Adam’s healthy and Chris Richards back to see what he can do next to JAB. Adams especially is sorely needed to provide cover for Dest. Speaking of Dest, like yea your a Barca player and you have sauce, but want to put in defensive effort like he has the last two games and guess what you can get your ass benched too.
6) Sargent hasn’t done enough to lockdown the forward spot, Dike/Sieb starting scoring somewhat consistently and it will be their job. Goalie should also be an open competition.
7) I wanted Tata as the USA coach but he also fucked up today, how do you not start Diego Llanez, Ariel Untena is simply not on his level. Probably would have won the game had Llanez started from the jump.
Honestly other than the mentality to come back multiple times and now they know they can beat Mexico wasn’t a whole lot of positives other than Mckennie who is making a strong case to be my favorite current player. But, to be frank I was just happy to see a win over Mexico and a competitive game even if it was just dumpy nations league, 2013 is a long time.
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I don’t know if I necessarily agree with you, I just think a lot of it is predicated on Tyler Adam’s being healthy. When he is on for Lepzig he is a pretty elite CDM. Pair that with Weston and Musah in the middle and you have a pretty dynamic ball winning box to box midfield. Maybe a little light on passing creativity but enough for a good creative coach to work with (not sure if that’s Gregg.). Chris Richards might be the big defensive player you say we need as well.HoustonHusky said:No chance we do a whole lot...the top teams have serious depth and several world class players which we are still far, far away from. Pulisic and Reyna may get there but the best teams have their engines in center midfield and a world class defender or 2...we have nada coming up the pipeline.
Dest started 23 games for Barcelona in La Liga and subbed an additional 7...out of that he had 2 goals and an assist. Also have to consider the team...having good outside backs that go forward require good center backs...look how exposed Alexander-Arnold (a much better player than Dest) was at Liverpool once van Dijk went down. Having your outside backs roam forward when Tim Ream is you covering Centerback is asking a bit too much against good competition.
Lletget is a good MLS player...big step between that and being competitive against top 20 national teams. He couldn’t see the field at West Ham so he came to MLS. He’s scored 6 or 7 goals for the US, but with the exception of the Switzerland goal they have been against Central American teams and most of which were in blowouts games. He’s serviceable, but if he’s in the rotation the idea we have a top 20 National team is probably out the door.
But yea depth is an issue. We are starting to produce some relatively good high level players, but if they go down their back ups aren’t on the same level. Contrast that with France, and it’s just a complete factory of talent. They have dudes getting bought for like 75 mil who cant get on the Euro squad. -
I’m not into Soccer like I used to, but the lack of creativity and vision the US team has shown in the past always drove me nuts. Everything was so rigid compared to how the best teams played.Edwin_Bambino said:
I don’t know if I necessarily agree with you, I just think a lot of it is predicated on Tyler Adam’s being healthy. When he is on for Lepzig he is a pretty elite CDM. Pair that with Weston and Musah in the middle and you have a pretty dynamic ball winning box to box midfield. Maybe a little light on passing creativity but enough for a good creative coach to work with (not sure if that’s Gregg.). Chris Richards might be the big defensive player you say we need as well.HoustonHusky said:No chance we do a whole lot...the top teams have serious depth and several world class players which we are still far, far away from. Pulisic and Reyna may get there but the best teams have their engines in center midfield and a world class defender or 2...we have nada coming up the pipeline.
Dest started 23 games for Barcelona in La Liga and subbed an additional 7...out of that he had 2 goals and an assist. Also have to consider the team...having good outside backs that go forward require good center backs...look how exposed Alexander-Arnold (a much better player than Dest) was at Liverpool once van Dijk went down. Having your outside backs roam forward when Tim Ream is you covering Centerback is asking a bit too much against good competition.
Lletget is a good MLS player...big step between that and being competitive against top 20 national teams. He couldn’t see the field at West Ham so he came to MLS. He’s scored 6 or 7 goals for the US, but with the exception of the Switzerland goal they have been against Central American teams and most of which were in blowouts games. He’s serviceable, but if he’s in the rotation the idea we have a top 20 National team is probably out the door.
But yea depth is an issue. We are starting to produce some relatively good high level players, but if they go down their back ups aren’t on the same level. Contrast that with France, and it’s just a complete factory of talent. They have dudes getting bought for like 75 mil who cant get on the Euro squad. -
US gold cup team was shit and they didn’t play well together. Few bright spots but somehow found a way to win. That wasn’t as big of a B squad as the us’s b squad.RoadDawg55 said:
I’m not into Soccer like I used to, but the lack of creativity and vision the US team has shown in the past always drove me nuts. Everything was so rigid compared to how the best teams played.Edwin_Bambino said:
I don’t know if I necessarily agree with you, I just think a lot of it is predicated on Tyler Adam’s being healthy. When he is on for Lepzig he is a pretty elite CDM. Pair that with Weston and Musah in the middle and you have a pretty dynamic ball winning box to box midfield. Maybe a little light on passing creativity but enough for a good creative coach to work with (not sure if that’s Gregg.). Chris Richards might be the big defensive player you say we need as well.HoustonHusky said:No chance we do a whole lot...the top teams have serious depth and several world class players which we are still far, far away from. Pulisic and Reyna may get there but the best teams have their engines in center midfield and a world class defender or 2...we have nada coming up the pipeline.
Dest started 23 games for Barcelona in La Liga and subbed an additional 7...out of that he had 2 goals and an assist. Also have to consider the team...having good outside backs that go forward require good center backs...look how exposed Alexander-Arnold (a much better player than Dest) was at Liverpool once van Dijk went down. Having your outside backs roam forward when Tim Ream is you covering Centerback is asking a bit too much against good competition.
Lletget is a good MLS player...big step between that and being competitive against top 20 national teams. He couldn’t see the field at West Ham so he came to MLS. He’s scored 6 or 7 goals for the US, but with the exception of the Switzerland goal they have been against Central American teams and most of which were in blowouts games. He’s serviceable, but if he’s in the rotation the idea we have a top 20 National team is probably out the door.
But yea depth is an issue. We are starting to produce some relatively good high level players, but if they go down their back ups aren’t on the same level. Contrast that with France, and it’s just a complete factory of talent. They have dudes getting bought for like 75 mil who cant get on the Euro squad.
I like watching the A team play tbh. Lots of distain for formation and style in this thread. I’ll take it over the days that they just tried to withstand, withstand, withstand, and then counter against better teams. -
Is the Gold Cup a joke? The lineup seemed a bit strange for a tournament you actually care about.
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Pretty much. Mexico actually sent 9 guys that were at the last tourney that the us won as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgqfxS9Ou1w
