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The Zone defense is what kills recruiting the most

BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,744
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Hawes made a good point on KJR yesterday, which may have been made within one of the 30 threads trashing Hopkins, but should be called out in its own thread. No kid wants to play zone defense.

Say anything you want about Hopkins' inability to recruit, and most of it is probably true, but I think his dipshit zone defense is the biggest barrier to recruiting. Who the hell wants to play zone if you're a high level recruit? It doesn't even work with how the modern game is played with most decent teams spacing the floor with shooters.
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,804 Founders Club
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Hawes made a good point on KJR yesterday, which may have been made within one of the 30 threads trashing Hopkins, but should be called out in its own thread. No kid wants to play zone defense.

    Say anything you want about Hopkins' inability to recruit, and most of it is probably true, but I think his dipshit zone defense is the biggest barrier to recruiting. Who the hell wants to play zone if you're a high level recruit? It doesn't even work with how the modern game is played with most decent teams spacing the floor with shooters.

    I don't follow the game as much but hasn't Syracuse fallen off the map too? For the same reason?
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  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,744
    RaceBannon said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Hawes made a good point on KJR yesterday, which may have been made within one of the 30 threads trashing Hopkins, but should be called out in its own thread. No kid wants to play zone defense.

    Say anything you want about Hopkins' inability to recruit, and most of it is probably true, but I think his dipshit zone defense is the biggest barrier to recruiting. Who the hell wants to play zone if you're a high level recruit? It doesn't even work with how the modern game is played with most decent teams spacing the floor with shooters.

    I don't follow the game as much but hasn't Syracuse fallen off the map too? For the same reason?
    No clue if it's entirely due to the zone, Boeheim being a scumbag, or abundance, but per 247 Syracuse's recruiting rankings the past 5 years are:

    72nd in 2021
    40th in 2020
    33rd in 2019
    43rd in 2018
    38th in 2017
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  • AtomicDawgAtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,156 Standard Supporter
    Neighbor2972 said:

    Nah, I don't think top recruits care about playing defense at all.

    It was just a year ago we got two top 5 recruits to come in and play the zone. Hop's recruiting is bad now, but not being able to develop any type of offense, or develop player's offensive skillsets has been the main issue.

    Kids don’t care about defense all that much. I am sure some orospects know they should play man to man. That being said you should recruit a certain kind of athlete to play in the zone. Hakim Warrick types are made for it. You can’t have short guys on the back line.

    Syracuse again sits in the sweet 16 this year with a shit offense and subpar recruits. Their defense is hard to figure out for some.

    I don’t care if we are a bennet ball, zags, Syracuse west or a full court press type of program. You can win any number of ways. A good coach is the key and we don’t have one.
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  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,744
    Hawes played on the AAU circuits and in the league and the guys he came up with now have kids getting at the age of being recruited. He's pretty plugged in and was adamant that the zone scheme harms recruiting. It does make 50% of the game unscoutable, if that's even a word.

    Syracuse was 18-9 and finished 8th in their conference. Teams can always have fluke runs in the tournament.
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  • QuietcowskeeQuietcowskee Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,508 Swaye's Wigwam
    There must be truth in this but crootin is probably down because we shat ourselves and finished last for 2 straight years.
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  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,931
    Zones have their place but can also be exploited pretty easily by people that no what they are doing

    Bigger picture is regardless if defensive scheme you need a roster bought into it
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  • OreDawgOreDawg Member Posts: 665
    Tequilla said:

    Zones have their place but can also be exploited pretty easily by people that no what they are doing

    Bigger picture is regardless if defensive scheme you need a roster bought into it

    I think zones get exploited by teams that are used to that specific zone, though a good 2-3 is tough to beat. The real magic is in the tourney when no one you okay has seen it before. Why Syracuse frequently goes further than their seed
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