Who here has invested in art as a way to both diversify your risk and also enjoy your investment while you have it?
I'm considering it.
I wouldn’t. It’s once of the most illiquid assets around.
This is not to say don’t buy art...absolutely do! But buy it because you love the piece.
If you do want to get serious about it, treat it as a long term venture. You’ll need to start doing lots of research into it: what styles do you gravitate towards? Are you into sculpture or paintings? Also learn the terminology.
Once you know what you like you’ll want to start going to exhibit openings, auctions, art fairs. Then make relationships with galleries, dealers, and if at all possible, the artists themselves.
Oh, and if you buy something for the long haul, be prepared to take of it. It will need to dusted/handled/displayed carefully.
True enough about liquidity. Stipulated. But you can always sell the right art. Not quickly, but you can sell it. The idea is a unique diversification that I understand. I don't understand crypto, and it has limited history. Art has held value for eons. It was no random hobby that inspired the Nazis pilfered France of great art and tried to keep it as they retreated.
Yes, all those points are good ones. You have to go through a rigorous authentication process, and you have to have someone on your side. I posted about this a couple months ago. I have a contact in Boston who knows this shit and has invested herself. Her access includes, among other big names, varied works by Chagall, which really can range in price depending on what you get. But you're going to spend a lot of $$ even for a lower-end piece. I break it down like this:
Good: the value increase has been steady and there's no reason to think that will change (he's been dead for a while now); I like his work; I can look at it and enjoy it during the investment period.
Bad: I will likely overpay, as the market for fine art is inefficient; I will have to make arrangements to really secure my house, I'll have to add a rider to my homeowners, I will have to get some kind of safe or something in my house so I can go on vacation and not worry about it and I will have to lie to my friends and say it's a fake; and, lastly, to your point, I can never use it for "need money fast" or I will take a bath.
Art is a legitimate alternative. I mean, when you stop and think about it, it is AT LEAST as rational as buying a metal brick.
Who here has invested in art as a way to both diversify your risk and also enjoy your investment while you have it?
I'm considering it.
I wouldn’t. It’s once of the most illiquid assets around.
This is not to say don’t buy art...absolutely do! But buy it because you love the piece.
If you do want to get serious about it, treat it as a long term venture. You’ll need to start doing lots of research into it: what styles do you gravitate towards? Are you into sculpture or paintings? Also learn the terminology.
Once you know what you like you’ll want to start going to exhibit openings, auctions, art fairs. Then make relationships with galleries, dealers, and if at all possible, the artists themselves.
Oh, and if you buy something for the long haul, be prepared to take of it. It will need to dusted/handled/displayed carefully.
Well this NFT gem brought $130,000 and it's on the blockchain. So.... If a blockchain impressionist master isn't your speed you could have this self portrait, blockchain's own Vincent Van Go
Open your mind woman!
So I'm busting my ass here for like two months trying to breathe life into you're board, and THIS is what brings you back?
I now hate you as much as you hate me. 7-11, Sunday evening. You know which one. And don't be a no-show like four eyes in the Tug. I know how to drive to Tacoma.
I create and then lose interest and wander away and somebody else gets the glory. Podcasts, new boreds, inside dope on team and recruiting and you have the audacity to invent this imaginary feud?
Who here has invested in art as a way to both diversify your risk and also enjoy your investment while you have it?
I'm considering it.
I wouldn’t. It’s once of the most illiquid assets around.
This is not to say don’t buy art...absolutely do! But buy it because you love the piece.
If you do want to get serious about it, treat it as a long term venture. You’ll need to start doing lots of research into it: what styles do you gravitate towards? Are you into sculpture or paintings? Also learn the terminology.
Once you know what you like you’ll want to start going to exhibit openings, auctions, art fairs. Then make relationships with galleries, dealers, and if at all possible, the artists themselves.
Oh, and if you buy something for the long haul, be prepared to take of it. It will need to dusted/handled/displayed carefully.
Well this NFT gem brought $130,000 and it's on the blockchain. So.... If a blockchain impressionist master isn't your speed you could have this self portrait, blockchain's own Vincent Van Go
Open your mind woman!
So I'm busting my ass here for like two months trying to breathe life into you're board, and THIS is what brings you back?
I now hate you as much as you hate me. 7-11, Sunday evening. You know which one. And don't be a no-show like four eyes in the Tug. I know how to drive to Tacoma.
I create and then lose interest and wander away and somebody else gets the glory. Podcasts, new boreds, inside dope on team and recruiting and you have the audacity to invent this imaginary feud?
Congrats on your free ride on my coattails.
Fixed that for you
I've been playing that "you hate me" malarkey with him for years and (1) he's too fucking stupid to get it, (2) he takes himself so fucking seriously that he can't be bothered to trade a little humorous shit talk (i.e., no sense of humor) or (3) he's just a fucking lightweight. I'm going with abundance.
But the Lulz of the week was the "I had a few days to kill" line. Nuclear Lulz. Thanks for taking time out of your busy life Elon. What a fucking ego on this dude. "I create". More Lulz.
Our Floundering Father making an ass of himself in his old neighborhood.
Who here has invested in art as a way to both diversify your risk and also enjoy your investment while you have it?
I'm considering it.
I wouldn’t. It’s once of the most illiquid assets around.
This is not to say don’t buy art...absolutely do! But buy it because you love the piece.
If you do want to get serious about it, treat it as a long term venture. You’ll need to start doing lots of research into it: what styles do you gravitate towards? Are you into sculpture or paintings? Also learn the terminology.
Once you know what you like you’ll want to start going to exhibit openings, auctions, art fairs. Then make relationships with galleries, dealers, and if at all possible, the artists themselves.
Oh, and if you buy something for the long haul, be prepared to take of it. It will need to dusted/handled/displayed carefully.
Well this NFT gem brought $130,000 and it's on the blockchain. So.... If a blockchain impressionist master isn't your speed you could have this self portrait, blockchain's own Vincent Van Go
Open your mind woman!
So I'm busting my ass here for like two months trying to breathe life into you're board, and THIS is what brings you back?
I now hate you as much as you hate me. 7-11, Sunday evening. You know which one. And don't be a no-show like four eyes in the Tug. I know how to drive to Tacoma.
I create and then lose interest and wander away and somebody else gets the glory. Podcasts, new boreds, inside dope on team and recruiting and you have the audacity to invent this imaginary feud?
Congrats on your free ride on my coattails.
Fixed that for you
I've been playing that "you hate me" malarkey with him for years and (1) he's too fucking stupid to get it, (2) he takes himself so fucking seriously that he can't be bothered to trade a little humorous shit talk (i.e., no sense of humor) or (3) he's just a fucking lightweight. I'm going with abundance.
But the Lulz of the week was the "I had a few days to kill" line. Nuclear Lulz. Thanks for taking time out of your busy life Elon. What a fucking ego on this dude. "I create". More Lulz.
Our Floundering Father making an ass of himself in his old neighborhood.
Who here has invested in art as a way to both diversify your risk and also enjoy your investment while you have it?
I'm considering it.
I wouldn’t. It’s once of the most illiquid assets around.
This is not to say don’t buy art...absolutely do! But buy it because you love the piece.
If you do want to get serious about it, treat it as a long term venture. You’ll need to start doing lots of research into it: what styles do you gravitate towards? Are you into sculpture or paintings? Also learn the terminology.
Once you know what you like you’ll want to start going to exhibit openings, auctions, art fairs. Then make relationships with galleries, dealers, and if at all possible, the artists themselves.
Oh, and if you buy something for the long haul, be prepared to take of it. It will need to dusted/handled/displayed carefully.
Well this NFT gem brought $130,000 and it's on the blockchain. So.... If a blockchain impressionist master isn't your speed you could have this self portrait, blockchain's own Vincent Van Go
Open your mind woman!
So I'm busting my ass here for like two months trying to breathe life into you're board, and THIS is what brings you back?
I now hate you as much as you hate me. 7-11, Sunday evening. You know which one. And don't be a no-show like four eyes in the Tug. I know how to drive to Tacoma.
I create and then lose interest and wander away and somebody else gets the glory. Podcasts, new boreds, inside dope on team and recruiting and you have the audacity to invent this imaginary feud?
Congrats on your free ride on my coattails.
Fixed that for you
I've been playing that "you hate me" malarkey with him for years and (1) he's too fucking stupid to get it, (2) he takes himself so fucking seriously that he can't be bothered to trade a little humorous shit talk (i.e., no sense of humor) or (3) he's just a fucking lightweight. I'm going with abundance.
But the Lulz of the week was the "I had a few days to kill" line. Nuclear Lulz. Thanks for taking time out of your busy life Elon. What a fucking ego on this dude. "I create". More Lulz.
Our Floundering Father making an ass of himself in his old neighborhood.
Who here has invested in art as a way to both diversify your risk and also enjoy your investment while you have it?
I'm considering it.
I wouldn’t. It’s once of the most illiquid assets around.
This is not to say don’t buy art...absolutely do! But buy it because you love the piece.
If you do want to get serious about it, treat it as a long term venture. You’ll need to start doing lots of research into it: what styles do you gravitate towards? Are you into sculpture or paintings? Also learn the terminology.
Once you know what you like you’ll want to start going to exhibit openings, auctions, art fairs. Then make relationships with galleries, dealers, and if at all possible, the artists themselves.
Oh, and if you buy something for the long haul, be prepared to take of it. It will need to dusted/handled/displayed carefully.
Well this NFT gem brought $130,000 and it's on the blockchain. So.... If a blockchain impressionist master isn't your speed you could have this self portrait, blockchain's own Vincent Van Go
Open your mind woman!
So I'm busting my ass here for like two months trying to breathe life into you're board, and THIS is what brings you back?
I now hate you as much as you hate me. 7-11, Sunday evening. You know which one. And don't be a no-show like four eyes in the Tug. I know how to drive to Tacoma.
I create and then lose interest and wander away and somebody else gets the glory. Podcasts, new boreds, inside dope on team and recruiting and you have the audacity to invent this imaginary feud?
Congrats on your free ride on my coattails.
Fixed that for you
I've been playing that "you hate me" malarkey with him for years and (1) he's too fucking stupid to get it, (2) he takes himself so fucking seriously that he can't be bothered to trade a little humorous shit talk (i.e., no sense of humor) or (3) he's just a fucking lightweight. I'm going with abundance.
But the Lulz of the week was the "I had a few days to kill" line. Nuclear Lulz. Thanks for taking time out of your busy life Elon. What a fucking ego on this dude. "I create". More Lulz.
Our Floundering Father making an ass of himself in his old neighborhood.
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
What happened to him?
He was posting some very, very inappropriate pictures.
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
What happened to him?
He was posting some very, very inappropriate pictures.
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
What happened to him?
He was posting some very, very inappropriate pictures.
So he was a libertarian after all
That's one word for it. Others would say pedophile.
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
What happened to him?
He was posting some very, very inappropriate pictures.
So he was a libertarian after all
That's one word for it. Others would say pedophile.
In colorado they’re the same thing. There’s a reason that eliminating/lowering age of consent laws is always in their top 3 priorities
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
What happened to him?
He was posting some very, very inappropriate pictures.
Point of technical clarification: the pictures put him on double secret probation. Then something else happened, I forget ... I think it was some @brents stuff (RIP), and the proverbial straw then broke the camel's back.
There aren't a lot of rules in Fight Club. You can say "fuck you" any one of a million ways, and you can do it incessantly without adding any value ever, and Stalin will leave you be. But some super low threshold-level of emotional restraint is required. I've noticed that it's the guys who just can't pull that off are who tend to get bounced. I'm still shocked when anyone finally reaches Stalin's breaking point. You almost have to try to do it. My view on it is, if @creepycoug is still here after all this time, you need a long walk on the beach and time in front of the mirror, or outright cognitive behavioral therapy, or abundance, if you can't manage to stay in good standing here.
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
What happened to him?
He was posting some very, very inappropriate pictures.
Point of technical clarification: the pictures put him on double secret probation. Then something else happened, I forget ... I think it was some @brents stuff (RIP), and the proverbial straw then broke the camel's back.
There aren't a lot of rules in Fight Club. You can say "fuck you" any one of a million ways, and you can do it incessantly without adding any value ever, and Stalin will leave you be. But some super low threshold-level of emotional restraint is required. I've noticed that it's the guys who just can't pull that off are who tend to get bounced. I'm still shocked when anyone finally reaches Stalin's breaking point. You almost have to try to do it. My view on it is, if @creepycoug is still here after all this time, you need a long walk on the beach and time in front of the mirror, or outright cognitive behavioral therapy, or abundance, if you can't manage to stay in good standing here.
I've certainly been embroiled in such contests, as you well know.
But not today. This bore walks away from his own idea and casually swings around out of nowhere (with a few days to kill, lolz), drops three third-person referenced posts on successful stock picks (a limitation of his intellectual interests that caused this board to be a mausoleum in the first place), immediately bleeds out in response to some good natured ribbing from yours truly, and then makes clear why he was here in the first place, which I guess was to name drop his new stock pick pay board ... or whatever.
And @NorthwestFresh , RIP, used to say I'm arrogant. Jimminny Christmas.
What happened to him?
He was posting some very, very inappropriate pictures.
Point of technical clarification: the pictures put him on double secret probation. Then something else happened, I forget ... I think it was some @brents stuff (RIP), and the proverbial straw then broke the camel's back.
There aren't a lot of rules in Fight Club. You can say "fuck you" any one of a million ways, and you can do it incessantly without adding any value ever, and Stalin will leave you be. But some super low threshold-level of emotional restraint is required. I've noticed that it's the guys who just can't pull that off are who tend to get bounced. I'm still shocked when anyone finally reaches Stalin's breaking point. You almost have to try to do it. My view on it is, if @creepycoug is still here after all this time, you need a long walk on the beach and time in front of the mirror, or outright cognitive behavioral therapy, or abundance, if you can't manage to stay in good standing here.
Consider comic books. They’re art. They don’t decline in value, at least the right ones don’t. They’re actually more of an investment vehicle for the well off than they are for sweaty nerds to stare at. Although they play a part in market equilibrium and some sweaty nerds are also well off.
Very liquid. Physically small. If so inclined they make excellent decorations in their air proof glass cases. I had never cared for comic books because I grew up in an era that had cable TV and video games, plus I liked sports and had human non make believe friends.
I’m actually a big art guy, but the valuation of art that you or I could afford is not a sound investment. Comics on the other hand are very sensical. It didn’t take me long to figure it out. There’s a system, there are universally agreed upon prices, and even turds no one wants contain some value. The big drawback is that condition is 95% of value and those things are fragile. Like Noah Sewell, but they don’t get back up. Some creasing can make a five or six figure difference. Whether you’re storing them in a safe or displaying them you won’t be handling them, just something to keep in mind.
Here’s a few of mine. Not my most valuable or graded, although some are fairly rare, but I’m curious if this will elicit a “take it to the tug” since 1940s comics are incredibly racist. I am serious about the comics as an art investment though.
Consider comic books. They’re art. They don’t decline in value, at least the right ones don’t. They’re actually more of an investment vehicle for the well off than they are for sweaty nerds to stare at. Although they play a part in market equilibrium and some sweaty nerds are also well off.
Very liquid. Physically small. If so inclined they make excellent decorations in their air proof glass cases. I had never cared for comic books because I grew up in an era that had cable TV and video games, plus I liked sports and had human non make believe friends.
I’m actually a big art guy, but the valuation of art that you or I could afford is not a sound investment. Comics on the other hand are very sensical. It didn’t take me long to figure it out. There’s a system, there are universally agreed upon prices, and even turds no one wants contain some value. The big drawback is that condition is 95% of value and those things are fragile. Like Noah Sewell, but they don’t get back up. Some creasing can make a five or six figure difference. Whether you’re storing them in a safe or displaying them you won’t be handling them, just something to keep in mind.
Here’s a few of mine. Not my most valuable or graded, although some are fairly rare, but I’m curious if this will elicit a “take it to the tug” since 1940s comics are incredibly racist. I am serious about the comics as an art investment though.
Chintresting. I'm going to do some research on this over the weekend and get back to you with some follow-up. Thanks for the tip.
PS: Are you sure it makes nice wall hangings?
PSS: You can buy a Chagall signed original etching and even an original drawing in the $40,000 to $60,000 range. But yeah, you're normally going to go into north of a hundy. It's not like buying the super duper rare and old stuff that goes in the millions. Some Chagalls go for that much. But he produced a fair amount of work and he's not been dead for 200 years.
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Yes, all those points are good ones. You have to go through a rigorous authentication process, and you have to have someone on your side. I posted about this a couple months ago. I have a contact in Boston who knows this shit and has invested herself. Her access includes, among other big names, varied works by Chagall, which really can range in price depending on what you get. But you're going to spend a lot of $$ even for a lower-end piece. I break it down like this:
Good: the value increase has been steady and there's no reason to think that will change (he's been dead for a while now); I like his work; I can look at it and enjoy it during the investment period.
Bad: I will likely overpay, as the market for fine art is inefficient; I will have to make arrangements to really secure my house, I'll have to add a rider to my homeowners, I will have to get some kind of safe or something in my house so I can go on vacation and not worry about it and I will have to lie to my friends and say it's a fake; and, lastly, to your point, I can never use it for "need money fast" or I will take a bath.
Art is a legitimate alternative. I mean, when you stop and think about it, it is AT LEAST as rational as buying a metal brick.
Kudos.
But the Lulz of the week was the "I had a few days to kill" line. Nuclear Lulz. Thanks for taking time out of your busy life Elon. What a fucking ego on this dude. "I create". More Lulz.
Our Floundering Father making an ass of himself in his old neighborhood.
@Baseman
@RaceBannon
There aren't a lot of rules in Fight Club. You can say "fuck you" any one of a million ways, and you can do it incessantly without adding any value ever, and Stalin will leave you be. But some super low threshold-level of emotional restraint is required. I've noticed that it's the guys who just can't pull that off are who tend to get bounced. I'm still shocked when anyone finally reaches Stalin's breaking point. You almost have to try to do it. My view on it is, if @creepycoug is still here after all this time, you need a long walk on the beach and time in front of the mirror, or outright cognitive behavioral therapy, or abundance, if you can't manage to stay in good standing here.
Go Fucketh thyself.
#classy.
Very liquid. Physically small. If so inclined they make excellent decorations in their air proof glass cases. I had never cared for comic books because I grew up in an era that had cable TV and video games, plus I liked sports and had human non make believe friends.
I’m actually a big art guy, but the valuation of art that you or I could afford is not a sound investment. Comics on the other hand are very sensical. It didn’t take me long to figure it out. There’s a system, there are universally agreed upon prices, and even turds no one wants contain some value. The big drawback is that condition is 95% of value and those things are fragile. Like Noah Sewell, but they don’t get back up. Some creasing can make a five or six figure difference. Whether you’re storing them in a safe or displaying them you won’t be handling them, just something to keep in mind.
Here’s a few of mine. Not my most valuable or graded, although some are fairly rare, but I’m curious if this will elicit a “take it to the tug” since 1940s comics are incredibly racist. I am serious about the comics as an art investment though.
PS: Are you sure it makes nice wall hangings?
PSS: You can buy a Chagall signed original etching and even an original drawing in the $40,000 to $60,000 range. But yeah, you're normally going to go into north of a hundy. It's not like buying the super duper rare and old stuff that goes in the millions. Some Chagalls go for that much. But he produced a fair amount of work and he's not been dead for 200 years.
Seems like an Uber-elite game to me. But what do I know.