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If Hop stays, couple big men in the transfer portal they could look at.
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There’s two Spokane kids at EWU - and they are brothers.BroadcastingDawg said:
I'm not against signing coaches from smaller conferences... but if we're going to the Big Sky to get a head coach we're beyond fucked.PurpleThrobber said:
If those recruits are that covered, it further solidifies Hop is a fucktard of a coach.BroadcastingDawg said:
You keep trying to paint everything the Huskies have done in this ultra negative light.FremontTroll said:
Christ you’re bad at this. I mean I understand you are taking an indefensible position and I give you credit for that but at least try to read.BroadcastingDawg said:
Ah right. Hop shouldn't have recruited him. Big mistake to get a McDonald's All American.FremontTroll said:
Arguing that the one recruit Hop landed over the last two cycles means anything other than nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitas 32 times in a row is ridiculous.BroadcastingDawg said:
I didn't say they weren't higher interest.PurpleThrobber said:
Hop landed a 6'9" white boy from Oly.BroadcastingDawg said:
I mean that’s fine... except Hop just landed a 6’9 McDonalds All American PF in Jackson Grant...PurpleThrobber said:What makes you think big guys would come to Hop for development?
These guys want PT and a chance to go to the next level.
If you're a big, the first place you're going is Gonzaga.
Hell, not even sure UW would be third in the State of Washington after watching the two bigs at WSU develop this year.
So I’m not really sure recruits buy your narrative... and It’s not like I’m presenting these transfers as NBA-level ability talent... they’re solid, not special, but better than what we have.
Gonzaga is one of the finalists for the Gatorade National Player of the Year in 7'1" Chet Holgren.
You realize why Gonzaga might be a little higher interest for bigs than UW?
And Jackson and Abogidi are so far ahead of Grant, it's not even close.
But getting a McDonald's All American Power Forward is a far cry from whatever the hell it is you're saying.
And Chet Holmgren has a ton of talent, but he's also a twig. I'll be surprised if he gets much playing time w. the Bulldogs until he puts on a good 30 lbs.
We can all agree he’s a nice guy. Great. He has failed at nearly every facet of his current job.
We're the worst team in the world and woe is us and fire Hop and the AD.
I didn’t argue anything about Grant as a recruit. My point was pretty clearly that you need to win more than ONE recruiting battle in two cycles.
Your roster size argument is bullshit. First of all we only ended up with a full roster by taking rejects from other programs as backups when we couldn’t recruit anyone. Second, Romar math. There is always room and that is especially true with ad much dead weight as Hop is currently carrying.
31 offers. 1 signee. Dead man walking. Everyone sees it.
Stevenson, Bajema and Brooks are not "rejects from other programs"...
Stevenson played in all 37 games as a frosh and was their 2nd leading scorer as a soph. for a solid ass program in Wichita St.
Michigan, who is currently ranked 4th in the country, offered and brought Bajema in, who was a top-100 recruit.
Brooks was also a top-100 guy.
You act like these guys were 1-star shit heads from Bellingham who Hop had to take because he failed recruiting. Nonsense...
Look into what Shontay Liggems has done at EWU. Broom hop and bring in a guy who can recruit and develop players. Groves was a marginal D-1 player out of high school. He’s now the Big Sky MVP.
The dude can coach and recruit. He’d kill it at UW.
Especially when 75% of his roster is made up of white kids from Spokane.
Ritchie McKay could be a name to look at... Liberty was 28-6 in 2019 and beat a 5 seed Miss St. in the tournament, 30-4 last year and are 23-5 this year... they routinely beat power conference teams on their schedule. He went to SPU, was an assistant at UW in the mid 90's... head coach at OSU for 2 years in the early 2000's but his record wasn't special.
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You can throw the recruiting ranking out the window once a guy comes into a program and doesn’t do anything. Pretty rare that a player in any sport transfers because they aren’t playing, to an equivalent level, and then becomes great. Those are roster filler transfers.BroadcastingDawg said:
You keep trying to paint everything the Huskies have done in this ultra negative light.FremontTroll said:
Christ you’re bad at this. I mean I understand you are taking an indefensible position and I give you credit for that but at least try to read.BroadcastingDawg said:
Ah right. Hop shouldn't have recruited him. Big mistake to get a McDonald's All American.FremontTroll said:
Arguing that the one recruit Hop landed over the last two cycles means anything other than nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitas 32 times in a row is ridiculous.BroadcastingDawg said:
I didn't say they weren't higher interest.PurpleThrobber said:
Hop landed a 6'9" white boy from Oly.BroadcastingDawg said:
I mean that’s fine... except Hop just landed a 6’9 McDonalds All American PF in Jackson Grant...PurpleThrobber said:What makes you think big guys would come to Hop for development?
These guys want PT and a chance to go to the next level.
If you're a big, the first place you're going is Gonzaga.
Hell, not even sure UW would be third in the State of Washington after watching the two bigs at WSU develop this year.
So I’m not really sure recruits buy your narrative... and It’s not like I’m presenting these transfers as NBA-level ability talent... they’re solid, not special, but better than what we have.
Gonzaga is one of the finalists for the Gatorade National Player of the Year in 7'1" Chet Holgren.
You realize why Gonzaga might be a little higher interest for bigs than UW?
And Jackson and Abogidi are so far ahead of Grant, it's not even close.
But getting a McDonald's All American Power Forward is a far cry from whatever the hell it is you're saying.
And Chet Holmgren has a ton of talent, but he's also a twig. I'll be surprised if he gets much playing time w. the Bulldogs until he puts on a good 30 lbs.
We can all agree he’s a nice guy. Great. He has failed at nearly every facet of his current job.
We're the worst team in the world and woe is us and fire Hop and the AD.
I didn’t argue anything about Grant as a recruit. My point was pretty clearly that you need to win more than ONE recruiting battle in two cycles.
Your roster size argument is bullshit. First of all we only ended up with a full roster by taking rejects from other programs as backups when we couldn’t recruit anyone. Second, Romar math. There is always room and that is especially true with ad much dead weight as Hop is currently carrying.
31 offers. 1 signee. Dead man walking. Everyone sees it.
Stevenson, Bajema and Brooks are not "rejects from other programs"...
Stevenson played in all 37 games as a frosh and was their 2nd leading scorer as a soph. for a solid ass program in Wichita St.
Michigan, who is currently ranked 4th in the country, offered and brought Bajema in, who was a top-100 recruit.
Brooks was also a top-100 guy.
You act like these guys were 1-star shit heads from Bellingham who Hop had to take because he failed recruiting. Nonsense...
I never watched Stevenson at Wichita State to know how he was at one point the leading scorer on a nationally ranked team. Maybe the hot streak of his life. I also know he then started sucking and losing playing time and had a lot of shit to say about Marshall on his way out.
That none of these guys are panning out just proves my point. Hopkins wasn’t bringing in transfers that proved themselves elsewhere he was bringing in roster fillers because he can’t recruit anyone.
Now we are where we are. Where the biggest doog in the universe (you) thinks maybe, possibly, if we can get a good big via the portal and everything else lines up right we might finish middle of the conference next season.
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I’ll also add, three of the four coaches in the PAC 12 semis are former Big Sky coaches. Big Sky coach just won the tourney and is going dancing.PurpleThrobber said:
There’s two Spokane kids at EWU - and they are brothers.BroadcastingDawg said:
I'm not against signing coaches from smaller conferences... but if we're going to the Big Sky to get a head coach we're beyond fucked.PurpleThrobber said:
If those recruits are that covered, it further solidifies Hop is a fucktard of a coach.BroadcastingDawg said:
You keep trying to paint everything the Huskies have done in this ultra negative light.FremontTroll said:
Christ you’re bad at this. I mean I understand you are taking an indefensible position and I give you credit for that but at least try to read.BroadcastingDawg said:
Ah right. Hop shouldn't have recruited him. Big mistake to get a McDonald's All American.FremontTroll said:
Arguing that the one recruit Hop landed over the last two cycles means anything other than nobody beats Vitas Gerulaitas 32 times in a row is ridiculous.BroadcastingDawg said:
I didn't say they weren't higher interest.PurpleThrobber said:
Hop landed a 6'9" white boy from Oly.BroadcastingDawg said:
I mean that’s fine... except Hop just landed a 6’9 McDonalds All American PF in Jackson Grant...PurpleThrobber said:What makes you think big guys would come to Hop for development?
These guys want PT and a chance to go to the next level.
If you're a big, the first place you're going is Gonzaga.
Hell, not even sure UW would be third in the State of Washington after watching the two bigs at WSU develop this year.
So I’m not really sure recruits buy your narrative... and It’s not like I’m presenting these transfers as NBA-level ability talent... they’re solid, not special, but better than what we have.
Gonzaga is one of the finalists for the Gatorade National Player of the Year in 7'1" Chet Holgren.
You realize why Gonzaga might be a little higher interest for bigs than UW?
And Jackson and Abogidi are so far ahead of Grant, it's not even close.
But getting a McDonald's All American Power Forward is a far cry from whatever the hell it is you're saying.
And Chet Holmgren has a ton of talent, but he's also a twig. I'll be surprised if he gets much playing time w. the Bulldogs until he puts on a good 30 lbs.
We can all agree he’s a nice guy. Great. He has failed at nearly every facet of his current job.
We're the worst team in the world and woe is us and fire Hop and the AD.
I didn’t argue anything about Grant as a recruit. My point was pretty clearly that you need to win more than ONE recruiting battle in two cycles.
Your roster size argument is bullshit. First of all we only ended up with a full roster by taking rejects from other programs as backups when we couldn’t recruit anyone. Second, Romar math. There is always room and that is especially true with ad much dead weight as Hop is currently carrying.
31 offers. 1 signee. Dead man walking. Everyone sees it.
Stevenson, Bajema and Brooks are not "rejects from other programs"...
Stevenson played in all 37 games as a frosh and was their 2nd leading scorer as a soph. for a solid ass program in Wichita St.
Michigan, who is currently ranked 4th in the country, offered and brought Bajema in, who was a top-100 recruit.
Brooks was also a top-100 guy.
You act like these guys were 1-star shit heads from Bellingham who Hop had to take because he failed recruiting. Nonsense...
Look into what Shontay Liggems has done at EWU. Broom hop and bring in a guy who can recruit and develop players. Groves was a marginal D-1 player out of high school. He’s now the Big Sky MVP.
The dude can coach and recruit. He’d kill it at UW.
Especially when 75% of his roster is made up of white kids from Spokane.
Ritchie McKay could be a name to look at... Liberty was 28-6 in 2019 and beat a 5 seed Miss St. in the tournament, 30-4 last year and are 23-5 this year... they routinely beat power conference teams on their schedule. He went to SPU, was an assistant at UW in the mid 90's... head coach at OSU for 2 years in the early 2000's but his record wasn't special.
Don’t make me go historical with the likes of Mike Montgomery and Jud Heathcote
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Ritchie McKay. Please bring him to Montlake. That would be epic.
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Assistant for Tony Bennett at Virginia... Bennett personally sought him out.Tequilla said:No on Ritchie McKay ... are you kidding me?
"He earned a master’s degree in the packline defense and learned how Bennett built his program. That time also afforded him the ability to take a step back and redefine himself as a coach. It also gave him a sense of renewal both on and off the court. He was able to watch a program get built from the ground up at a different perspective... I got a chance just to serve Tony (Bennett), but I also got to watch him. That was just like a classroom. I learned a whole lot and got a chance to pour into some players. I just think it helped reshape my intentions in being in coaching, as well as, obviously, the basketball part. I was better equipped to be a head coach.”
And you can't scoff at the results... Liberty has been freaking good despite being the leader in obtuse Christian schools. -
You think local recruiting is bad now, try attracting Seattle kids to play Bennett Ball.BroadcastingDawg said:
Assistant for Tony Bennett at Virginia... Bennett personally sought him out.Tequilla said:No on Ritchie McKay ... are you kidding me?
"He earned a master’s degree in the packline defense and learned how Bennett built his program. That time also afforded him the ability to take a step back and redefine himself as a coach. It also gave him a sense of renewal both on and off the court. He was able to watch a program get built from the ground up at a different perspective... I got a chance just to serve Tony (Bennett), but I also got to watch him. That was just like a classroom. I learned a whole lot and got a chance to pour into some players. I just think it helped reshape my intentions in being in coaching, as well as, obviously, the basketball part. I was better equipped to be a head coach.”
And you can't scoff at the results... Liberty has been freaking good despite being the leader in obtuse Christian schools.
Nate and BRoy just lost their shit.
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I couldn't care less what Nate and BRoy think. Who gives a shit about them? What have they done to help the program the last 4 seasons? Diddly shit.PurpleThrobber said:
You think local recruiting is bad now, try attracting Seattle kids to play Bennett Ball.BroadcastingDawg said:
Assistant for Tony Bennett at Virginia... Bennett personally sought him out.Tequilla said:No on Ritchie McKay ... are you kidding me?
"He earned a master’s degree in the packline defense and learned how Bennett built his program. That time also afforded him the ability to take a step back and redefine himself as a coach. It also gave him a sense of renewal both on and off the court. He was able to watch a program get built from the ground up at a different perspective... I got a chance just to serve Tony (Bennett), but I also got to watch him. That was just like a classroom. I learned a whole lot and got a chance to pour into some players. I just think it helped reshape my intentions in being in coaching, as well as, obviously, the basketball part. I was better equipped to be a head coach.”
And you can't scoff at the results... Liberty has been freaking good despite being the leader in obtuse Christian schools.
Nate and BRoy just lost their shit.
It's a brand of basketball that wins... Virginia has had no issues recruiting and they're fighting w. Duke and UNC + a much better overall conference for recruits. -
Ritchie = Lionel
Please bring him in. I beg you, Allah, Jen and her gadzooks to make this happen. -
Look who feels the need to chime in now that little OSU made the big dance for the second time in 32 years.
What are you begging for? Whoever UW hires doesn't change the fact that 17-12, 10-10 and lucky run through the conference tournament is literally the best OSU will ever hope for.
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Fuck off ya Noob.BroadcastingDawg said:
Look who feels the need to chime in now that little OSU made the big dance for the second time in 32 years.
Imagine 17-12, 10-10 is literally the best you can ever hope for.
I chime in whenever and wherever I want.
You can continue to suck the lil generals snicker all you want. Bring him in; it’ll prove me right. -
The game of basketball is changing and shifting away from a heavy D focus to focus on offensive skill
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They don’t call it McKay ball.Tequilla said:The game of basketball is changing and shifting away from a heavy D focus to focus on offensive skill
I have zero desire supporting Bennett ball
Why go to UW when you can go to UVA - a school that actually gives a fuck about basketball - and play for the namesake himself and a guy who has won a natty?
You don’t think Tony Bennett has a line on every player in the State of Washington who could shine in his system? He did spend a few years around here.
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And Legans is somehow better...? Some moron who played at CAL forever ago... who made a Big Sky program competitive in one of the worst leagues in America and only has experience coaching 1-star white kids?PurpleThrobber said:
They don’t call it McKay ball.Tequilla said:The game of basketball is changing and shifting away from a heavy D focus to focus on offensive skill
I have zero desire supporting Bennett ball
Why go to UW when you can go to UVA - a school that actually gives a fuck about basketball - and play for the namesake himself and a guy who has won a natty?
You don’t think Tony Bennett has a line on every player in the State of Washington who could shine in his system? He did spend a few years around here.
Richie McKay...Jesus Christ.
He doesn't have a single player on his roster who is from the Western side of the state. He has 0 ties to anyone worth a damn in the state of Washington... and the school he coaches at is in a shittier version of Spokane.
On what planet do kids come play for the Dawgs under this nobody?
At least McKay went to SPU and coached at UW which means he knows what the Western side of the state looks like and probably still has connections within the program... he reinvented himself under a coaching regime that won a natty, he is known as a great recruiter.... and his Liberty teams have been elite, far superior to Eastern's. -
Get the Ritchie McKay talk out of here
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Have you seen me back him?BroadcastingDawg said:
Washington shouldn’t be looking at bottom tier conference coaches without a significantly established track record of success ... which is not true at Eastern at this point.
You want to know what that looks like?
You lose 1 conference game in 3 years.
You win 3 straight conference tournaments.
You win NCAA games 2 out of 3 years.
That’s Brad Underwood’s resume at Stephen F Austin
Now, you want to go dig at the depths of the NCAAs and find me a resume like that I’m listening ... even in the Big Sky
But don’t bring me the resume of somebody not dominating in a lower tier conference and try to sell me that that coach will dominate at Washington -
Then do me a favor and jump on Purple Throbber for his coaching suggestion and quit jumping on me like it's the cool thing to do.Tequilla said:
Have you seen me back him?BroadcastingDawg said:
Washington shouldn’t be looking at bottom tier conference coaches without a significantly established track record of success ... which is not true at Eastern at this point.
You want to know what that looks like?
You lose 1 conference game in 3 years.
You win 3 straight conference tournaments.
You win NCAA games 2 out of 3 years.
That’s Brad Underwood’s resume at Stephen F Austin
Now, you want to go dig at the depths of the NCAAs and find me a resume like that I’m listening ... even in the Big Sky
But don’t bring me the resume of somebody not dominating in a lower tier conference and try to sell me that that coach will dominate at Washington
Cause Legans? That shit would be apocalyptic for the program.
And I did... what McKay has done at Liberty is quite similar except with like 5 or so conference losses.
Liberty won their conference in 2019, 2020, 2021.
Liberty won their conference tournament in 2019, 2020, 2021.
They beat a 5 seed Miss St. in 2019 and who knows what they might have done in 2020 when they were 30-4.
There's a lot of people picking them to beat Ok St. in the 1st round this year.
They're also something like 5-8 against power conference opponents since he took over despite having far inferior talent on their roster. Underwood's SFA teams were 2-8 and the 2 wins came in the tournament.
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Big difference between McKay and Underwood is McKay worked his way up, had a P5 opportunity, and BOMBED
Good for him getting back on the horse and doing good work with Liberty.
McKay’s 55 and just isn’t moving the needle with a hire on a number of fronts.
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He's not joking.Tequilla said:Big difference between McKay and Underwood is McKay worked his way up, had a P5 opportunity, and BOMBED
Good for him getting back on the horse and doing good work with Liberty.
McKay’s 55 and just isn’t moving the needle with a hire on a number of fronts.
I saw the Legans/Cal reference as a joke
And Underwood is 57, was 53 when he took the job at Illinois.
I get that McKay struggled coaching at Oregon St. 20 years ago... but who doesn't? That school is shit for athletics. And the P12 was fucking tough in that era. Nobody has won consistently at that program since the 80's. And the guy he took the program over from was 52-88 in 4 seasons... doubt he left much talent around.
I like the fact that he was associate head coach for Bennett at Virginia... those 2 did some amazing things together. And it's clear he's turned over a new leaf as a head coach...
Short of bringing in Tommy Lloyd or Brian Michaelson, I'm not sure who you can look at with West Coast ties as a realistic choice that's going to turn the program around in the way we hope. My suggestion is purely off the fact that McKay has Washington ties, has shown to be an extremely successful head coach the last 3 years, and coached under an extremely successful coaching regime at Virginia.
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And if there was to be a move after firing Hop, some lower tier coaches I’d look at (no particular order):
Pat Kelsey - Winthrop
Wes Miller - UNC Greensboro
Matt Langel - Colgate
Craig Smith - Utah St
Porter Moser - Loyola Chicago (although I think he may jump to Creighton if McDermott has died fallout)
Dennis Gates - Cleveland St
Bryce Drew - Grand Canyon
That’s a decent list to start with ...
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Underwood went to Oklahoma St first before going to Illinois. Moreover, he had a ton of experience as a bench boss under Huggy Bear at Kansas St and Frank Martin at both K State and South CarolinaBroadcastingDawg said:
He's not joking.Tequilla said:Big difference between McKay and Underwood is McKay worked his way up, had a P5 opportunity, and BOMBED
Good for him getting back on the horse and doing good work with Liberty.
McKay’s 55 and just isn’t moving the needle with a hire on a number of fronts.
I saw the Legans/Cal reference as a joke
And Underwood is 57, was 53 when he took the job at Illinois.
I get that McKay struggled coaching at Oregon St. 20 years ago... but who doesn't? That school is shit for athletics. And the P12 was fucking tough in that era. Nobody has won consistently at that program since the 80's. And the guy he took the program over from was 52-88 in 4 seasons... doubt he left much talent around.
I like the fact that he was associate head coach for Bennett at Virginia... those 2 did some amazing things together. And it's clear he's turned over a new leaf as a head coach...
Short of bringing in Tommy Lloyd or Brian Michaelson, I'm not sure who you can look at with West Coast ties as a realistic choice that's going to turn the program around in the way we hope. My suggestion is purely off the fact that McKay has Washington ties, has shown to be an extremely successful head coach the last 3 years, and coached under an extremely successful coaching regime at Virginia.
Simply put on McKay, I’m not interested in going to the Bennett coaching tree. I’ve long not been a fan of that style of play and despise a slower paced game that limits possessions. That pace isn’t going to drive local recruiting.
Speaking of local recruiting, the idea that the next coach has to have local ties is garbage. The next coach has to be able to articulate a vision for how their teams play and be able to convince local kids that their skill sets will be maximized in the system to the extent that those players are capable (don’t get me started on the local market).
Simply put, we need a coach that is consistent with modern basketball, knows what he wants the identity of his team to be, and recruits to that.
There’s a significant opening on the west coast for a program to embrace more of an up-tempo and aggressive approach when it comes to offense. Be more like Gonzaga in free flowing offense than whatever UCLA is doing with Cronin playing relatively slow paced games (a joke at UCLA) -
Ok... lets be more like Gonzaga and hire one of their assistants.Tequilla said:
Underwood went to Oklahoma St first before going to Illinois. Moreover, he had a ton of experience as a bench boss under Huggy Bear at Kansas St and Frank Martin at both K State and South CarolinaBroadcastingDawg said:
He's not joking.Tequilla said:Big difference between McKay and Underwood is McKay worked his way up, had a P5 opportunity, and BOMBED
Good for him getting back on the horse and doing good work with Liberty.
McKay’s 55 and just isn’t moving the needle with a hire on a number of fronts.
I saw the Legans/Cal reference as a joke
And Underwood is 57, was 53 when he took the job at Illinois.
I get that McKay struggled coaching at Oregon St. 20 years ago... but who doesn't? That school is shit for athletics. And the P12 was fucking tough in that era. Nobody has won consistently at that program since the 80's. And the guy he took the program over from was 52-88 in 4 seasons... doubt he left much talent around.
I like the fact that he was associate head coach for Bennett at Virginia... those 2 did some amazing things together. And it's clear he's turned over a new leaf as a head coach...
Short of bringing in Tommy Lloyd or Brian Michaelson, I'm not sure who you can look at with West Coast ties as a realistic choice that's going to turn the program around in the way we hope. My suggestion is purely off the fact that McKay has Washington ties, has shown to be an extremely successful head coach the last 3 years, and coached under an extremely successful coaching regime at Virginia.
Simply put on McKay, I’m not interested in going to the Bennett coaching tree. I’ve long not been a fan of that style of play and despise a slower paced game that limits possessions. That pace isn’t going to drive local recruiting.
Speaking of local recruiting, the idea that the next coach has to have local ties is garbage. The next coach has to be able to articulate a vision for how their teams play and be able to convince local kids that their skill sets will be maximized in the system to the extent that those players are capable (don’t get me started on the local market).
Simply put, we need a coach that is consistent with modern basketball, knows what he wants the identity of his team to be, and recruits to that.
There’s a significant opening on the west coast for a program to embrace more of an up-tempo and aggressive approach when it comes to offense. Be more like Gonzaga in free flowing offense than whatever UCLA is doing with Cronin playing relatively slow paced games (a joke at UCLA)
You're not going to convince a lot of people that head coaches from New York and South Carolina by way of Ohio and Pennsylvania are the right choices after what's transpired w. Hop.
And those coaches you mentioned might be able to articulate a vision, but do you seriously think they would have convinced a Shane Nowell or Koren Johnson to stick around if Hop got fired? Not only do they not have ties in Washington, they've never sniffed the West Coast... You really see one of these coaches beating USC, UCLA, Gonzaga, Oregon and Arizona for recruits in a manner timely enough to turn this thing around that fans find acceptable?
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Why should I care about West Coast ties?
Let’s be clear that the most important thing is hiring a strong coach.
By putting a qualifier on the hire like that you’re artificially limiting your candidate pool.
Moreover, the claim of needing west coast ties doesn’t resonate when you look at all the national programs that come in and take local kids. We lost a local kid to Creighton for fucks sake. Don’t give me this we need local ties BS.
Additionally, one event doesn’t mean another event. Hop’s issues locally are tied to Hop and not because of where his ties came from.
My list focused on existing head coaches vs assistants that may have been first time coaches. If you have the pull and scratch to get Tommy Lloyd to leave Gonzaga then you obviously talk to him.
That whole West Coast tie thing ... please tell me the ties that Miller, Altman, Cronin, and Enfield had to the West Coast prior to taking their current jobs?
My requirements for a head coach is someone with existing head coach experience with a track record of success. A coach that has an identity for their program particularly on the offensive end that resonates with the current direction of basketball. Someone that can articulate that vision to both recruits, the local hoops scene, and supporters of the program.
My expectations for a coach is the first couple of years likely is a rebuild getting talent into the program cleaning up from Hop’s issues. I expect to be a NCAA team at minimum 3 out of every 5 years which roughly sets expectations for being a Top 4 program in the conference.
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I agree that it's moot... which is why all along I've been the one saying Hop's sticking around so get over it hahaTequilla said:Why should I care about West Coast ties?
Let’s be clear that the most important thing is hiring a strong coach.
By putting a qualifier on the hire like that you’re artificially limiting your candidate pool.
Moreover, the claim of needing west coast ties doesn’t resonate when you look at all the national programs that come in and take local kids. We lost a local kid to Creighton for fucks sake. Don’t give me this we need local ties BS.
Additionally, one event doesn’t mean another event. Hop’s issues locally are tied to Hop and not because of where his ties came from.
My list focused on existing head coaches vs assistants that may have been first time coaches. If you have the pull and scratch to get Tommy Lloyd to leave Gonzaga then you obviously talk to him.
That whole West Coast tie thing ... please tell me the ties that Miller, Altman, Cronin, and Enfield had to the West Coast prior to taking their current jobs?
My requirements for a head coach is someone with existing head coach experience with a track record of success. A coach that has an identity for their program particularly on the offensive end that resonates with the current direction of basketball. Someone that can articulate that vision to both recruits, the local hoops scene, and supporters of the program.
My expectations for a coach is the first couple of years likely is a rebuild getting talent into the program cleaning up from Hop’s issues. I expect to be a NCAA team at minimum 3 out of every 5 years which roughly sets expectations for being a Top 4 program in the conference.
All of this is moot anyway as Hoo’s not getting fired this year
We lost a kid to Creighton because Creighton is a nationally recognized program... they're a perennial tournament contender and top-25 team. Washington has never been that... nor has UW been a place where 6'0 white kids feel they can go huck up 30 3's a game like they can at Creighton... which is this kid's game.
There's a big difference between the programs Miller, Altman and Enfield took over.
Miller took over an Arizona program with tons and tons of history behind it... AZ is known as a basketball power house and recruits perceived it as such. Miller also coached 4 straight Xavier teams to NCAA tournament appearances and was a hot, well-known commodity in the coaching prospect circle... he wasn't a relative nobody.
Oregon is a recruiters dream because of the Nike money... given the amount of cash they're pumping out, it should be surprising when a coach fails at this school. Not to mention that Altman turned Creighton into a well-known, mid major power that made 6 NCAA tournament appearances and was also a hot commodity when he left.
Enfield was an assistant coach for 2x NBA teams... that's a pretty big selling point I'm sure when you're trying to convince 5-star recruits like the Mobley brothers to come play basketball for you... not to mention the cash I'm sure goes out to players and their families he brings in. Much like Arizona, USC does nefarious shit to get recruits to come there.
Washington is not like these programs.
And coaching at Colgate/Winthrop is not the same as coaching at Xavier/Creighton... nor have the coaches you mentioned accomplished nearly as much with their programs as Miller or Altman did.
I'm a little surprised that people here would be willing to give a new coach a 2-3 window to rebuild when they're ready to axe Hop now after a couple poor seasons, difference is Hop proved he's capable of leading a team to a tournament at UW... -
I’m not advocating per se to go the direction of a smaller tier conference as the next coach
What I was referencing with those names is that when people are talking about getting a Big Sky coach, if I’m going that route I’m looking for someone with a track record of relatively sustained success. The idea being if you can’t regularly dominate at a lower tier what makes me think you can at an upper tier. The names I gave would be people that if I was an AD I’d be poking around to get a better understanding of as potential candidates either now or in the future.
You basically answered my point with regard to Creighton. They know who they are and what their identity is.
What would you say UW’s identity is as a program? Have they ever had an identity?
Closest they’ve ever had in the last 30 years was LoRo and recruiting locally. But when it came to an identity of who they are offensively, defensively, etc not really sure that has existed. Hop at least brought a defensive identity ... outdated but at least an identity. -
Why would anybody want to transfer to Hop? Basketball is the one sport where you do not need to go to a big conference to succeed in the draft. If we are being honest, Santa Clara and UC Irvine are just as good of destinations.
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Odd question considering 3 players, 2 of them former top-100 recruits, transferred into Hop last year.greenblood said:Why would anybody want to transfer to Hop? Basketball is the one sport where you do not need to go to a big conference to succeed in the draft. If we are being honest, Santa Clara and UC Irvine are just as good of destinations.
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Super naive commentgreenblood said:Why would anybody want to transfer to Hop? Basketball is the one sport where you do not need to go to a big conference to succeed in the draft. If we are being honest, Santa Clara and UC Irvine are just as good of destinations.
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I agree, UW has probably never had an identity as a program...Tequilla said:I’m not advocating per se to go the direction of a smaller tier conference as the next coach
What I was referencing with those names is that when people are talking about getting a Big Sky coach, if I’m going that route I’m looking for someone with a track record of relatively sustained success. The idea being if you can’t regularly dominate at a lower tier what makes me think you can at an upper tier. The names I gave would be people that if I was an AD I’d be poking around to get a better understanding of as potential candidates either now or in the future.
You basically answered my point with regard to Creighton. They know who they are and what their identity is.
What would you say UW’s identity is as a program? Have they ever had an identity?
Closest they’ve ever had in the last 30 years was LoRo and recruiting locally. But when it came to an identity of who they are offensively, defensively, etc not really sure that has existed. Hop at least brought a defensive identity ... outdated but at least an identity.
If Hop doesn't turn it around, lets hire one of the Gonzaga coaches and call it a day.
I'm not too proud to say that a tiny school in Spokane could teach our relative failure of a basketball program a thing or 2. -
Fucking Christ. I stopped reading after your suggestion that UW can’t expect to compete with Oregon/Arizona/USC and Creighton? Give me a fucking break. We have before, all it takes is a good coach.
Get this loser bullshit out of here. I can’t believe anyone is still defending Hop. Did you watch any of the games the past two years? It’s unfathomably bad, especially on offense.
