The hard truth about batteries.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/who-will-tell-the-greens-there-is-no-battery-fairy.php
WHO WILL TELL THE GREENS THERE IS NO BATTERY FAIRY?
For the longest while I have been asking, “Where do environmentalists and Democrats think all these batteries for our oil-free transportation fleet are going to come from?” It seems they think there is a Battery Fairy out there somewhere who will magically supply the ginormous battery capacity, and additional supply of electricity to charge them, in order to deliver us to our blessed fossil-fuel-free future.
So kudos to Wired magazine on “The Spiraling Environmental Cost of our Lithium Battery Addiction,” which reminds us that there are, you know, tradeoffs between various kinds of energy systems we might use:
Demand for lithium is increasing exponentially, and it doubled in price between 2016 and 2018. According to consultancy Cairn Energy Research Advisors, the lithium ion industry is expected to grow from 100 gigawatt hours (GWh) of annual production in 2017, to almost 800 GWhs in 2027. . .
But there’s a problem. As the world scrambles to replace fossil fuels with clean energy, the environmental impact of finding all the lithium required to enable that transformation could become a serious issue in its own right. “One of the biggest environmental problems caused by our endless hunger for the latest and smartest devices is a growing mineral crisis, particularly those needed to make our batteries,” says Christina Valimaki an analyst at Elsevier. . .
It’s a relatively cheap and effective process, but it uses a lot of water – approximately 500,000 gallons per tonne of lithium. In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, mining activities consumed 65 per cent of the region’s water. That is having a big impact on local farmers – who grow quinoa and herd llamas – in an area where some communities already have to get water driven in from elsewhere. . .
Two other key ingredients, cobalt and nickel, are more in danger of creating a bottleneck in the move towards electric vehicles, and at a potentially huge environmental cost. Cobalt is found in huge quantities right across the Democratic Republic of Congo and central Africa, and hardly anywhere else. The price has quadrupled in the last two years.
There’s lots more in the whole article, including the problem of disposal or recycling of used batteries.
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I've been trying to make this point with my greener friends and family for the last couple years, but they are so fucking programmed and brainwashed into out-of-sight, out-of-mind consumerism and TDS, their brains are impenetrable.
It's really become a Two Legs Bad, Four Legs Good situation.
"mining activities consumed 65 per cent of the region’s water. That is having a big impact on local farmers – who grow quinoa and herd llamas – in an area where some communities already have to get water driven in from elsewhere. . ."
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The best battery is a hydro dam. Simple fact. Also best solar power vector.
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Economy of scale, manufacturing and transport, and disposal of waste don't factor into unicorn thinking
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Unless it’s nuclear. That, you know, actually works.RaceBannon said:Economy of scale, manufacturing and transport, and disposal of waste don't factor into unicorn thinking
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Imagine a reliable energy source that provides power 24/7 with no CO2 emissions. Works at night and when the wind doesn't blow. Almost like magic.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Unless it’s nuclear. That, you know, actually works.RaceBannon said:Economy of scale, manufacturing and transport, and disposal of waste don't factor into unicorn thinking
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But it's so scary. And comes with no trigger warnings.WestlinnDuck said:
Imagine a reliable energy source that provides power 24/7 with no CO2 emissions. Works at night and when the wind doesn't blow. Almost like magic.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Unless it’s nuclear. That, you know, actually works.RaceBannon said:Economy of scale, manufacturing and transport, and disposal of waste don't factor into unicorn thinking
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but a couple of fish diedGrundleStiltzkin said:The best battery is a hydro dam. Simple fact. Also best solar power vector.
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“Climate change isn’t real”
“Well ok of course the climate is changing but it’s not man made”
“Well ok it’s real but the effects won’t be that bad”
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Ironic
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It's almost like the KobeSlobberer doesn't understand basic science. True believers would support nukes and fracking and exporting LNG to the chicoms as actual energy solutions that reduced CO2 emissions. But that doesn't punish America for its sins. So, plan B requires suffering.RaceBannon said:Ironic
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The leftists are crabs pulling the innovators back into their boiling water.WestlinnDuck said:
It's almost like the KobeSlobberer doesn't understand basic science. True believers would support nukes and fracking and exporting LNG to the chicoms as actual energy solutions that reduced CO2 emissions. But that doesn't punish America for its sins. So, plan B requires suffering.RaceBannon said:Ironic
God forbid there could be true abundance - where the energy needs to the ChiComs could be supplied while reducing C02 emissions in the timeframe it takes for the smarty US engineers to figure out alternative sources at a reasonable price.
BTW, lithium is already becoming outdated battery storage technology. Hydrogen will be the next gen.
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World wheat production up 10% in the last 10 years. I was told 10 years ago that global warming was going to leave the world as a food desert. Interesting that CO2 is a food source for plants. Go figure.
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I nominate chinese surnames for all the tards in the tug.
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I bet you love Kerry's planeTheKobeStopper said:“Climate change isn’t real”
“Well ok of course the climate is changing but it’s not man made”
“Well ok it’s real but the effects won’t be that bad”
The is some insight into why no one gives a fuck what you have to say. You’re welcome. -
Thoughts on nuclear?TheKobeStopper said:“Climate change isn’t real”
“Well ok of course the climate is changing but it’s not man made”
“Well ok it’s real but the effects won’t be that bad”
The is some insight into why no one gives a fuck what you have to say. You’re welcome. -
Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
Dunning-Krueger Effect, ftw. -
We're smarter than you and you don't get itMelloDawg said:Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
Dunning-Krueger Effect, ftw.
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Like John Kerry? When one you green gaia religionist leftards want to tell me how much we should spend and what it will accomplish - they you can run your mouths.MelloDawg said:Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
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I actually do.MelloDawg said:Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
Dunning-Krueger Effect, ftw.
So, like we say, fuck off.
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Strawman ass fucking and Biden dick sucking appears to be all you're capable of Kobe. I don't know anyone who thinks the climate doesn't change.TheKobeStopper said:“Climate change isn’t real”
“Well ok of course the climate is changing but it’s not man made”
“Well ok it’s real but the effects won’t be that bad”
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Now this is rich coming from the crowd that swooned over the emoting of a 13 year old girl on the topic.MelloDawg said:Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
Dunning-Krueger Effect, ftw.
The left's climate expert.
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Trust the expertsMelloDawg said:Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
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They’re always right.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Trust the expertsMelloDawg said:Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
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2 weeks to fix the climate. 4 topsGrundleStiltzkin said:
Trust the expertsMelloDawg said:Still love these threads. Imagine claiming to understand this issue with no training or education in it.
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What are you? 12? We have been hearing about the worlds death for 50 years. I was told to write students on the equator when I was in grade school because we were going to have to live with them when the great freeze killed America. 25 years ago there was supposed to be a great famine because the world was going to run out of fresh water. I was supposed to be underwater here on the GA coast 20 years ago you fucking idiot.TheKobeStopper said:“Climate change isn’t real”
“Well ok of course the climate is changing but it’s not man made”
“Well ok it’s real but the effects won’t be that bad”
The is some insight into why no one gives a fuck what you have to say. You’re welcome.
You are nothing but a goose stepping follower, one who doesn't think for himself. How many more years do we have to live before one prognostication is accurate and true? 20 years ago Al Gore, the son of a segregationist Jim Crow advocate told us all parts of the world would be dying due to lack of fresh water.
Goose step on you idiot. I have grown tired of FEELINGS based rats who are constantly wrong. -
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Thoughts on limiting human mobility?Bob_C said:
Thoughts on nuclear?TheKobeStopper said:“Climate change isn’t real”
“Well ok of course the climate is changing but it’s not man made”
“Well ok it’s real but the effects won’t be that bad”
The is some insight into why no one gives a fuck what you have to say. You’re welcome. -
Not for itdoogie said:
Thoughts on limiting human mobility?Bob_C said:
Thoughts on nuclear?TheKobeStopper said:“Climate change isn’t real”
“Well ok of course the climate is changing but it’s not man made”
“Well ok it’s real but the effects won’t be that bad”
The is some insight into why no one gives a fuck what you have to say. You’re welcome. -
Suck it @RaceBannon and @Pitchfork51GrundleStiltzkin said:The best battery is a hydro dam. Simple fact. Also best solar power vector.
