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One Wind Turbine Takes 900 Tons of Steel , 2500 Tons Of Concrete , 45 Tons of Plastic!
AUGUST 9, 2019 / BRIANPECKFORD
From WSJ
If You Want ‘Renewable Energy,’ Get Ready to Dig
By Mark P. Mills
Aug. 5, 2019 6:48 pm ET
Democrats dream of powering society entirely with wind and solar farms combined with massive batteries. Realizing this dream would require the biggest expansion in mining the world has seen and would produce huge quantities of waste.
“Renewable energy” is a misnomer. Wind and solar machines and batteries are built from nonrenewable materials. And they wear out. Old equipment must be decommissioned, generating millions of tons of waste.
The International Renewable Energy Agency calculates that solar goals for 2050 consistent with the Paris Accords will result in old-panel disposal constituting more than double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste.
Consider some other sobering numbers:
A single electric-car battery weighs about 1,000 pounds. Fabricating one requires digging up, moving and processing more than 500,000 pounds of raw materials somewhere on the planet. The alternative? Use gasoline and extract one-tenth as much total tonnage to deliver the same number of vehicle-miles over the battery’s seven-year life.
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Posted this before but my HS sophomore daughter is seriously considering going to trade school to be a welder or electrician instead of college and then take some business classes at CC. We? are encouraging it because there are so few woman-owner companies in those trades.RaceBannon said:
Under reported issuerustysavage said:
They're also extremely naive. How's that gonna even get pulled off from a logistical point of view?? They've been adding a lane to I-205 for the past 10 years and still aren't even close to done. But we're gonna somehow demo and rebuild god knows how many buildings AND transition our entire fleet of vehicles from combustion? To call it unrealistic isn't enough, it's extreme delusions at minimum.creepycoug said:
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said:
By the way who's gonna do all this work? Not the guys who are capable and willing since most are retired or will be in the next few years. Not the 25-45 age range, there's a huge lack of numbers in that demographic due to the tech industry exploding during our youth. Then u got the new wave which has zero interest in any sort of physical work. My company literally recruits from high schools like the military. Start at $20/hr and after two weeks $22. Make it thru the first summer $25-26 with full benefits, even if ur lazy or can't learn, as long as u show up u can have that at age 18-19. We got 2 (one is a worthless piece of shit) to stick last year out of ~ 30. Got 0 this summer after our last hope quit cus the forest fire smoke was "hurting his eyes", and no he didn't come back the following week when it was gone. I shit u not, he decided to move to Bend to work at Dutch Bros with his gf.
It's similar for every trade right now and is gonna get worse in a hurry.
The tech boom and the worthless degree syndrome
An actual skill in the trades is a license to print money today and the path to your own business. Needs to be shouted from the mountain tops -
Biden’s plans are terrible because he doesn’t believe in them, he just keeps getting told over and over by millennials with analytics dashboards what his platform has to be to win.CuntWaffle said:Biden’s “plan” to eliminate fossil fuels sounds like something a kindergartner would come up with in colored crayons nexts to a drawn picture of a unicorn.
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Wind and solar can't do it. We are covering large areas with solar panels that get really hot. Global warming? Kali has solar panels galore, solar plants etc. and blackouts, rolling blackouts, brownouts and not enough fucking electricity.
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I believe the technical term is “target rich environment”.RoadTrip said:rustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
Fuck, when the civil war hits you'll have tons of funrustysavage said:
Voting for Trump in my county is like yelling in the wind basically. Hillary beat Don by 210k votes last time around. It's quite possibly going to be an even bigger margin this time.Pitchfork51 said:Undecided on candidate yeah. But many that are on the fence about voting at all
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BIGLY. Uncle Race and I have had long philosophical talks on this. My Dad (RIP), who was a licensed Master Electrician (IBEW the works) for 50 years saw all this developing 20 years ago and the pay scales going up as the pool of certified and qualified applicants went down. He said "Son, one day in the not too distant future electricians are going to get lawyer pay, while lawyers get electrician pay." Smart man my Dad. We've got a billion ambulance chasers at 40 and below. We have a handful of Master Electricians. You do the math.RaceBannon said:
Under reported issuerustysavage said:
They're also extremely naive. How's that gonna even get pulled off from a logistical point of view?? They've been adding a lane to I-205 for the past 10 years and still aren't even close to done. But we're gonna somehow demo and rebuild god knows how many buildings AND transition our entire fleet of vehicles from combustion? To call it unrealistic isn't enough, it's extreme delusions at minimum.creepycoug said:
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said:
By the way who's gonna do all this work? Not the guys who are capable and willing since most are retired or will be in the next few years. Not the 25-45 age range, there's a huge lack of numbers in that demographic due to the tech industry exploding during our youth. Then u got the new wave which has zero interest in any sort of physical work. My company literally recruits from high schools like the military. Start at $20/hr and after two weeks $22. Make it thru the first summer $25-26 with full benefits, even if ur lazy or can't learn, as long as u show up u can have that at age 18-19. We got 2 (one is a worthless piece of shit) to stick last year out of ~ 30. Got 0 this summer after our last hope quit cus the forest fire smoke was "hurting his eyes", and no he didn't come back the following week when it was gone. I shit u not, he decided to move to Bend to work at Dutch Bros with his gf.
It's similar for every trade right now and is gonna get worse in a hurry.
The tech boom and the worthless degree syndrome
An actual skill in the trades is a license to print money today and the path to your own business. Needs to be shouted from the mountain tops
Before I retired from the Navy nuclear grade welders in the shipyards were making 200K a year because there aren't any of them and nobody even joins up in apprenticeship programs anymore. Way cooler to be a barista at Starbucks with your Che shirt on making 12 bucks an hour instead of getting dirty, spending years gaining serious skills, and making big money in the skilled labor trades for your troubles. Millennials are such faggots. -
One of my kids completed a 2 year program in the trades. He's making bank. Not massive bank yet - he's only a year or so into his career - but enough that he bought a new vehicle, can afford to pay for his food and housing and a moderate amount left over for some recreational intoxicants and the occasional hooker.Swaye said:
BIGLY. Uncle Race and I have had long philosophical talks on this. My Dad (RIP), who was a licensed Master Electrician (IBEW the works) for 50 years saw all this developing 20 years ago and the pay scales going up as the pool of certified and qualified applicants went down. He said "Son, one day in the not too distant future electricians are going to get lawyer pay, while lawyers get electrician pay." Smart man my Dad. We've got a billion ambulance chasers at 40 and below. We have a handful of Master Electricians. You do the math.RaceBannon said:
Under reported issuerustysavage said:
They're also extremely naive. How's that gonna even get pulled off from a logistical point of view?? They've been adding a lane to I-205 for the past 10 years and still aren't even close to done. But we're gonna somehow demo and rebuild god knows how many buildings AND transition our entire fleet of vehicles from combustion? To call it unrealistic isn't enough, it's extreme delusions at minimum.creepycoug said:
Anyone who is on board with net neutral emissions by 2025, or 35, or my lifetim, and is willing to live under the yoke of TGND, should be idenfied by senior management and fired from any self-respecting energy company forthwith.HoustonHusky said:
Disagree. Know plenty. Self-hatred is not a good quality in folks...UW_Doog_Bot said:
No one in "energy" is voting for Biden. Hth.Sledog said:
By the way who's gonna do all this work? Not the guys who are capable and willing since most are retired or will be in the next few years. Not the 25-45 age range, there's a huge lack of numbers in that demographic due to the tech industry exploding during our youth. Then u got the new wave which has zero interest in any sort of physical work. My company literally recruits from high schools like the military. Start at $20/hr and after two weeks $22. Make it thru the first summer $25-26 with full benefits, even if ur lazy or can't learn, as long as u show up u can have that at age 18-19. We got 2 (one is a worthless piece of shit) to stick last year out of ~ 30. Got 0 this summer after our last hope quit cus the forest fire smoke was "hurting his eyes", and no he didn't come back the following week when it was gone. I shit u not, he decided to move to Bend to work at Dutch Bros with his gf.
It's similar for every trade right now and is gonna get worse in a hurry.
The tech boom and the worthless degree syndrome
An actual skill in the trades is a license to print money today and the path to your own business. Needs to be shouted from the mountain tops
Before I retired from the Navy nuclear grade welders in the shipyards were making 200K a year because there aren't any of them and nobody even joins up in apprenticeship programs anymore. Way cooler to be a barista at Starbucks with your Che shirt on making 12 bucks an hour instead of getting dirty, spending years gaining serious skills, and making big money in the skilled labor trades for your troubles. Millennials are such faggots.
He'll be making almost double than his siblings within five years. Maybe more.
But but sociology and English Lit and history/poli-sci.
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I honestly think he literally doesn't "know" anything he wasn't specifically prepped for, and even that has to stay 100% on track or he gets lost.RaceBannon said:Biden seemed to think it was malarkey that wind kills birds and then mocked Trump for claiming wind causes cancer
Trump pointed out the toxic waste and greenhouse gas to manufacture and ship wind turbines. That kill birds bigly
Biden is his voters - dumb as a fucking rock on energy
It reminds me ... story tim with Creepy. I had a one year gig after school with the WSC, so state employee. When I left, I already had my fist kid and was inquiring about COBRA, because the law firm insurance wasn't so great, or so I thought. Sos I call the state whatever office, and it turns out they assign you to a particular state employee based on your last name. So I get to the right woman after about a week or two of leaving messages. I'm telling you this with not one scintilla of hyperbole: she could not answer a single question, or explain a single thing, about COBRA - and she's in Benefits - if it veered off of some form or application from which she was clearly reading. She had ZERO native understanding of it. I was, what, late 20s, didn't know shit about real life shit like health insurance, and in 5 minutes of talking to her found myself explaining things to her based on the little bit I did know and, you know, reasoning.
That is Biden. He gets prepped for a question. If the moderator or Trump take him off "the form" on that topic, he is completely fucked.
And this guy is going to handle shit in the Middle East the next time shit gets real? Lolz. -
He's not doing anything if elected aside from enjoying a pudding.creepycoug said:
I honestly think he literally doesn't "know" anything he wasn't specifically prepped for, and even that has to stay 100% on track or he gets lost.RaceBannon said:Biden seemed to think it was malarkey that wind kills birds and then mocked Trump for claiming wind causes cancer
Trump pointed out the toxic waste and greenhouse gas to manufacture and ship wind turbines. That kill birds bigly
Biden is his voters - dumb as a fucking rock on energy
It reminds me ... story tim with Creepy. I had a one year gig after school with the WSC, so state employee. When I left, I already had my fist kid and was inquiring about COBRA, because the law firm insurance wasn't so great, or so I thought. Sos I call the state whatever office, and it turns out they assign you to a particular state employee based on your last name. So I get to the right woman after about a week or two of leaving messages. I'm telling you this with not one scintilla of hyperbole: she could not answer a single question, or explain a single thing, about COBRA - and she's in Benefits - if it veered off of some form or application from which she was clearly reading. She had ZERO native understanding of it. I was, what, late 20s, didn't know shit about real life shit like health insurance, and in 5 minutes of talking to her found myself explaining things to her based on the little bit I did know and, you know, reasoning.
That is Biden. He gets prepped for a question. If the moderator or Trump take him off "the form" on that topic, he is completely fucked.
And this guy is going to handle shit in the Middle East the next time shit gets real? Lolz.
