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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,032 Standard Supporter
    Problem is that its like telling people to just stock up on toilet paper last April. There is only so much of it and its all sold out and they can only make so much of it. Generally, a combined cycle natural gas power plant can produce electricity at say $30 a megawatt hour. Right now the spot price for a megawatt hour of electricity in California in some places right now is above $120 an hour. To protect against running out of electricity you need to have excess production capacity, usually natural gas based. Cal regulates the utilities ability to have that excess capacity because it's expensive if you only need it for on rare occasions. There isn't anything big government can't do.

    http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/Prices.aspx
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    SFGbob said:

    doogie said:

    Why not just buy power on the open market at market price?

    California has a big — and growing — glut of power, an investigation by the Los Angeles Times has found. The state’s power plants are on track to be able to produce at least 21% more electricity than it needs by 2020, based on official estimates. And that doesn’t even count the soaring production of electricity by rooftop solar panels that has added to the surplus.

    https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-capacity/

    The problems come when you have a heatwave like we're experiencing now and the sun goes down. No electrical generation from solar panels at night, and the other states aren't willing to sell you their surplus because they are all experiencing increased load demands from their customers. The state should have kept enough NG powered electrical generating power stations around but they dismantled them on account of the Green Energy requirements mandated by the state government.
    Sounds like you aren’t paying enough. Up the offer or sit and sweat.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,944
    doogie said:

    SFGbob said:

    doogie said:

    Why not just buy power on the open market at market price?

    California has a big — and growing — glut of power, an investigation by the Los Angeles Times has found. The state’s power plants are on track to be able to produce at least 21% more electricity than it needs by 2020, based on official estimates. And that doesn’t even count the soaring production of electricity by rooftop solar panels that has added to the surplus.

    https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-capacity/

    The problems come when you have a heatwave like we're experiencing now and the sun goes down. No electrical generation from solar panels at night, and the other states aren't willing to sell you their surplus because they are all experiencing increased load demands from their customers. The state should have kept enough NG powered electrical generating power stations around but they dismantled them on account of the Green Energy requirements mandated by the state government.
    Sounds like you aren’t paying enough. Up the offer or sit and sweat.
    I'm paying plenty. And thankfully, I don't need A/C
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    The states with the stash, obviously disagree California is paying enough
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited August 2020
    doogie said:

    Why not just buy power on the open market at market price?

    California has a big — and growing — glut of power, an investigation by the Los Angeles Times has found. The state’s power plants are on track to be able to produce at least 21% more electricity than it needs by 2020, based on official estimates. And that doesn’t even count the soaring production of electricity by rooftop solar panels that has added to the surplus.

    https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-capacity/

    Not even the LA times in 2017 could predict just how much having Democrats control everything would fuck up the state. Those rooftop solar panels really helped a lot.

    Thank gawd for the many Columbia and Willamette dams or Kate Brown and the Rat super-majority would have Oregon in rolling blackouts by now, too. Of course they want to eliminate some of the dams because seals or sea lions are eating salmon or something.

    Can’t let us average people have a permanent source of relatively inexpensive electric generation.
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